Current Events > Has GTA online hit a new low or have I not been paying attention?

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So let me get this straight I have to spend a million-and-a-half on a bunker so that I can then be able to buy a mobile command center for a million or so dollars because I need that in order to actually get the new weapons and upgrade the new vehicles that also cost millions of dollars?

RIP the idea of a great RDR2
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GTA:O only exists to sell shark cards

You gotta grind during those double money weeks. I tend to get at least a mil from them.
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I'm so happy a modder put that 1.5 billion dollar bounty on me when the game was new
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Basically your only chance is to spend like $100 on a shark card, grind Pacific Standard with a few friends (randumbs are impossible. And ideally on a double money week.) over and over, or join public lobbies and hope a hacker gives you money. Much easier on PS360 and PC though. I know PS4 has been hacked at least but it's pretty limited afaik.

But yeah it's gotten pretty absurd. You'll have the defenders come in saying "but it's free!" or "but you don't need those things!" Which are dumb arguments because nearly 4 years in to GTA:O the only reason to come back and keep playing is the new content, and if it's locked behind an absurdly high pay wall that's unobtainable for those not willing to spend $100 on shark cards or who are more casual and can't get 4 people together to grind PS literally dozens of times, then it's kinda pointless really.
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I don't understand why people have a problem with the prices. I buy pretty much everything and still got 8 mil. Never bought a shark card or cheated
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I mean ive got like 7 mil saved up but its still shit.

These updates should cost 20, maybe 50 bucks tops. Not hundreds of dollars and/or days of grinding.
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The import export dlc made heists obsolete. Very quick and easy to make big money
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I/E got boring really quick. Its easy money but the worst grind.
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You could pay 20 bucks and spend slightly less time grinding. Really all shark cards are is a way to pay real money so that you can play the game less. If you don't want to plop down $100 then grinding is the tradeoff.
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I mean, it's not like this is a surprise. I was grinding the import/export cars and the MC businesses for a couple weeks before this because we all knew damn well that every dlc gets more and more expensive, not cheaper.

You just have to plan ahead. I don't exactly love the current model, but I don't hate it either. I've got all this free dlc and have never bought a single shark card. Just grind and be smart with your money.

And if you don't want to grind, pay for a shark card and just pretend that the dlc isn't free...which is exactly what would happen if they weren't selling shark cards by making stuff stupid expensive.

They really need to permanently double the $ in everything and also inflate the shark card value. Even at launch when the most expensive car and apt were like a mil each the $20 1.25m card was overpriced, but now 1.25m is basically nothing. $20 needs to get you like 5m imo.
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I have not played GTA:O in months, got bored of it and the stupid high prices, it was fun for a while but it has lost it's luster for me. It is still better support, quality, and gameplay then GTA IV though.

I was chomping at the bit for a new GTA not long after 4 and then after the dlc as I HATED LC and the boring envirement. With GTA V they had city, forest, beach, ocean, all kinds of places to go and see. Still love how much variety they added so I am not needing a new GTA as 5 is still fun.

When GTA 6 does get made I hope they never make the stupid mistakes of GTA IV ever again with such a bad sandbox. Guns and cars must have customization, a wide variety to choose from, and aeriel vehicles beyond helicopters.
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Offworlder1 posted...

When GTA 6 does get made I hope they never make the stupid mistakes of GTA IV ever again with such a bad sandbox. Guns and cars must have customization, a wide variety to choose from, and aeriel vehicles beyond helicopters.

Um... There are aerial vehicles other than helicopters in GTAV, or did I misunderstand you?
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I still prefer 4, best story and best SP.
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I'm still debating whether or not to actually got forward with a bunker. If it makes good money, I'll add it next to my crate and car exporting. I don't really care about all the upgrades to the guns or vehicles. All of it looks like tacticool bullshit designed for people that just want to shoot people in free roam.

I will say though, that new jet bike looks amazing.
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Funkdamental posted...

Offworlder1 posted...

When GTA 6 does get made I hope they never make the stupid mistakes of GTA IV ever again with such a bad sandbox. Guns and cars must have customization, a wide variety to choose from, and aeriel vehicles beyond helicopters.

