Poll of the Day > Convicted terrorist honored at Puerto Rico Day parade

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Zeus
06/19/17 3:03:24 AM
#1:


Shamelessly stole the topic from CE, compete with quote:

The Admiral posted...
https://nypost.com/2017/06/11/victims-watch-in-outrage-as-city-honors-convicted-terrorist/

Local victims of bombings by the terror group FALN watched in disgust Sunday as one of the murderous organization’s former leaders led Manhattan’s Puerto Rican Day Parade — riding out in front as the guest of honor with his fist thrust defiantly in the air.

“It’s repulsive, I’m sick to my stomach,” said retired NYPD Detective Tony Senft, 70, who lost an eye while diffusing one of the group’s bombs at a Manhattan courthouse in 1982.

“I don’t understand how anyone can march with a known terrorist … I’m Italian, but [late Mafia don] John Gotti doesn’t represent me,” he said. “I wouldn’t march down the street with him.”

Convicted FALN leader Oscar Lopez Rivera, who spent 35 years behind bars for his ties to the group, had declined the parade’s “National Freedom Award” amidst widespread backlash and sponsor boycotts. But he was still front and center at the procession, palling it up with City Council speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito, one of his biggest fans.

“I’m not surprised. I think Mark-Viverito is a radical person, and she’s not going to stop until she gets to honor left-wing terrorists,” said Thomas Connor, 53, who was 11 when he lost his dad, Frank, in a 1975 FALN attack on lower Manhattan’s landmark Fraunces Tavern.

Mayor de Blasio, who said he would not march if Lopez Rivera was honored, still marched Sunday. He gave the FALN leader a wide berth — but not wide enough for Senft.

“De Blasio is prostituting himself for votes. He’s doing whatever he has to do to not let the Puerto Rican people to get mad at him,” he said.

“If Mr. de Blasio’s family members were victims of terrorism, he wouldn’t be feeling this way.”


Disgusting.

And I'm glad to see scumbag De Blasio getting called out for his racial pandering.


Once again reinforcing my feeling on parades.
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spooky96
06/19/17 4:06:36 AM
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thanks for letting potd know about this
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Muscles
06/19/17 4:42:37 AM
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What is FALN?
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06/19/17 4:48:18 AM
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Muscles posted...
What is FALN?


Spanish dessert made with custard and caramel
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Zeus
06/19/17 10:43:55 PM
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Muscles posted...
What is FALN?


I can't help but think Google could have fielded this one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuerzas_Armadas_de_Liberaci%C3%B3n_Nacional_Puertorrique%C3%B1a

https://www.britannica.com/topic/FALN
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streamofthesky
06/19/17 11:27:17 PM
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De Blasio seemed, like any nationally prominent politician, like he had long term goals of a higher office, whether it be governor, senator, or so on. If he had any such goals, then he just royally shot himself in the foot just to stay in the good graces of his local Puerto Rican community's voters.

*shrug* I'm just saying, either he planned to retire as a politician after being mayor of NYC, or he's incredibly fucking stupid...and will now have to retire from being a politician after being mayor of NYC.
I don't get why....why would he choose to march after all? What a stupid, trivial thing to throw away your career over.
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DeathMagnetic80
06/20/17 2:11:50 AM
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Conservatives need to get their shit together, this guy is a terrorist and getting any honor is repulsive, but literally do the same thing and start a civil war here, and you get schools named after you and statues honoring your leaders as a matter of "Southern Pride"
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jedirood
06/20/17 2:18:56 AM
#8:


Full Throttle makes news clickbaity but fun.

WastelandCowboy makes it informative.

You use it to push your personal thoughts and feelings onto us, even knowing everyone hates you.
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streamofthesky
06/20/17 2:19:31 AM
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DeathMagnetic80 posted...
Conservatives need to get their shit together, this guy is a terrorist and getting any honor is repulsive, but literally do the same thing and start a civil war here, and you get schools named after you and statues honoring your leaders as a matter of "Southern Pride"

Yeah, that's pretty repulsive, too. Don't know how they can get away w/ honoring literal traitors.
Read a historical timeline a few weeks ago, too, where it went into detail about how the use of the Confederate battle flag was pretty much nonexistent after the war and only started up again widespread during the civil rights era of the 50's and 60's, to "fight back" against it. It's all pretty sickening.
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Melon_Master
06/20/17 2:22:02 AM
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jedirood posted...
Full Throttle makes news clickbaity but fun.

WastelandCowboy makes it informative.

