Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 2 - I want to have adventures.

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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Frankly if Red is town, it is straight-up bad play to even mildly insinuate that someone's history in this game is something other than it is. You know full well there are people in this game who haven't played in years or are new, and don't necessarily know how to read people from the beginning. I know the defense here is "well I didn't read the topic" but you can't convince me you didn't even read the player list at some point in the last week.

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##Vote: Red

More I think about it, the more it feels like this is a more fruitful direction to pursue.

I can't even figure out what you are referring to here kbm. Its like you are referring to two different events in the game and mixing them together.

Then I'm assuming you still haven't read the last topic. >_>

I dod read the topic and i have no idea what you are referring to.

If you are talking about nana being an easy lynch it was not me that talked about his history. Him being an easy lynch has nothing to do with his history.

You said Nana was the easiest lynch here and it "wasn't even close."

Then you said you hadn't read the topic.

I'm referring to two separate events but they are literally both things that you said and should theoretically remember saying. I'm not going to bother to go back and quote them, but you can go back and look if you want. Neither of these things are things you didn't say, so what are you confused about?

I never said nana had a history of being lynched.

Being an easy lynch has everything to do with someone's history. Especially when you yourself admitted that you hadn't read the topic.

Nanahara715 posted...

I'm liking Leo as town based on ineformation he's been willing to offer up.

And I'm liking Immy as town as well, for now. The fact that he's insinuated that I'm scum puts him as town- he's historically liked to call me town and buddy up when he's scum. I don't know how that changes with a plethora of other players whom he has much more history with. Given that though, I'm unwilling to lynch either today.

What information from Leo are you referring to?

I'm kind of surprised by Nana's response to me. I expected town Nana to push back on my logic and scum Nana to ignore my post. I want exciting to get town read!
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Yeah, JZ is pretty cool (townie)
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dowolf posted...

my gut likes that triple post from KBM a lot.

just sayin'.

Shaduln posted...

Hi.

Also, rereading this topic has increased my read of KBM as town which is a good thing in my book.

Agreed, which I really like because I don't think I ever think KBM is town!
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Pfft I had that read before it was cool!
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Extremely comfortable leaving my vote on "I haven't read the topic but I'll tell you exactly who is the easiest lynch target and it's only based on what they're doing in the topic I haven't read".

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Being an easy lynch has everything to do with someone's history. Especially when you yourself admitted that you hadn't read the topic.

Not reading the topic was in my conversations with ffd. By the time nana discussion really took off i had probably read most of the topic. But him being an easy lynch has nothing specifically due to this game other than the player list.

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Extremely comfortable leaving my vote on "I haven't read the topic but I'll tell you exactly who is the easiest lynch target and it's only based on what they're doing in the topic I haven't read".

Wait what. Thats the exact opposite of what i have been saying.

htaeD posted...

MysteriousStan posted...

htaeD posted...

somehow I got to eager and posted before I finished

ehrm
I wanted too say, 'I dont even know why everyones talking about the most lynchable player'

Chris asked FFD who he'd try to misynch as scum. Then he threw the question to VI. And Scare added in his 2 cents after.

honestly I dont see why the question matters when mislynches are usually not up to anyone but the circumstances
allthough I will grant Chris that he (we) prepared Reds demise
and also that Chris is way more active now than he was in Puns' game, which is good

I never got the sense that Chris wasn't active last game?
I also don't think Chris is known for lurking as scum?

This reminds me of the post you had last game when I knew you were scum.
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And not exact opposite but people should know what i mean.

Also I'll elaborate chriss scumplay later got to go back to work remind me if i fo4get.

Leafeon13N posted...

But him being an easy lynch has nothing specifically due to this game other than the player list.

You're literally just adding more contradictions now.

Post #315:

You could have accused me of not reading the game, and I would have told you I hadn't read the game. I was at work and such. Literally just got home a bit ago and had to put myself together dinner which I am just sitting down to eat now.

This post would imply that he has still not read the game, because he just got home. Ten posts later:

Post #325:

Nana is literally the easiest lynch here. And its not close.

And then immediately afterwards:

Post #331:

Literally was not here. Nana is the type of player that will get himself lynched just by posting, and you damn well know it.

You also did not dispute people saying *after* this string of messages (including MI in #350) saying that you hadn't read the whole topic yet. Saying that Nana is the type of player that will get himself lynched just by posting is implying you have past experience with him doing just that, when others in the game have already confirmed that this has never happened. I don't care if you're a B8 "insider" or not, you are implying things to be true that aren't.

