Current Events > why dont americans want their minimum wage to be livable and raise with expenses

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your minimum wage hasnt been raising with the times as cost of living has been going up, yet you dont want minimum wage to increase as it will "increase the prices of everything else".
yet, prices go up regardless, but not minimum wage

theres still the fact that minimum wage should be enough for 1 person to survive on given full time hours of work, along with some comforts like entertainment

why do americans refuse to accept this?
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Are you an economist?

Because we'd rather have people with livable wages actually contribute a skill than just being another cog in a soon to be automated practice.
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We're not fans of communism.

We like things like freedom and having food.

Rika_Furude posted...

theres still the fact that minimum wage should be enough for 1 person to survive on given full time hours of work, along with some comforts like entertainment

You don't know what facts are.
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Minimum wage hasn't been raising?

That's weird, could have sworn it was only like $5.25 when I was 16yrs old.

Drpooplol posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

theres still the fact that minimum wage should be enough for 1 person to survive on given full time hours of work, along with some comforts like entertainment

You don't know what facts are.

oh ok, someone should just work a full time job and be unable to support themselves. that makes sense. /s
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Feline_Heart posted...

Are you an economist?

dodgefan91 posted...

Minimum wage hasn't been raising?

That's weird, could have sworn it was only like $5.25 when I was 16yrs old.

Last time the Federal Min Wage was increased was back in 2009. Otherwise it doesn't go up to match inflation until someone manually raises it.

Although individual states can also set their own minimum wage too.
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You realize different states have vastly different costs of living, right?

Drpooplol posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

theres still the fact that minimum wage should be enough for 1 person to survive on given full time hours of work, along with some comforts like entertainment

You don't know what facts are.

I agree that the minimum wage should be raised, I disagree that it should be set at $15/hr by XXXX year.

But this statement, is what I have the biggest problem with. A person should absolutely NOT expect to cover all their bills and have comforts with a minimum wage job. MINIMUM is a they key. If that were the case, everyone should get by with minimal effort. Minimum wage jobs are minimum wage jobs for a reason, they are a stepping stone.

because middle class people are being constantly brainwashed by the 1% and being told that the poor people are the cause of everything and not the other way around.
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Pretty clear republicans hate poor people any time the dems wanted to raise min wage they would block it we should not have inflation if salaries dont raise with it
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BGleason22 posted...

Drpooplol posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

theres still the fact that minimum wage should be enough for 1 person to survive on given full time hours of work, along with some comforts like entertainment

You don't know what facts are.

I agree that the minimum wage should be raised, I disagree that it should be set at $15/hr by XXXX year.

But this statement, is what I have the biggest problem with. A person should absolutely NOT expect to cover all their bills and have comforts with a minimum wage job. MINIMUM is a they key. If that were the case, everyone should get by with minimal effort. Minimum wage jobs are minimum wage jobs for a reason, they are a stepping stone.

Wasn't the case when the minimum wage was first implemented. Didn't cause a societal collapse then, don't see why raising it to match inflation would cause society's downfall now.
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Rika_Furude posted...

your minimum wage hasnt been raising with the times as cost of living has been going up, yet you dont want minimum wage to increase as it will "increase the prices of everything else".
yet, prices go up regardless, but not minimum wage

theres still the fact that minimum wage should be enough for 1 person to survive on given full time hours of work, along with some comforts like entertainment

Aside from the fact that this is all utter complete bullshit, we have 50 different states plus the District of Columbia that determine their own minimum wage suitable for their own cost of living. In fact two states even have exceptions to the current federal minimum because there are parts of the states where there literally isn't enough money in the system to pay everyone. Setting a blanket minimum wage for all the states is pointless at best and stupidly reckless at worst.

because the upper classes want to keep the lower classes exactly where they are to continue exploiting them
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The government subsidizes poor people with welfare so businesses don't have to pay a livable wage

So basically the idea is to saddle future generations with an insurmountable mountain of debt so corporations can rake in the profits right now

dolomedes posted...

lots of americans do want a livable minimum wage, but the people in power are not those americans.

It's much more feasible to make coal mining a productive endeavor than it is to raise the minimum wage. So of course that's what our country is going to be focusing on.
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BGleason22 posted...

A person should absolutely NOT expect to cover all their bills and have comforts with a minimum wage job.

They should if they are working full time hours. Otherwise what is the point of the job?
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Rika_Furude posted...

BGleason22 posted...

A person should absolutely NOT expect to cover all their bills and have comforts with a minimum wage job.

They should if they are working full time hours. Otherwise what is the point of the job?

What is the point of an entry level job? Is that your question?

BGleason22 posted...