Um... There are aerial vehicles other than helicopters in GTAV, or did I misunderstand you?

He's talking about GTA IV which had no gun or car customization, a limited variety, and only had helicopters.
Which was a massive step backwards and removed mountains of content and what made it's predecessor San Andreas (as well as Vice City and even III) so great.
There was a trend from III -> VC -> SA of taking the formula, giving you a bigger and better map, more weapons, more vehicles, more features, more options, and variety, etc. But then IV shit all over that trend and was a huge step back, V has them going forward again and he's saying he hopes they don't make the mistakes of IV again.
Which hopefully they've learned from that and never will again but who knows, history repeats itself.
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Not to overly defend R* here but GTA IV was built upon a new physics engine, and later content down the road began adding back features once they got used to making content in it.
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Malcrasternus posted...

Not to overly defend R* here but GTA IV was built upon a new physics engine, and later content down the road began adding back features once they got used to making content in it.

But still it took years, multiple delays, and what I believe was the most expensive video game of all time costing 100-something mil with a massive team. And it wasn't even able to run well on PC. It was lacking both technically and content wise.
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Gamer99z posted...

He's talking about GTA IV which had no gun or car customization, a limited variety, and only had helicopters.

Wow. Glad I didn't persevere with GTA IV beyond the first few missions -- I couldn't stand the vehicle physics and loathed the muddy, fuzzy graphics.
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Just buy the rocket bike and live a happy life
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That game is OLD. If you've been playing regularly that shit should be chump change. I had like ten million when I stopped caring months before the PS4 version even came out...
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Chad-Henne posted...

I'm so happy a modder put that 1.5 billion dollar bounty on me when the game was new

I got a few of those but was wiped out when they did the wiping out. Sucks because the challenges that were paying millions of dollars was also happening so I had tons of money from that as well. All taken away. But my buddy never had that santa money given to him so he just buys whatever we need.

But yah, it's hard as shit to play when you got no money.
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Funkdamental posted...

Gamer99z posted...

He's talking about GTA IV which had no gun or car customization, a limited variety, and only had helicopters.

Wow. Glad I didn't persevere with GTA IV beyond the first few missions -- I couldn't stand the vehicle physics and loathed the muddy, fuzzy graphics.

Yeah IV is hot garbage imo. Easily the worst 3D main entry.
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Great idea ruined by Rockstar's greed, shame.
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dodgefan91 posted...

And if you don't want to grind, pay for a shark card and just pretend that the dlc isn't free...which is exactly what would happen if they weren't selling shark cards by making stuff stupid expensive.

This is such a bullshit excuse because in order to actually buy the DLC you're shelling out hundreds of dollars for shark cards where as if it wasn't "free" it'd just be a twenty dollar expansion.

It's like the worst kept secret out there that Take 2 is forcing Rockstar to keep churning out GTA Online content when they just want to move on. I wouldn't be surprised if Rockstar is purposefully trying to reach a point where people say "fuck it", but instead people are too fucking stupid to realize they are getting played and just keep buying those Shark Cards.
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SF_Okami posted...

I don't understand why people have a problem with the prices. I buy pretty much everything and still got 8 mil. Never bought a shark card or cheated

This, and I don't have much time to play either. Although early on I was gifted money but I only bought a tank and a Cheetah which I've since sold. Have everything one would need, CEO with vehicle and special cargo warehouse where I can make a million off in an hour or so of work.

It baffles me how people defend this shit. Not everyone has the the time to grind and grind and grind for fake money all day.

Gamers are their own worst enemy. They defend obvious cash grabs and now companies will find new ways to screw the consumer.
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You can't make a million in an hour of special cargo work.

I feel like the people who have no problem with the system are people who don't even fucking play the game.

And they're going to be the people that are confused as fuck at why everything is behind a paywall when Red Dead Redemption 2 comes out.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

You can't make a million in an hour of special cargo work.

I feel like the people who have no problem with the system are people who don't even fucking play the game.

And they're going to be the people that are confused as fuck at why everything is behind a paywall when Red Dead Redemption 2 comes out.