Ivan going to grab dinner (which is breakfast for me my sleep schedule is weird when I work weekend at night) and then I am going to tell everyone why voting res isn't smart.
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Red*
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Familiarity does not affect whether or not you're going to be a lynch target.

Leave it to Chris to bother me to provide content, wait until I do, and then say "anybody who's doing what KBM is doing isn't smart." Maybe your play hasn't changed that much!

Hey, go back to last topic where I made a note to town leader forever guy VI about his red vote.
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I'm mostly teasing, but you have to admit the déjà vu I'm feeling here is not exactly uncalled-for either :p

My Immortal posted...

htaeD posted...

MysteriousStan posted...

htaeD posted...

somehow I got to eager and posted before I finished

ehrm
I wanted too say, 'I dont even know why everyones talking about the most lynchable player'

Chris asked FFD who he'd try to misynch as scum. Then he threw the question to VI. And Scare added in his 2 cents after.

honestly I dont see why the question matters when mislynches are usually not up to anyone but the circumstances
allthough I will grant Chris that he (we) prepared Reds demise
and also that Chris is way more active now than he was in Puns' game, which is good

I never got the sense that Chris wasn't active last game?
I also don't think Chris is known for lurking as scum?

This reminds me of the post you had last game when I knew you were scum.

the first is a matter of perspective, and my point is that Chris is more involved here than he was in Puns game
at least early day1-wise.
and I didnt say that about the second, never thought it either. I just felt Chris was not a big presence day1

third, what post was that?
I dont like leaving vague accusations like that floating in the air
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It is best not to reinforce negative thought chains, as jokes contain a grain of truth. I am allowed to counterpoint still! Aww yeah playing mafia from work.
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also this is for Red

http://s15.zetaboards.com/zxcvbnmmnbvcxz/index/

really wasnt that much actively planned on there
we even almost missed a deadline for a NK once
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What do we want? VOTALS! When do we want them? VOTALS!!!
[2] Scare: Leo, Stan
[2] red: VI, KBM
[1] Jeff: Nana
[1] dowolf: Chris
[1] MI: puns
[1] Chris: (puns), Scare
[1] Nana: (Chris), KBM
[1] puns: Shad
[1] MysteriousStan: Han

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch (early). Day ends Monday at 9 PM CST (roughly 28 hours from now).
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I don't know that I ever said you weren't allowed to counterpoint! Now who's getting defensive, Sir Chris?

(Although at the same time if you're posting from work that does explain a certain amount of brusqueness. Looking forward to your full thoughts re: Red!)

I admit I do get defensive about how I used to treat people because I was a big asshole.
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htaeD posted...

My Immortal posted...

htaeD posted...

MysteriousStan posted...

htaeD posted...

somehow I got to eager and posted before I finished

ehrm
I wanted too say, 'I dont even know why everyones talking about the most lynchable player'

Chris asked FFD who he'd try to misynch as scum. Then he threw the question to VI. And Scare added in his 2 cents after.

honestly I dont see why the question matters when mislynches are usually not up to anyone but the circumstances
allthough I will grant Chris that he (we) prepared Reds demise
and also that Chris is way more active now than he was in Puns' game, which is good

I never got the sense that Chris wasn't active last game?
I also don't think Chris is known for lurking as scum?

This reminds me of the post you had last game when I knew you were scum.

the first is a matter of perspective, and my point is that Chris is more involved here than he was in Puns game
at least early day1-wise.
and I didnt say that about the second, never thought it either. I just felt Chris was not a big presence day1

third, what post was that?
I dont like leaving vague accusations like that floating in the air

So what does it matter if Chris is more active or not when his activity is independent of his alignment?

It was the post where you said 'brohan might be town because he voted (person who hasn't flipped yet) day 1'. It was asinine, as this seems to be.
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Slight change of plans. Instead of eating bacon I'll be eating dinner (breakfast) with a lady and then all mafia all night aww yiss

MI claims the "I was asleep" defense, a likely story. But, I like what he's bringing to the table about Nana.

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##Vote: Scare


Have at ye.

And my axe.

etc.

Question for Scare, I know it seems for the past few games I've seen you post in the sign ups saying you can't be as active as you usually would be. Is that the case again here? Would you describe your availability this game as "Below average", "Average", or "Above average"?
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I can always count on good ol' bng_mmmk
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Yeah upon thinking about it, my argument doesn't really hold I am dumb

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Scare train seems really peculiar. Might be worth keeping a tab on, both Scare himself and the people on him.
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What an odd thing to say
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Yeah, the comment about easiest lynch is probably based on the rest of the player list, not Nana himself
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Every player on Scare seems extremely isolated from the rest of the game, fwiw. Not really commentating on much else and instead hopping on Scare.