You use it to push your personal thoughts and feelings onto us, even knowing everyone hates you.

A little like listening to your racist grandpa explain his world views; sans the old timey racial slurs lol.
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PurpIePerson
06/20/17 2:22:03 AM
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man of course you'd agree with the admiral
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jedirood
06/20/17 2:24:21 AM
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Melon_Master posted...
jedirood posted...
Full Throttle makes news clickbaity but fun.

WastelandCowboy makes it informative.

You use it to push your personal thoughts and feelings onto us, even knowing everyone hates you.

A little like listening to your racist grandpa explain his world views; sans the old timey racial slurs lol.


XD Pretty much, lol. I'd be willing to bet that most of the positive votes in the "Do you like Zeus topic" were fake
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TheCyborgNinja
06/20/17 2:35:08 AM
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That's like how in Canada, how Louis "piece of shit" Riel (terrorist) is being retconned into acceptability by SJWs rewriting history.
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Zeus
06/22/17 2:32:08 AM
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DeathMagnetic80 posted...
Conservatives need to get their shit together, this guy is a terrorist and getting any honor is repulsive, but literally do the same thing and start a civil war here, and you get schools named after you and statues honoring your leaders as a matter of "Southern Pride"


Except for the fact that those civil war leaders were also governors, Mexican-American war heroes, etc, and they represented a majority rather than a fringe movement that wasn't even supported by Puerto Rico itself. Nor are any of the issues involved comparable.

streamofthesky posted...
DeathMagnetic80 posted...
Conservatives need to get their shit together, this guy is a terrorist and getting any honor is repulsive, but literally do the same thing and start a civil war here, and you get schools named after you and statues honoring your leaders as a matter of "Southern Pride"

Yeah, that's pretty repulsive, too. Don't know how they can get away w/ honoring literal traitors.
Read a historical timeline a few weeks ago, too, where it went into detail about how the use of the Confederate battle flag was pretty much nonexistent after the war and only started up again widespread during the civil rights era of the 50's and 60's, to "fight back" against it. It's all pretty sickening.


This dude hates the Dukes.

PurpIePerson posted...
man of course you'd agree with the admiral


Anybody with a brain would agree on this particular issue.
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DevilSummoner1
06/22/17 2:35:08 AM
#15:


Melon_Master posted...
jedirood posted...
Full Throttle makes news clickbaity but fun.

WastelandCowboy makes it informative.

You use it to push your personal thoughts and feelings onto us, even knowing everyone hates you.

A little like listening to your racist grandpa explain his world views; sans the old timey racial slurs lol.


lol
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Zeus
06/22/17 2:37:34 AM
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DevilSummoner1 posted...
Melon_Master posted...
jedirood posted...
Full Throttle makes news clickbaity but fun.

WastelandCowboy makes it informative.

You use it to push your personal thoughts and feelings onto us, even knowing everyone hates you.

A little like listening to your racist grandpa explain his world views; sans the old timey racial slurs lol.


lol


You don't need to quote pro-terrorist shitheel trolls.
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DevilSummoner1
06/22/17 2:42:11 AM
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melon is a troll?

why didn't I get the memo?
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Zeus
06/22/17 2:47:39 AM
#18:


Everybody got the memo. It had a whole topic. But in general when somebody is supporting terrorists, that means they're either trolling or... or, well, that you REALLY hope that they're just trolling.
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jedirood
06/22/17 8:24:00 AM
#19:


Oh yeah, we definitely support terrorists, despite me saying nothing to support that. Yep. You got me /sarcasm

You aren't even trying at this point.
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KevinceKostner
06/22/17 10:43:50 AM
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First they call you terrorist sympathizers then they start calling you a terrorist.
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Melon_Master
06/22/17 3:27:04 PM
#21:


DevilSummoner1 posted...
melon is a troll?

why didn't I get the memo?

Zues didn't like being told the truth.
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Funkdamental
06/22/17 3:54:01 PM
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We've seen plenty of former terrorists of left and right reinventing their image by putting on business suits and ties and turning themselves into statesmen (or statesmen-in-waiting) while the families of their victims have to watch. That's politics, I'm afraid. It's not an unfamiliar experience in countries where violent internal conflicts have been resolved -- or at least the cracks papered over -- by political settlements.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
06/22/17 3:59:09 PM
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Zeus callin posters terrorists? Fam that's how ya got suspended last week.
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OhhhJa
06/22/17 4:23:30 PM
#24:


jedirood posted...
Full Throttle makes news clickbaity but fun.

jedirood posted...
You use it to push your personal thoughts and feelings onto us

Lol full throttle definitely pushes his thoughts and feelings onto us
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OhhhJa
06/22/17 4:24:31 PM
#25:


DevilSummoner1 posted...
melon is a troll?

why didn't I get the memo?

