Current Events > Why is "Islamaphobia" bad?

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Hating the teachings of Islam isn't the same as hating Muslims. Muslims that cherry pick the good parts of Islam are fantastic people and hold values that everyone in society should aspire to. However, there is nothing wrong with hating a teaching that says:

Kill the infidels wherever you find them - Quran 9:5

"Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." - Quran 9:29

"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;" - Quran 5:33

"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great." - Quran 4:34

But Christianity! And? If you hate the teachings on Christianity go for it. Be a Christianaphobe or whatever. You're not forced to agree with the teachings of the Bible.

Islamaphobia isn't an attack on Muslims. As I said Muslims that pick the non-violent and non-human right violating portions of the Quran are wonderful people. However, the people that follow the Quran as it is written in its entirety, such as following the aforementioned quotes from the Quran...those people are literally the worst people walking the planet today.
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History is littered with examples of why prejudging a demographic of people based on what they are (black, Jewish, gay...) rather than who they are turns out pretty bad.

Because "islamophobia" implies a dislike of the religion itself, regardless of how it is practiced. That is bad. :v Dislike the fundamentalists, not the faith itself. But fostering a blanket dislike for the religion in its entirety is just going to continue to divide people. We need to foster understanding and that is not how you do it.

Are you asking for a holy war or something?
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That's a lot of reassurance for justifying discriminatory practices. Seems like you're trying to convince yourself that you're not such a bad person.
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ManSpread posted...

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Damn scalpers.
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AugustAdoulin posted...

Because "islamophobia" implies a dislike of the religion itself, regardless of how it is practiced. That is bad. :v Dislike the fundamentalists, not the faith itself. But fostering a blanket dislike for the religion in its entirety is just going to continue to divide people. We need to foster understanding and that is not how you do it.

Are you asking for a holy war or something?

No, of course not. Having a distaste for a teaching that says to murder non-believers and to beat your wife, isn't a bad thing. Take conservatives, for example, let's assume it is factual that the conservatives do and push for evil agendas that harm society as a whole. Hating the conservative ideology isn't the same thing as hating someone who is a conservative. You can disagree and have distaste for the ideology without starting some kind of war with its followers.
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Twinmold posted...

That's a lot of reassurance for justifying discriminatory practices. Seems like you're trying to convince yourself that you're not such a bad person.

I don't advocate discrimination or violence against someone because that person is a Muslim. However the teaching itself. The written word of Islam is horrific.
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I agree with tc tbh. Like 99% of the followers of Islam are good people. But the religion itself needs some major work.
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Still don't understand why this term is still used.

A phobia, by definition, is an irrational fear of something.

The doctrine of Islam has plenty of rational concerns and fears that a sane individual should be aware of.
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ArchiePeck posted...

History is littered with examples of why prejudging a demographic of people based on what they are (black, Jewish, gay...) rather than who they are turns out pretty bad.

Those are immutable characteristics. Practicing Islam is a choice and an action. Comparing the religion you follow to something that is, at least mostly, a biological fact of your existence isn't really a valid compariosn.

AugustAdoulin posted...

Because "islamophobia" implies a dislike of the religion itself, regardless of how it is practiced. That is bad. :v Dislike the fundamentalists, not the faith itself. But fostering a blanket dislike for the religion in its entirety is just going to continue to divide people. We need to foster understanding and that is not how you do it.

Are you asking for a holy war or something?

Don't be ridiculous. Disliking even the most moderate forms of Islam is a valid position. So is disliking any other religion. We aren't obligated to be accepting of any religion or belief system except, perhaps, those founded on concrete evidence.
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Well, for starters, it's misspelt.
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Funkdamental posted...

Well, for starters, it's misspelt.

Apologies. My mistake.
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Why is harboring a hatred/fear against a whole group of people based on the extremists of said group bad?
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Posting in a genuine CE topic.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Why is harboring a hatred/fear against a whole group of people based on the extremists of said group bad?

That's not Islamophobia.
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ArchiePeck posted...

History is littered with examples of why prejudging a demographic of people based on what they are (black, Jewish, gay...) rather than who they are turns out pretty bad.

Being a Muslim is a pretty defining characteristic of who someone is.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Why is harboring a hatred/fear against a whole group of people based on the extremists of said group bad?

Because the people that don't follow the Quran as it is written in its entirety are typically wonderful people. What you're suggesting is a bad thing that no rational-minded person is arguing.
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What I don't understand is that atheists will defend, defend and defend the practice of Islam, but they will make a big stink about peaceful practice in Christianity.