Lets do some math

Using methods from the import export dlc, you can get the game to only give you select cars (the game will only make you get cars you do not already have in your garage) So get one of every car then do a collection, the best for me is the X80, Osiris, and t20 collection.

That is a 100,000 profit per car plus the amount of the collection (35k)

That is a 325,000 profit on normal days. they often do weeks where the pay is 25-50% more. So no, you cant get a million in an hour, but you can get damn close. During the 40 minute cooldown, you can go grab the cars again then do a few missions for more cash, then sell again. Limitless money if you have 2 friends willing to do it. Plus they get the pay for being a henchmen and they get the 35k bonus

Edit: My bad, it is 80k profit per car but still worthwhile considering you can do it twice in an hour. Easily a mil on special weeks.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

You can't make a million in an hour of special cargo work.

I feel like the people who have no problem with the system are people who don't even fucking play the game.

And they're going to be the people that are confused as fuck at why everything is behind a paywall when Red Dead Redemption 2 comes out.

$100,000 for one car sale takes 10 minutes tops. Special cargo if you have your warehouse full can sell for a million easily if you have at least 1 of the special crates and 3 trucks full of goods. You can deliver all 3 in 10-20 minutes, just enough time to sell off another car from your vehicle warehouse. And I have no trouble inviting a random or 2 to help me deliver and pick up special cargo. Making a million in an hour or so isn't hard at all.

nativengine posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

You can't make a million in an hour of special cargo work.

I feel like the people who have no problem with the system are people who don't even fucking play the game.

And they're going to be the people that are confused as fuck at why everything is behind a paywall when Red Dead Redemption 2 comes out.

$100,000 for one car sale takes 10 minutes tops. Special cargo if you have your warehouse full can sell for a million easily if you have at least 1 of the special crates and 3 trucks full of goods. You can deliver all 3 in 10-20 minutes, just enough time to sell off another car from your vehicle warehouse. And I have no trouble inviting a random or 2 to help me deliver and pick up special cargo. Making a million in an hour or so isn't hard at all.

This too but I still think the time invested in special cargo crates is not worth it, or at the very least it is not that fun. grabbing cars is way more enjoyable.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

I feel like the people who have no problem with the system are people who don't even fucking play the game.

I'm not gonna lie: I haven't played in years. But back then making this kinda money wasn't unreasonable.

Look at it from a different perspective: You're a hardcore GTA fan. You've been playing this shit since the 360/PS3 release. They release a new update and everything can be bought immediately, with 1% of your bank. And all these other players who don't play regularly can just log in and buy everything without putting in even a tenth of the effort you did.

How worthless do you feel your money is? How valuable is the time you spend here? How much incentive do you have to come back to this game day in and day out?

It's a balancing act. Picking a price that welcomes new and more casual players and rewards older, more hardcore players. I'm guessing after years of this shit being love they're leaning a little heavier towards the older, more hardcore players now.

The point is that while the price may seem unreasonable to casuals like us, the people who play this game all the time get to feel accomplished for having so much more money.
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Most of my money came from grinding with a friend like crazy.

There is one martin madrazo mission where you need to kill a dude in a ubermacht coupe, you kill him, take the 10-15k you got from madrazo, then you sell the dudes car for 22k at LSC. We did that for a long time and that is how we made our bank. Cant do it anymore but it was a great way to make money in the very early days.

Now if you know the strategies and dont mind spending the time it is very easy to make money and your friends make some of that with you. I sure as hell would like 70-100k an hour for doing almost nothing, that is what my friends make for working for me.
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The import/export cars can easily net you ~160k per hour solo just by selling 2 high end vehicles. Mix in the occasional VIP mission in the cool down times and you can pretty easily net 200k per hour. If you also have MC businesses turning out product in the background, you're making even more. Even if you don't want to steal the supplies, I pay 75K for the coke supplies and one full bar turns into 125K of product with zero time investment until you go to sell.

I can do all that solo. Get a few friends to help you grind and you can make even more.

There are multiple months between each dlc. If you can't grind out a few million in that time, you're doing something wrong.

nativengine posted...

