Current Events > Anti- Islamification protests in 30 US states

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Schwarber posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

Educating people by posting conspiracies or stuff that is just plain false

Are you a Scientologist or some shit? Is that what your gimmick is?

I'd be careful, that post you quoted is probably going to get modded. He tried to skirt the TOS but I think that one's a little overkill.

I'm not worried, if it gets modded I'll just delete mine
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Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

Seaman_Prime posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

Seaman_Prime posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

unpleasant_milk posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

That's not sharia law

It is in a sense

No it isn't in any sense at all, because it has zero legal power and can always be overruled by any legal council.

it doesn't need legal power to ruin the life of muslim women living in those communities

Okay...?

I never said it was a good thing, I said it wasn't sharia law. It's almost as if you're trying to move the goalpost or something

and you don't see the connection between sharia law and these councils?

No, because one has legal power and the other doesn't

How many times do I have to repeat this?

If these councils were able to overrul any other legal council then yes, it would be sharia. But they literally can't, and never can. It's. Not. Sharia.

and what law are these sharia councils interpreting when they deal with divorce cases and such? if you still can't see any connection just because they don't have legal power despite clearly having power within the community, then I might as well go argue with a brick wall.

DarkKitsune69 posted...

My friends are great muslims so every muslim is great!!

I already acknowledged there are groups of Muslims who take literal interpretations of certain parts of their text, and do commit oppressive acts. I have never doubted that, nor meant to make the point that a small handful of my friends are good, ergo, every Muslim is good.

I just think it is absolutely ridiculous to hold a stance such as every single Muslim is necessarily going to lie to me, because they're all sleeper cells, and if they aren't, well then they aren't real Muslims.

Meanwhile, courts all over the U.S. are allowing women to be raped because apparently we're Saudi Arabia now. Literally, there are 5 Muslims outside my house stoning a gay dude as we speak apparently. It's an epidemic!

It's absolutely fucking asinine. I'm just asking for a tempered stance. Nuance. Recognizing the complexity of human beings, belief, and culture? The fact that people warp what concepts or ideology stand for for their own personal or political gain? That makes any discussion talking about absolutes just not rooted in reality?

These guys are going full jihad (pun intended) on their stance against all Muslims.

In light of the fact that the internet contains "evidence" for every stance, belief, or position, no matter how fucking crazy or obscure, there is no convincing people of anything. It's all fucking confirmation bias. They will never do anything more than just look up a YouTube video that already supports what they think is going on and go, "Hah! See! I was right!" let alone ignoring the sheer impossibility of truly knowing what the beliefs of every single individual is.

These same people couldn't pin the nuances of half of CE's political opinions without resorting to labels like liberal, conservative, alt-right, etc.

Like I said, I already acknowledge there are groups of people that GAMER_X bring up. My whole point is the relative prevalence is something he is mistaken about, and the fact that he can't even have a non-black and white stance on this should be telling.
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Seaman_Prime posted...

That's not sharia law. Just because sharia law is referenced, doesn't mean that sharia law is in effect

Come back to me when they start being able to overrule other courts of law and you'll have a point
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unpleasant_milk posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Is Islamification going to be the new buzzword for people who want to bitch about brown people?

No it's to bitch about islamification and its negative effects in the western world.

so WTF is islamification?
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marc55 posted...

so WTF is islamification?

Read the thread. It's painfully obvious what they mean.
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marc55 posted...

unpleasant_milk posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Is Islamification going to be the new buzzword for people who want to bitch about brown people?

No it's to bitch about islamification and its negative effects in the western world.

so WTF is islamification?

Brown people
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Seaman_Prime posted...

and what law are these sharia councils interpreting when they deal with divorce cases and such? if you still can't see any connection just because they don't have legal power despite clearly having power within the community, then I might as well go argue with a brick wall.

I know.
It's like they have a blind spot and don't get it.