I mean... he pretty much only posts to harass people
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Unfernal_Server
06/22/17 4:49:43 PM
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The U.S. government tortured Oscar Lopez Rivera. His story has nuance to it if you're interested in learning about colonialism in Puerto Rico...
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Zeus
06/22/17 6:14:11 PM
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Unfernal_Server posted...
The U.S. government tortured Oscar Lopez Rivera. His story has nuance to it if you're interested in learning about colonialism in Puerto Rico...


His victims' stories had a lot of nuance as well... or would have if they hadn't died (and his surviving victims' lives have a lot more "nuance" for the suffering inflicted at the hands of his organization). As for Oscar's nuance, the biggest thing you need to know is that Bill Clinton offered him clemency if he renounced violence. Oscar did not. Oscar's decision, by the way, was renounced by the leaders in Puerto Rico as well.

Even if you could argue that his cause was somehow just, his methods were anything but. Equally important is that he didn't even enjoy the support of his own nation. The IRA had broader support than the FALN and the IRA was inexcusably wrong.
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Unfernal_Server
06/23/17 1:13:07 AM
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Zeus posted...
His victims' stories had a lot of nuance as well... or would have if they hadn't died


Care to elaborate on his victims? Victims that Rivera is directly tied to?

Again, you're missing the nuance on the clemency. Do you think Clinton would have denounced violence to enforce colonial rule on Puerto Rice? Of course not. State violence is necessary to maintain a colony.
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jedirood
06/23/17 1:22:51 AM
#29:


OhhhJa posted...
jedirood posted...
Full Throttle makes news clickbaity but fun.

jedirood posted...
You use it to push your personal thoughts and feelings onto us

Lol full throttle definitely pushes his thoughts and feelings onto us


I never said he didn't. His topics are shit but at least in a fun way
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Zeus
06/23/17 11:53:57 PM
#30:


Unfernal_Server posted...
Zeus posted...
His victims' stories had a lot of nuance as well... or would have if they hadn't died


Care to elaborate on his victims? Victims that Rivera is directly tied to?

Again, you're missing the nuance on the clemency. Do you think Clinton would have denounced violence to enforce colonial rule on Puerto Rice? Of course not. State violence is necessary to maintain a colony.


Which is a zany claim on multiple counts, not the least of which is that rather than seeking independence Puerto Rico has wanted statehood. But sure, keep going with your imperialism argument.
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Tropic_Sunset
06/23/17 11:58:39 PM
#31:


You know, I don't like Zeus, but I don't hate him either. I could definitely make a list of people worse than him by reading his topics and finding the people shitting on him for being him.

When you agree with Erik_P, you have no ground to stand on. That's like agreeing with ICOYAR.
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jedirood
06/24/17 12:01:15 AM
#32:


Tropic_Sunset posted...
You know, I don't like Zeus, but I don't hate him either. I could definitely make a list of people worse than him by reading his topics and finding the people shitting on him for being him.

When you agree with Erik_P, you have no ground to stand on. That's like agreeing with ICOYAR.


Erik_P hasn't made bullshit lies about me.
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Tropic_Sunset
06/24/17 12:10:48 AM
#33:


jedirood posted...
Erik_P hasn't made bullshit lies about me.

*gasp* Oh shit! You sure showed me!

If someone made bullshit lies about me, like say schmen, I'd probably just ignore them. But shit, just because someone HASN'T made bullshit lies about me, they must be better than schmen, right?

You know who else hasn't made bullshit lies about me? Charles Manson. I assume the same is true about you. So either you're going to tell me that Manson is a better person than Zeus, who ostensibly hasn't been made as a serial killer, or you're going to have to admit your stupid criteria is emotionally self-serving while you continue to justify your blatant topic-stalking, OR you'll admit that Zeus is an asshole but you haven't made yourself out to be much better (I can agree with this, everyone makes mistakes), OR you can give an example of the bullshit lie and explain why Erik_P's disgusting constant negativity is somehow better than Zeus'...whatever. And I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this has been ongoing, so the earliest example would suffice.
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jedirood
06/24/17 12:15:27 AM
#34:


I never said I approve of Erik's negativity. I'd prefer everyone got along. I never said Zeus is worse than Charles Manson. Honestly, Erik and Zeus are both assholes in their own way.