$100,000 for one car sale takes 10 minutes tops. Special cargo if you have your warehouse full can sell for a million easily if you have at least 1 of the special crates and 3 trucks full of goods. You can deliver all 3 in 10-20 minutes, just enough time to sell off another car from your vehicle warehouse. And I have no trouble inviting a random or 2 to help me deliver and pick up special cargo. Making a million in an hour or so isn't hard at all.

"If you have your warehouse full"

Except you can't fill a warehouse in an hour. You also act like Special Crates are easy to come by, let alone frequently drop.

Once again, it's like people that act like it's so easy haven't even played the fucking game or their math is completely fucked.
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dodgefan91 posted...

If you can't grind out a few million in that time, you're doing something wrong.

A few million doesn't buy you shit in GTA Online though.
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For real. I did the grind so much that it felt like a job for like two months and I had about 8 million, and that was basically just enough to get the basic bunker, the MOC with the attachments to modify weapons, and a single vehicle.

I don't think anyone in here quite comprehends how much the Gunrunning shit actually costs. It's 5 million alone just to get the clothing options (although, I never buy all of the clothes cause I think that's for suckers)

Upgrading your gun just to be able to add attachments is around 150k for each of the guns, then the modifications are running anywhere between 50-100k per attachment.

That's not even on top of the wait time to unlock said attachments, or you can just pay another 250k to "fast track" the upgrades from your research center.
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Gamer99z posted...

Funkdamental posted...

Gamer99z posted...

He's talking about GTA IV which had no gun or car customization, a limited variety, and only had helicopters.

Wow. Glad I didn't persevere with GTA IV beyond the first few missions -- I couldn't stand the vehicle physics and loathed the muddy, fuzzy graphics.

Yeah IV is hot garbage imo. Easily the worst 3D main entry.

It was great for graphics at the time for a gta and the new engine was impressive but how they stripped away and sacrificed so much is why I hated IV, the gameplay was also kinda weird but the lack of so much is what made it so bad.

The dlc TL&D along with TBoGT helped show fans they understood the problem but GTA V was the true apology to fans as in IV it was "this is the realistic GTA, we're being all serious here".

The real bitch was all the assholes who were claiming GTA IV was so much better then GTA 3, VC, and SA and that GTA IV "stripped away the fat"(all the customization, features, multiple envirements, etc) to focus on better physics and graphic power. It was a sad time to be a GTA fan when 4 was the new/latest game. The missions were also not nearly as fun, and the reason people fondly remember "Three Leaf Clover" the mission is because it was one of the few "wow this is kick ass" missions in GTA IV.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

nativengine posted...

$100,000 for one car sale takes 10 minutes tops. Special cargo if you have your warehouse full can sell for a million easily if you have at least 1 of the special crates and 3 trucks full of goods. You can deliver all 3 in 10-20 minutes, just enough time to sell off another car from your vehicle warehouse. And I have no trouble inviting a random or 2 to help me deliver and pick up special cargo. Making a million in an hour or so isn't hard at all.

"If you have your warehouse full"

Except you can't fill a warehouse in an hour. You also act like Special Crates are easy to come by, let alone frequently drop.

Once again, it's like people that act like it's so easy haven't even played the fucking game or their math is completely fucked.

Never said you could fill your warehouse in an hour now did I? You sure as fuck can sell all of it in no time. And again, never said special crates were frequent, but having a few is a bonus no doubt. Selling two high end vehicles is an easy 150-180k. I also steal a car in between to sell for 5-7k just cause.

nativengine posted...

Never said you could fill your warehouse in an hour now did I? You sure as f*** can sell all of it in no time. And again, never said special crates were frequent, but having a few is a bonus no doubt. Selling two high end vehicles is an easy 150-180k. I also steal a car in between to sell for 5-7k just cause.

No, but when you imply making millions is "easy" and can be done in "an hour" by this method you're being disingenuous or stupid.

So basically, you're not making a million in an hour like you state if you have to put in a ton of work to make said million in an hour.
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Special Crates are a waste of time and money.

Everyone knows that alternating VIP Work and Import/Export is quick cash.
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