'It' being the fervent grip some 'community leaders' have in largely Islamic population areas. Adherence to sharia doctrine is essential unless you are prepared to either be shunned or worse. Going against the grain isn't tolerated and incurs penalties.
@-Gavirulax-?
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I love how the only arguments that these guys have are basically all ad hominems at this point lol
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shockthemonkey posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Islam absolutely has the right shit in their holy texts to convince people to act like pyschos. And the Wahhabists are absolutely disgusting and archaic.

So why are you not marching against their ideas on morality, enlisting allies from within Muslim communities who agree with you? Why are you building up the idea that Islam is incompatible with the West instead of working alongside Westernized Muslims who can demonstrate how to live faithfully in a secular place?

Wrong alt?
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JohnLennon6 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Islam absolutely has the right shit in their holy texts to convince people to act like pyschos. And the Wahhabists are absolutely disgusting and archaic.

So why are you not marching against their ideas on morality, enlisting allies from within Muslim communities who agree with you? Why are you building up the idea that Islam is incompatible with the West instead of working alongside Westernized Muslims who can demonstrate how to live faithfully in a secular place?

Wrong alt?

Having to quote yourself because right wingers are incapable of answering questions isn't something that's new to this site, or any site really
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shockthemonkey posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

JohnLennon6 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Islam absolutely has the right shit in their holy texts to convince people to act like pyschos. And the Wahhabists are absolutely disgusting and archaic.

So why are you not marching against their ideas on morality, enlisting allies from within Muslim communities who agree with you? Why are you building up the idea that Islam is incompatible with the West instead of working alongside Westernized Muslims who can demonstrate how to live faithfully in a secular place?

Wrong alt?

Having to quote yourself because right wingers are incapable of answering questions isn't something that's new to this site, or any site really

Don't respond to him, he has nothing to say

Yeah, I forgot this was that John Berba weirdo or whatever his name is
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Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

I love how the only arguments that these guys have are basically all ad hominems at this point lol

You mean legitimate and relevant points?
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unpleasant_milk posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

I love how the only arguments that these guys have are basically all ad hominems at this point lol

You mean legitimate and relevant points?

If they were legitimate and relevant, they wouldn't have been so easily debunked

Your biggest arguments were the sharia law in the U.K. (Which I proved didn't exist), the no go zones in Sweden (again, easily proven false) and the Idaho rape case (which never happened)
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teepan95 posted...

@unpleasant_milk posted...

MangaFan462 posted...

Islam must be very closely monitored

At the very least, this.

You say that like Islam is a homogeneous being.

How would you go about doing this?

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https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/873585839217008640
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Antifar posted...

https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/873585839217008640

Lmao
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unpleasant_milk posted...

You mean legitimate and relevant points?

Non-falsifiable claims are the logical equivalent of magic armor. It's impossible to speak to confirmation bias.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

edit:
For each accepted explanation of a phenomenon, there may be an extremely large, perhaps even incomprehensible, number of possible and more complex alternatives, because one can always burden failing explanations with ad hoc hypotheses to prevent them from being falsified; therefore, simpler theories are preferable to more complex ones because they are more testable.

Literally, talking with some of the people in this thread is like trying to inform someone gravity does in fact exist. No amount of evidence provided is satisfactory because it's all, "yeah, but, magically invisible hands are what's responsible."
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shockthemonkey posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

JohnLennon6 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Islam absolutely has the right shit in their holy texts to convince people to act like pyschos. And the Wahhabists are absolutely disgusting and archaic.

So why are you not marching against their ideas on morality, enlisting allies from within Muslim communities who agree with you? Why are you building up the idea that Islam is incompatible with the West instead of working alongside Westernized Muslims who can demonstrate how to live faithfully in a secular place?

Wrong alt?

Having to quote yourself because right wingers are incapable of answering questions isn't something that's new to this site, or any site really

Don't respond to him, he has nothing to say

I have contributed plenty to this topic.
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there's no concept of sharia law existing here in the states whatsoever. It's a wasted effort.