Thing is, between them, Zeus has gone out of his way to attack me, while Erik has at least been respectful. Who do you think I'm gonna see as the bigger asshole here?
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Veedrock-
06/24/17 12:18:38 AM
#35:


jedirood posted...
Honestly, Erik and Zeus are both a******s in their own way. Thing is, between them, I disagree with Zeus, while I agree with Eric. Who do you think I'm gonna see as the bigger a****** here?

The only correct answer is "you."
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jedirood
06/24/17 12:21:55 AM
#36:


Veedrock- posted...
jedirood posted...
Honestly, Erik and Zeus are both a******s in their own way. Thing is, between them, I disagree with Zeus, while I agree with Eric. Who do you think I'm gonna see as the bigger a****** here?

The only correct answer is "you."


That's not what I say. Don't change my words to fit your needs.
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Zeus
06/24/17 12:22:25 AM
#37:


Tropic_Sunset posted...
You know, I don't like Zeus


=(

Tropic_Sunset posted...
When you agree with Erik_P, you have no ground to stand on. That's like agreeing with ICOYAR.


And lol @ jedirood being an edgy tryhard again.

Tropic_Sunset posted...
If someone made bullshit lies about me, like say schmen, I'd probably just ignore them. But shit, just because someone HASN'T made bullshit lies about me, they must be better than schmen, right?


For the record, everything I've said about jedirood has been true, which is what really burns him up as well as the fact I can chose to block him.
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jedirood
06/24/17 12:23:55 AM
#38:


You said I support Terrorists and that I'm a homophobe. Neither of these are true.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
06/24/17 12:25:57 AM
#39:


Tropic_Sunset posted...
If someone made bullshit lies about me, like say schmen, I'd probably just ignore them.

jediroods a 17 y/o kid. Emotional bs makes sense for him but not for adults. He isnt you fam. Peeps come in all shapes an sizes. Erik_P sure af ain't a saint but Zeus sure af ain't either. Diff is Zeus is knockin off a Batman: TAS episode. Ya wanna devils advocate a troll to a teen. Lol Be my guest.
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Veedrock-
06/24/17 12:26:05 AM
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He can't read your posts, take a hint.
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Tropic_Sunset
06/24/17 12:47:43 AM
#41:


jedirood posted...
I never said I approve of Erik's negativity. I'd prefer everyone got along. I never said Zeus is worse than Charles Manson.


Of course not. That's not the point. The point is that someone making BS lies about you is a shit reason to seek them out to degrade them. Because that is only a personal reason to dislike some, not a good reason. This is also why I invited you to explain your reasons with examples. Which you haven't done. Just reasserted your position. I invite you to give specific example here, with (at risk of being accused of moving the goalposts, since 1. I didn't state this before upon reading my post and 2. GF deletes posts after a time) some evidence for review.

jedirood posted...
while Erik has at least been respectful.

Not to ignore the part where Zeus went out of his way to attack you (I can see you've done that to him, so it may be untenable, while understandable, for you to return the favor), if you think Erik is respectful you need to reexamine your worldview.

Zeus posted...
=(

I don't hate you either. That's how I feel about 95% of the board. Not a bad thing.

Zeus posted...
For the record, everything I've said about jedirood has been true, which is what really burns him up as well as the fact I can chose to block him.

To be fair, I need to at least give him a chance to defend his position.

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
Ya wanna devils advocate a troll to a teen. Lol Be my guest.


If you think I'm simply being "devils advocate," meaning the correct term wherein I argue a position I don't necessarily agree with, you are a damn fool. I certainly agree with my position and will defend it accordingly.
Assuming the rest of what you said is true, then I am correct to challenge jedi to defend his views so he can potentially be someone who learns to do it himself and not be simply mediocre, and follows his confirmation bias as do the rest. Think before acting.

That said, if he comes to the same conclusion and can defend it, even if I still disagree, I am in no position, nor influence, to force him to change. Teens being more emotional is hardly an excuse to allow them to form their opinions on emotion alone. Feel free to emphasis this.
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OhhhJa
06/24/17 12:50:04 AM
#42:


jedirood posted...
Veedrock- posted...
jedirood posted...
Honestly, Erik and Zeus are both a******s in their own way. Thing is, between them, I disagree with Zeus, while I agree with Eric. Who do you think I'm gonna see as the bigger a****** here?

The only correct answer is "you."


That's not what I say. Don't change my words to fit your needs.