But this statement, is what I have the biggest problem with. A person should absolutely NOT expect to cover all their bills and have comforts with a minimum wage job. MINIMUM is a they key. If that were the case, everyone should get by with minimal effort. Minimum wage jobs are minimum wage jobs for a reason, they are a stepping stone.

Because it's such a terrible thing that someone putting in 40 hours a week should be able to pay their monthly bills.

Also it's not bad that people have spare money aside to buy other things besides their bills. It helps fuel the economy if people are capable of spending more on things they want.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

BGleason22 posted...

Drpooplol posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

theres still the fact that minimum wage should be enough for 1 person to survive on given full time hours of work, along with some comforts like entertainment

You don't know what facts are.

I agree that the minimum wage should be raised, I disagree that it should be set at $15/hr by XXXX year.

But this statement, is what I have the biggest problem with. A person should absolutely NOT expect to cover all their bills and have comforts with a minimum wage job. MINIMUM is a they key. If that were the case, everyone should get by with minimal effort. Minimum wage jobs are minimum wage jobs for a reason, they are a stepping stone.

Wasn't the case when the minimum wage was first implemented. Didn't cause a societal collapse then, don't see why raising it to match inflation would cause society's downfall now.

https://oregonstate.edu/instruct/anth484/minwage.html

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BGleason22 posted...

But this statement, is what I have the biggest problem with. A person should absolutely NOT expect to cover all their bills and have comforts with a minimum wage job. MINIMUM is a they key. If that were the case, everyone should get by with minimal effort. Minimum wage jobs are minimum wage jobs for a reason, they are a stepping stone.

Because it's such a terrible thing that someone putting in 40 hours a week should be able to pay their monthly bills.

Also it's not bad that people have spare money aside to buy other things besides their bills. It helps fuel the economy if people are capable of spending more on things they want.

In one sentence you say people should be able to work 40 hours and pay their bills, in the next you say they should also have spare money to buy things they want....

With a MINIMUM effort.

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I have no words

There is a difference between wants and needs

If you want something. WORK for it.

BGleason22 posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

BGleason22 posted...

A person should absolutely NOT expect to cover all their bills and have comforts with a minimum wage job.

They should if they are working full time hours. Otherwise what is the point of the job?

What is the point of an entry level job? Is that your question?

"entry level" doesn't mean "unable to support self". It means "first step in your professional career"
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America is fucked up why are people so greedy we dont want to help the less fortunate ever its all about ourselves always
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Rika_Furude posted...

BGleason22 posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

BGleason22 posted...

A person should absolutely NOT expect to cover all their bills and have comforts with a minimum wage job.

They should if they are working full time hours. Otherwise what is the point of the job?

What is the point of an entry level job? Is that your question?

"entry level" doesn't mean "unable to support self". It means "first step in your professional career"

Yes, I agree, thanks for proving the point.

You should not expect to cover all your bills and have enough money for comforts in your first step in your career, it should motivate you to become better, to get a better job, to improve yourself, so you CAN afford those comforts.

Rika_Furude posted...

BGleason22 posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

BGleason22 posted...

A person should absolutely NOT expect to cover all their bills and have comforts with a minimum wage job.

They should if they are working full time hours. Otherwise what is the point of the job?

What is the point of an entry level job? Is that your question?

"entry level" doesn't mean "unable to support self". It means "first step in your professional career"

No, "entry level" means "job that anybody can do" which means more competition from people who don't need a manager's salary to flip burgers. There are other options to supporting yourself, like living with family, spouses, roommates, etc.

BGleason22 posted...

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BGleason22 posted...

But this statement, is what I have the biggest problem with. A person should absolutely NOT expect to cover all their bills and have comforts with a minimum wage job. MINIMUM is a they key. If that were the case, everyone should get by with minimal effort. Minimum wage jobs are minimum wage jobs for a reason, they are a stepping stone.

Because it's such a terrible thing that someone putting in 40 hours a week should be able to pay their monthly bills.

Also it's not bad that people have spare money aside to buy other things besides their bills. It helps fuel the economy if people are capable of spending more on things they want.

In one sentence you say people should be able to work 40 hours and pay their bills, in the next you say they should also have spare money to buy things they want....

With a MINIMUM effort.

.....

I have no words.

If you want a good economy, people need to be able to buy more than what they need from their paycheck. I'm not saying people working min wage for 40 hours a week need to be able to afford expensive things, but if someone working 40 hours a week on min wage wants to go out one night to see a movie they should be able to afford to do so. Also before you twist my words here, no I don't me they should be able to go every night to see a movie. Something like once a month isn't really a big deal..
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CADE FOSTER posted...

America is fucked up why are people so greedy we dont want to help the less fortunate ever its all about ourselves always

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37159686

Those are entitlements im talking about raising the min wage so we dont have conservatives always whining about welfare and foodstamps bankrupting the country
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Tmaster148 posted...