This is what ISIS wants. The right is so fucking stupid. Alienating Muslims isn't going to help anyone. ISIS doesn't care about them either. The more divided this country is and the more we bombs the hell out of the middle east and cause collateral damage to civilians, the more people ISIS recruits and commit terrorism, and it makes them easier to justify their terrorism against the west.

FYI the main victims of terrorism are the citizens in the middle east.
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Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

unpleasant_milk posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

I love how the only arguments that these guys have are basically all ad hominems at this point lol

You mean legitimate and relevant points?

If they were legitimate and relevant, they wouldn't have been so easily debunked

Your biggest arguments were the sharia law in the U.K. (Which I proved didn't exist), the no go zones in Sweden (again, easily proven false) and the Idaho rape case (which never happened)

Here's a fun hypothetical question: pretend you have a 17 year old daughter. She has to go on a foreign exchange trip to get enough credits to be accepted into the only college she wants to go to. The only place left on the list is a house in sweden (a country that does have verifiable statistics that place it as damn near the rape capital of its region in europe) that contains several 18-24 year old migrant muslim men. You can't do a background check on them because they came into the country with the shirts on their backs and have no paperwork or known history. If you send her you're essentially rolling the dice. Do you let her go?
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GAMER_X posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

unpleasant_milk posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

I love how the only arguments that these guys have are basically all ad hominems at this point lol

You mean legitimate and relevant points?

If they were legitimate and relevant, they wouldn't have been so easily debunked

Your biggest arguments were the sharia law in the U.K. (Which I proved didn't exist), the no go zones in Sweden (again, easily proven false) and the Idaho rape case (which never happened)

Here's a fun hypothetical question: pretend you have a 17 year old daughter. She has to go on a foreign exchange trip to get enough credits to be accepted into the only college she wants to go to. The only place left on the list is a house in sweden (a country that does have verifiable statistics that place it as damn near the rape capital of its region in europe) that contains several 18-24 year old migrant muslim men. You can't do a background check on them because they came into the country with the shirts on their backs and have no paperwork or known history. If you send her you're essentially rolling the dice. Do you let her go?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hoc_hypothesis
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I bet a lot of these protesters want to instate Evangelical Christian Sharia Law.
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Like seriously man, now you're just begging the question.

How many more logical fallacies are you going to employ?
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GAMER_X posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

unpleasant_milk posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

I love how the only arguments that these guys have are basically all ad hominems at this point lol

You mean legitimate and relevant points?

If they were legitimate and relevant, they wouldn't have been so easily debunked

Your biggest arguments were the sharia law in the U.K. (Which I proved didn't exist), the no go zones in Sweden (again, easily proven false) and the Idaho rape case (which never happened)

Here's a fun hypothetical question: pretend you have a 17 year old daughter. She has to go on a foreign exchange trip to get enough credits to be accepted into the only college she wants to go to. The only place left on the list is a house in sweden (a country that does have verifiable statistics that place it as damn near the rape capital of its region in europe) that contains several 18-24 year old migrant muslim men. You can't do a background check on them because they came into the country with the shirts on their backs and have no paperwork or known history. If you send her you're essentially rolling the dice. Do you let her go?

Can you actually argue your point without using fallacies?

To answer your question, I don't answer hypotheticals, especially ones that aren't based in reality
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Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

GAMER_X posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

unpleasant_milk posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

I love how the only arguments that these guys have are basically all ad hominems at this point lol

You mean legitimate and relevant points?

If they were legitimate and relevant, they wouldn't have been so easily debunked

Your biggest arguments were the sharia law in the U.K. (Which I proved didn't exist), the no go zones in Sweden (again, easily proven false) and the Idaho rape case (which never happened)

Here's a fun hypothetical question: pretend you have a 17 year old daughter. She has to go on a foreign exchange trip to get enough credits to be accepted into the only college she wants to go to. The only place left on the list is a house in sweden (a country that does have verifiable statistics that place it as damn near the rape capital of its region in europe) that contains several 18-24 year old migrant muslim men. You can't do a background check on them because they came into the country with the shirts on their backs and have no paperwork or known history. If you send her you're essentially rolling the dice. Do you let her go?