Nobody even really knows why I don't see many reasons for it! >_>
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While I'm not a fan of scare yet this game, those on him are not filling me with confidence
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Virtue - "You don't need a reason to Lynch Scare"

I think I've chimed in on several things since I've been around today.
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All I got from your content thus far is you are saying to vote Scare like he's Yuna in Final 3.
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VI typically you wait until I have the chance to post before unvoting.
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That was one post to Jeff. I said reasons I believe Nana and KBM to be town. And talking to Jeff has made him seem pretty dang townie

Not bad for a days work tbh

Anyway, seriously, we should just all bandwagon on Scare until he becomes obv town or dies.
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My Immortal posted...

htaeD posted...

My Immortal posted...

htaeD posted...

MysteriousStan posted...

htaeD posted...

somehow I got to eager and posted before I finished

ehrm
I wanted too say, 'I dont even know why everyones talking about the most lynchable player'

Chris asked FFD who he'd try to misynch as scum. Then he threw the question to VI. And Scare added in his 2 cents after.

honestly I dont see why the question matters when mislynches are usually not up to anyone but the circumstances
allthough I will grant Chris that he (we) prepared Reds demise
and also that Chris is way more active now than he was in Puns' game, which is good

I never got the sense that Chris wasn't active last game?
I also don't think Chris is known for lurking as scum?

This reminds me of the post you had last game when I knew you were scum.

the first is a matter of perspective, and my point is that Chris is more involved here than he was in Puns game
at least early day1-wise.
and I didnt say that about the second, never thought it either. I just felt Chris was not a big presence day1

third, what post was that?
I dont like leaving vague accusations like that floating in the air

So what does it matter if Chris is more active or not when his activity is independent of his alignment?

It was the post where you said 'brohan might be town because he voted (person who hasn't flipped yet) day 1'. It was asinine, as this seems to be.

because thats also not what I said. my most recent scumChris experience matters more to me than what he's done in the past. of course I am going to like Chris more if he acts differently in any way from how he did in Puns game

as for the Brohan thing, which doesnt even matter here, I am pretty sure I said more than that, but I cant even remember
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I have to own to my mistakes.

My argument wasn't as sound as I would have liked. It was weird to state (though I guess given the timing it was not) due to minimal player interaction, but then I just remember red does those things (Like state that town isn't lynching a certain player Day 1).

Thought it was a big chink in his armor, when it might have just been a pebble scattered across the shore instead and I'm way off
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Oh now you guys wanna talk Scare just before I leave. Heading out for the hockey game soon. Dunno how late I'm gonna stay after the game but I'll be up till like 5-6 EST anyway cause I too am on that night shift at work and I gotta keep that sleep schedule consistent!

VI, do you find it odd that Scare's list is pretty similar to your own other than Nana being thrown in there which feels just as easy to me?

Eh, not really

I don't think that's a really fruitful direction

Do you?
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been reading up on some lesser discussed players
and I cant resist bringing Shad up with a witty remark

Shaduln posted...

So, uh, I don't even remember Scare posting, is that bad?

probably, but then I dont remember you posting either!
Ba-zing!

really though, how long can a read-up take for Shad?
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I thought he eventually caught up?

Or maybe he's stuck in a wormhole?
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I just find it a little weird that you were on board with pressuring red until I said something, something really vague even, and that made you go "hold up, time to change my vote." It's like in boxing when a boxer is mid swing and think they are about to land a clean punch and their instinct tells them that this is exactly what the opponent wants and they are about to get counter punched and backs off. I don't see the town motivation in not waiting for my explanation if only to see what I had to say.

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##vote: VI

I don't like that at all, Mr. IsTownEveryTime.

Anyway for KBM and the rest of the game I noted VI's vote because there is a clear misunderstanding of red here because what's the scum motivation in calling Nana an easy lynch like that? And when has scum red ever been known to make up reads and tells on people? Scum red is a super schemer and he likes to plot things out long term, I immediately understood that he was passing judgment on Nana's style of play even if I don't agree with the judgment. This is the same guy that said FFD would be an easy lynch for this playerbase, so clearly Red is thinking this game has a lot more guts than previous the previous game where he called them all spineless (which was largely true)

So yeah red was thinking about nana and going "yeah, he's totally outclassed here." This is the strongest player list this board has likely seen in 5 years, so nana not being lynhed in lesser games doesn't matter for red's assessment.
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Was thinking of doing it for a little while actually, hardly noticed your statement
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