BGleason22 posted...

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BGleason22 posted...

But this statement, is what I have the biggest problem with. A person should absolutely NOT expect to cover all their bills and have comforts with a minimum wage job. MINIMUM is a they key. If that were the case, everyone should get by with minimal effort. Minimum wage jobs are minimum wage jobs for a reason, they are a stepping stone.

Because it's such a terrible thing that someone putting in 40 hours a week should be able to pay their monthly bills.

Also it's not bad that people have spare money aside to buy other things besides their bills. It helps fuel the economy if people are capable of spending more on things they want.

In one sentence you say people should be able to work 40 hours and pay their bills, in the next you say they should also have spare money to buy things they want....

With a MINIMUM effort.

.....

I have no words.

If you want a good economy, people need to be able to buy more than what they need from their paycheck. I'm not saying people working min wage for 40 hours a week need to be able to afford expensive things, but if someone working 40 hours a week on min wage wants to go out one night to see a movie they should be able to afford to do so. Also before you twist my words here, no I don't me they should be able to go every night to see a movie. Something like once a month isn't really a big deal..

Explain what happens to today's skilled labor that makes $15-25/hr if/when minimum wage moves to $15/hr

Does everyone get a 100% increase?

How does that translate to prices of consumer goods?

Did we just inflate the US dollar? Is everyone now better off with more money to spend or did the value of the dollar just go down the toilet?

BGleason22 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

BGleason22 posted...

ITT: People think minimal effort = normalTmaster148 posted...

BGleason22 posted...

But this statement, is what I have the biggest problem with. A person should absolutely NOT expect to cover all their bills and have comforts with a minimum wage job. MINIMUM is a they key. If that were the case, everyone should get by with minimal effort. Minimum wage jobs are minimum wage jobs for a reason, they are a stepping stone.

Because it's such a terrible thing that someone putting in 40 hours a week should be able to pay their monthly bills.

Also it's not bad that people have spare money aside to buy other things besides their bills. It helps fuel the economy if people are capable of spending more on things they want.

In one sentence you say people should be able to work 40 hours and pay their bills, in the next you say they should also have spare money to buy things they want....

With a MINIMUM effort.

.....

I have no words.

If you want a good economy, people need to be able to buy more than what they need from their paycheck. I'm not saying people working min wage for 40 hours a week need to be able to afford expensive things, but if someone working 40 hours a week on min wage wants to go out one night to see a movie they should be able to afford to do so. Also before you twist my words here, no I don't me they should be able to go every night to see a movie. Something like once a month isn't really a big deal..

Explain what happens to today's skilled labor that makes $15-25/hr if/when minimum wage moves to $15/hr

Does everyone get a 100% increase?

How does that translate to prices of consumer goods?

Did we just inflate the US dollar? Is everyone now better off with more money to spend or did the value of the dollar just go down the toilet?

Well I never did say that I think min wage should be $15. I was just saying you concept that someone working 40 hours on min wage and being unable to pay their monthly bills or any wants is dumb and will only hurt the economy in the long run.

It's better if people working full time jobs don't need welfare just to get by, because their job doesn't pay enough. It's also better if people working full time jobs make more than the money they need to spend to get by as well so they have extra money to put back into the economy.
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BGleason22 posted...

In one sentence you say people should be able to work 40 hours and pay their bills, in the next you say they should also have spare money to buy things they want....

With a MINIMUM effort.

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40 hours a week is above minimum effort, even if they are flipping burgers
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CADE FOSTER posted...

Those are entitlements im talking about raising the min wage so we dont have conservatives always whining about welfare and foodstamps bankrupting the country

Um, it would have exactly the opposite effect. See, most of the people who are demanding the arbitrary $15 amount are wage slave scrubs who have no knowledge of how businesses or the economy work. But the democrats in Washington support the wage for a different reason. They're not stupid, they know a $15 would pulverize the economy in most states, and that's the whole point. It's a scheme to collectively punish traditionally conservative states which have the lowest wages, cost of living, and capacity for increased business traffic, as well as put thousands of people out of work and businesses closed down to make way for giant corporations to succeed the market, so they would need government assistance to survive. It's a twisted agenda worthy of a Bond villain.

Annihilated posted...

They're not stupid,

Yes they are.
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tremain07 posted...

Annihilated posted...

They're not stupid,

Yes they are.

Well yes, but I meant not THAT stupid.

Rika_Furude posted...

BGleason22 posted...

In one sentence you say people should be able to work 40 hours and pay their bills, in the next you say they should also have spare money to buy things they want....

With a MINIMUM effort.

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40 hours a week is above minimum effort, even if they are flipping burgers

Oh. My. God.