Can you actually argue your point without using fallacies?

To answer your question, I don't answer hypotheticals, especially ones that aren't based in reality

That's a no. So your conviction in your arguments sharply drop off a cliff if the consequences of your stances don't affect you. Big surprise there. Well see ya guys lol have fun I've seen all i need to see here
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Sweden is the "rape capital" because of how they record reported rapes, and it's been that way since long before the migrant influx you fucking clown
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People protesting a hateful ideology is bigotry. People protesting a white man going to work when black people demanded him not to is freedom fighting.
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GAMER_X posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

GAMER_X posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

unpleasant_milk posted...

Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

I love how the only arguments that these guys have are basically all ad hominems at this point lol

You mean legitimate and relevant points?

If they were legitimate and relevant, they wouldn't have been so easily debunked

Your biggest arguments were the sharia law in the U.K. (Which I proved didn't exist), the no go zones in Sweden (again, easily proven false) and the Idaho rape case (which never happened)

Here's a fun hypothetical question: pretend you have a 17 year old daughter. She has to go on a foreign exchange trip to get enough credits to be accepted into the only college she wants to go to. The only place left on the list is a house in sweden (a country that does have verifiable statistics that place it as damn near the rape capital of its region in europe) that contains several 18-24 year old migrant muslim men. You can't do a background check on them because they came into the country with the shirts on their backs and have no paperwork or known history. If you send her you're essentially rolling the dice. Do you let her go?

Can you actually argue your point without using fallacies?

To answer your question, I don't answer hypotheticals, especially ones that aren't based in reality

That's a no. So your conviction in your arguments sharply drop off a cliff if the consequences of your stances don't affect you. Big surprise there. Well see ya guys lol have fun I've seen all i need to see here

- Doesn't give an answer, at all, even gives a reason as to why he doesn't give answer

- "Ha, so that's a no! Take that liberals, haHAA!"

This is why nobody in the world takes American conservatives seriously
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Howl posted...

People protesting a hateful ideology is bigotry. People protesting a white man going to work when black people demanded him not to is freedom fighting.

Howl, you're drunk again

Go home
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ASithLord7 posted...

Sweden is the "rape capital" because of how they record reported rapes, and it's been that way since long before the migrant influx you fucking clown

>replying seriously
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teepan95 posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

Sweden is the "rape capital" because of how they record reported rapes, and it's been that way since long before the migrant influx you fucking clown

>replying seriously

I know you're not talking to me, but sometimes I just like to see how far they will push themselves lol
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GAMER_X posted...

Soviet_Poland posted...

GAMER_X posted...

In islam it is permissible to lie to a non muslim to advance the goals of islam. This is known as taqiyya. Your post just now made it clear you don't even know **** about islam and just go off what your muslim friends tell you. You don't even know what sharia law entails. You haven't educated yourself, or done any research. Don't cry racism and nazi when you have no idea wtf you're talking about on the subject

Lol get the fuck out. To presume you know anything about my friends just screams how fucking delusional you are. Like I'd ignore meaningful experiences for years over the shrieks of some random internet Looney toon.

It's incredibly convenient when you operate under the notion that every single person of a particular group is a liar and a secret soldier.

I already mentioned I acknowledge there are groups like you've mentioned or brought up. But there are examples of people who bastardize any ideology. That doesn't sweepingly translate across the entire board.

Like i already said, you don't know much about islam. Your friends aren't actual muslims, because islam commands true devotion and following of all the teachings and commands, which your friends obviously do not. Its not like other religions, it is literal and it is all or nothing. You're ignorant of what islam is and its pointless to try and get yuo on the same page on what actual islam is and how the majority of the muslims on the planet are, because you want to believe what you want to believe. So keep thinking whatever makes you happy, idgaf tbh

hmm so going by you any muslim who isnt extremist isnt a true muslim

i guess you think the same about the 50 clerics from pakistan who dennounced malala shooting arent "true muslims "either
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@GAMER_X, let me take another approach here.