He's right. You're more angry with someone because their viewpoint is different from yours regardless of the fact that Erik expresses his viewpoint in a far more aggressive and insulting manner pretty much all the time. That's the definition of a bigot
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OhhhJa
06/24/17 12:51:58 AM
#43:


FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
Tropic_Sunset posted...
If someone made bullshit lies about me, like say schmen, I'd probably just ignore them.

jediroods a 17 y/o kid. Emotional bs makes sense for him but not for adults. He isnt you fam. Peeps come in all shapes an sizes. Erik_P sure af ain't a saint but Zeus sure af ain't either. Diff is Zeus is knockin off a Batman: TAS episode. Ya wanna devils advocate a troll to a teen. Lol Be my guest.

17 is the perfect age to start learning real life lessons tbh
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jedirood
06/24/17 12:57:47 AM
#44:


OhhhJa posted...
jedirood posted...
Veedrock- posted...
jedirood posted...
Honestly, Erik and Zeus are both a******s in their own way. Thing is, between them, I disagree with Zeus, while I agree with Eric. Who do you think I'm gonna see as the bigger a****** here?

The only correct answer is "you."


That's not what I say. Don't change my words to fit your needs.

He's right. You're more angry with someone because their viewpoint is different from yours regardless of the fact that Erik expresses his viewpoint in a far more aggressive and insulting manner pretty much all the time. That's the definition of a bigot


I respect ICOYAR more than Zeus, and they share the same views. You wanna know why? Because Zeus has done nothing but insult me. So don't pretend like you know my reasoning.
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Melon_Master
06/24/17 3:56:35 AM
#45:


jedirood posted...
OhhhJa posted...
jedirood posted...
Veedrock- posted...
jedirood posted...
Honestly, Erik and Zeus are both a******s in their own way. Thing is, between them, I disagree with Zeus, while I agree with Eric. Who do you think I'm gonna see as the bigger a****** here?

The only correct answer is "you."


That's not what I say. Don't change my words to fit your needs.

He's right. You're more angry with someone because their viewpoint is different from yours regardless of the fact that Erik expresses his viewpoint in a far more aggressive and insulting manner pretty much all the time. That's the definition of a bigot


I respect ICOYAR more than Zeus, and they share the same views. You wanna know why? Because Zeus has done nothing but insult me. So don't pretend like you know my reasoning.

You actually brought up a good point in there. That despite their similarities, ICO appears grounded when compared to Zeus.
Not to mention, ICO has shown he recognizes his faults and has even shown the ability to walk away/disappear when proved wrong.
This realization has made me realize ICO, might actually be more mature/aware than I previously gave him credit for.. :O
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jedirood
06/24/17 4:29:44 AM
#46:


He's still a piece of [term for human feces] thanks to his attitude towards women. So it's only slightly more respect
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Zeus
06/24/17 5:00:51 AM
#47:


Tropic_Sunset posted...
Not to ignore the part where Zeus went out of his way to attack you (I can see you've done that to him, so it may be untenable, while understandable, for you to return the favor), if you think Erik is respectful you need to reexamine your worldview.


I must have missed when I did that.

Tropic_Sunset posted...
If you think I'm simply being "devils advocate," meaning the correct term wherein I argue a position I don't necessarily agree with, you are a damn fool. I certainly agree with my position and will defend it accordingly.


Keep in mind that Koopa/Fr is a troll alt. I believe I know who he belongs to -- since he appeared around the same time as another poster, was involved in the same topics as him, and then proceeded to harass me through the mention system in the exact same way for a while -- but that individual, a CEsspooler who no longer uses PotD on his "best known" account would simply deny it.
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Tropic_Sunset
06/24/17 7:31:05 AM
#48:


Zeus posted...
I must have missed when I did that.

I meant the part in his post where he said you did that, which I didn't quote specifically because I couldn't comment on it. Think of the bolded part as "assuming that's true..."
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
06/24/17 3:21:07 PM
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Tropic_Sunset posted...
I certainly agree with my position and will defend it accordingly.

Course ya do fam. Called bein old an stubborn. Keep on keepin on. Without baby boomer peeps like y'all actin like kids forums wouldn't be fun.
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Tropic_Sunset
06/24/17 4:24:41 PM
#50:


FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
Tropic_Sunset posted...
I certainly agree with my position and will defend it accordingly.

Course ya do fam. Called bein old an stubborn. Keep on keepin on. Without baby boomer peeps like y'all actin like kids forums wouldn't be fun.

This isn't even a good attempt.
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