Do people seriously think this?

Tmaster148 posted...

BGleason22 posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

BGleason22 posted...

ITT: People think minimal effort = normalTmaster148 posted...

BGleason22 posted...

But this statement, is what I have the biggest problem with. A person should absolutely NOT expect to cover all their bills and have comforts with a minimum wage job. MINIMUM is a they key. If that were the case, everyone should get by with minimal effort. Minimum wage jobs are minimum wage jobs for a reason, they are a stepping stone.

Because it's such a terrible thing that someone putting in 40 hours a week should be able to pay their monthly bills.

Also it's not bad that people have spare money aside to buy other things besides their bills. It helps fuel the economy if people are capable of spending more on things they want.

In one sentence you say people should be able to work 40 hours and pay their bills, in the next you say they should also have spare money to buy things they want....

With a MINIMUM effort.

.....

I have no words.

If you want a good economy, people need to be able to buy more than what they need from their paycheck. I'm not saying people working min wage for 40 hours a week need to be able to afford expensive things, but if someone working 40 hours a week on min wage wants to go out one night to see a movie they should be able to afford to do so. Also before you twist my words here, no I don't me they should be able to go every night to see a movie. Something like once a month isn't really a big deal..

Explain what happens to today's skilled labor that makes $15-25/hr if/when minimum wage moves to $15/hr

Does everyone get a 100% increase?

How does that translate to prices of consumer goods?

Did we just inflate the US dollar? Is everyone now better off with more money to spend or did the value of the dollar just go down the toilet?

Well I never did say that I think min wage should be $15. I was just saying you concept that someone working 40 hours on min wage and being unable to pay their monthly bills or any wants is dumb and will only hurt the economy in the long run.

It's better if people working full time jobs don't need welfare just to get by, because their job doesn't pay enough. It's also better if people working full time jobs make more than the money they need to spend to get by as well so they have extra money to put back into the economy.

I already stated I think min wage should be increased. I believe that min wage should be enough to cover bills and survive. I was mostly upset by the comment that min wage should be enough to be able to survive and have comforts. That makes absolutely no sense. If that were the case, what is stopping the majority of society from giving minimal effort? What is pushing society to strive for better?

The weak die and the strong survive and prosper, thats all there is too it, if you don't have a real skill you don't deserve a real wage, end of fucking story.
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dodgefan91 posted...

Minimum wage hasn't been raising?

That's weird, could have sworn it was only like $5.25 when I was 16yrs old.

back then.... the inflation wasn't as bad :(.
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mfw there exists countires that are much happier, much more successful in the economy, have a much better school system, have a much better quality of living, and they do all of the things republicans think are bad

really is amazing how the gop and their uneducated base are trying to kill people
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BGleason22 posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

BGleason22 posted...

In one sentence you say people should be able to work 40 hours and pay their bills, in the next you say they should also have spare money to buy things they want....

With a MINIMUM effort.

.....

40 hours a week is above minimum effort, even if they are flipping burgers

Oh. My. God.

Do people seriously think this?

it's more effort than working part time or casually, are you denying this?
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BGleason22 posted...

I already stated I think min wage should be increased. I believe that min wage should be enough to cover bills and survive. I was mostly upset by the comment that min wage should be enough to be able to survive and have comforts. That makes absolutely no sense. If that were the case, what is stopping the majority of society from giving minimal effort? What is pushing society to strive for better?

What's wrong with being able to buy some comforts? What do you expect people to do in the time they aren't working to pay for survival. Entertainment is really a part of survival anyways and people do deserve down time to relax outside of work. Min Wage Full Time should pay more than enough to live off of, but I'm not saying the amount over needs to be a huge amount either. If you want to buy more expensive things or buy more other things, you would strive to getting promoted or find a better paying job, but you shouldn't be locked out of buying anything extra if you work full time.
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The entire "people should spend 50% of their time at the service of their employers but they still don't deserve a reasonably comfortable standard of living" group is completely disgusting.

Rika_Furude posted...

BGleason22 posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

BGleason22 posted...

In one sentence you say people should be able to work 40 hours and pay their bills, in the next you say they should also have spare money to buy things they want....

With a MINIMUM effort.

.....

40 hours a week is above minimum effort, even if they are flipping burgers

Oh. My. God.

Do people seriously think this?

it's more effort than working part time or casually, are you denying this?

Good luck in life. You'll see.

That's about all the time this back and forth is worth.

metralo posted...

mfw there exists countires that are much happier, much more successful in the economy, have a much better school system, have a much better quality of living, and they do all of the things republicans think are bad

really is amazing how the gop and their uneducated base are trying to kill people

They swallow the kool aid man even if it hurts them or kills them they are loyal makes no sense
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