Your stance on Islam is rooted in the concern for violence and a possible impingement on your values and way of life. Correct?

What if I told you I was 100% in agreement with you? That my desires are the same. Peace and a lack of impingement on my way of life.

Now that we acknowledge we're on the same side what if my only concern is the relative efficacy of our strategies?

Arcanine2009 brings up a good point. ISIS recruiters often prey on the locals who have suffered due to the collateral damage from the conflict. Whether the collateral came from ISIS themselves or western forces is somewhat irrelevant--there is necessarily collateral on all sides in war. Right?

Wouldn't it be smart for a recruiter to prey on some kid, who just lost his family, and conveniently blames us? It has nothing to do with his religion. The recruiter knows this, but he can even use this current narrative to his advantage. "Look, America doesn't care! GameFAQs even hates you!"

Given that we both want the same thing, is it fair to at least consider (not necessarily agree), that something like this happens?

Maybe it's possible to not be tolerant of some of the oppressive actions, whilst also not fueling future recruits? But that relies on not using the same tactics they do? Which is to create a barrier from everyone in the group?
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Muslims also aren't allowed to be friends or allies with non-muslims otherwise they are accused of being non-muslim. Islam itself is radical and was spread by deceit and by the sword and still does today.
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teepan95 posted...

teepan95 posted...

@unpleasant_milk posted...

MangaFan462 posted...

Islam must be very closely monitored

At the very least, this.

You say that like Islam is a homogeneous being.

How would you go about doing this?

Better intelligence gathering and monitoring from a wider net cast over known Islamic communities, their places of prayer, schools etc.
Proactively closing down suspect establishments and internment of its members to be intensely data mined.
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unpleasant_milk posted...

teepan95 posted...

teepan95 posted...

@unpleasant_milk posted...

MangaFan462 posted...

Islam must be very closely monitored

At the very least, this.

You say that like Islam is a homogeneous being.

How would you go about doing this?

Better intelligence gathering and monitoring from a wider net cast over known Islamic communities, their places of prayer, schools etc.
Proactively closing down suspect establishments and internment of its members to be intensely data mined.

Define 'suspect'
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Skatz95 posted...

Muslims also aren't allowed to be friends or allies with non-muslims otherwise they are accused of being non-muslim. Islam itself is radical and was spread by deceit and by the sword and still does today.

"You've been praying to Allah all this time! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!"
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bretonftw posted...

Skatz95 posted...

Muslims also aren't allowed to be friends or allies with non-muslims otherwise they are accused of being non-muslim. Islam itself is radical and was spread by deceit and by the sword and still does today.

"You've been praying to Allah all this time! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!"

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Skatz95 posted...

Muslims also aren't allowed to be friends or allies with non-muslims otherwise they are accused of being non-muslim. Islam itself is radical and was spread by deceit and by the sword and still does today.

This rarely happens. It's not a serious danger to non-Muslims anyway. Seems like more of a problem for Muslims that interact with hardliners.
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legendary_zell posted...

It's not a serious danger to non-Muslims anyway.

Itp radical Islam spreading through fear a squashing dissenters isn't a threat to anyone except for Muslims.
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Howl posted...

legendary_zell posted...

It's not a serious danger to non-Muslims anyway.

Itp radical Islam spreading through fear a squashing dissenters isn't a threat to anyone except for Muslims.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I was only commenting on the idea that Muslims are kept from being friends with non-Muslims. Not squashing dissent or whatever. It's not a good thing if it does happen, but it's not dangerous generally/.
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Islamification (in america at least) is just a fear mongering tactic to further Christiacation. They use the fear of terrorists to make people think the only way we will be safe is to give Christians more power. They are doing it for our own good.
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I did it! I got through all these fucking posts! Now to waste my time on things I actually enjoy doing. Cya!
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We need anti-religion rallies tbqh, not just ones against Islam. They're all cancerous and against progress.
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