The ironic things about it is that atheists only defend Islam because Christians are their mortal for or something and they know that Christianity and Islam sort of butt heads so they do everything in their power to defend Islam. Which is really quite sad honestly, they don't defend the people being driven from their homes because they think that they have the right to practice their religion, but because to the atheists, Islam is their ally in their war against Christians.
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Now that's what I call shitposting.
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Esrac posted...

Don't be ridiculous. Disliking even the most moderate forms of Islam is a valid position. So is disliking any other religion. We aren't obligated to be accepting of any religion or belief system except, perhaps, those founded on concrete evidence.

I never said it wasn't valid. I'm just saying it doesn't lead to anything good. :u I don't like Islam either. But I'm not going to discriminate against an entire religion because of that.
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Kineth posted...

Now that's what I call shitposting.

Don't forget to call it racist too.
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you are NOT aloud to not like something. you WILL like it...end of STORY
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Nomadic View posted...

Kineth posted...

Now that's what I call shitposting.

Don't forget to call it racist too.

It's bigoted, not racist.
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Kineth posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Kineth posted...

Now that's what I call shitposting.

Don't forget to call it racist too.

It's bigoted, not racist.

To hate an idea?
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Do you really need me to explain what bigotry is to you?
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Kineth posted...

Do you really need me to explain what bigotry is to you?

Yes, please do.
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Cause leftists demand it even though they hate Christianity.
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Ok... bigotry is hatred toward those who have different beliefs than you. Hating the idea itself is something else, but that's rarely (read:never) how Islamophobia or bigotry works since it's used to justify hatred toward the people who hold those beliefs.

Further explanation is a bigot tends to assume that every follower holds the same set of values that they hate.
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Kineth posted...

Ok... bigotry is hatred toward those who have different beliefs than you. Hating the idea itself is something else, but that's rarely (read:never) how Islamophobia or bigotry works since it's used to justify hatred toward the people who hold those beliefs.

I actively stated multiple times in this topic that hatred of Muslims is not tolerable. However, the topic is about the idea of Islam itself. The entire topic is about the idea of Islam, and yet you said that hatred of that is "something else."

Which is it? Is hating the idea "something else" or is it bigotry?

I think you simply didn't read the original post.
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How do you separate the followers from the religion then?
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Perascamin posted...

What I don't understand is that atheists will defend, defend and defend the practice of Islam, but they will make a big stink about peaceful practice in Christianity.

The ironic things about it is that atheists only defend Islam because Christians are their mortal for or something and they know that Christianity and Islam sort of butt heads so they do everything in their power to defend Islam. Which is really quite sad honestly, they don't defend the people being driven from their homes because they think that they have the right to practice their religion, but because to the atheists, Islam is their ally in their war against Christians.

Don't even pretend that Christianity is under attack in the west as much as Islam. That's the point; rational people defending a religion from persecution.

Try finding me atheists that would not want a Muslim travel ban but would support a Christian one. There is no double standard here.
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The "no true Irishman" argument. If someone follows sections of the Quran they like that are noble and they call themselves a Muslim, then I'll agree with them. Sure, you're a Muslim. The parts of the Quran that are vile and wicked are what I'm opposed to.

I explained all of this in the original post.
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Nomadic View posted...

The "no true Irishman" argument. If someone follows sections of the Quran they like that are noble and they call themselves a Muslim, then I'll agree with them. Sure, you're a Muslim. The parts of the Quran that are vile and wicked are what I'm opposed to.

I explained all of this in the original post.

Then that's not actually islamophobia, since you're considering people's personal beliefs, not making an assumption based on the faith itself. :v This whole topic is a farce!
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Nomadic View posted...

The "no true Irishman"

p. sure it's Scotsman
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AugustAdoulin posted...

Nomadic View posted...

The "no true Irishman" argument. If someone follows sections of the Quran they like that are noble and they call themselves a Muslim, then I'll agree with them. Sure, you're a Muslim. The parts of the Quran that are vile and wicked are what I'm opposed to.

I explained all of this in the original post.

Then that's not actually islamophobia, since you're considering people's personal beliefs, not making an assumption based on the faith itself. :v This whole topic is a farce!

This p much.
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AugustAdoulin posted...

Nomadic View posted...

The "no true Irishman" argument. If someone follows sections of the Quran they like that are noble and they call themselves a Muslim, then I'll agree with them. Sure, you're a Muslim. The parts of the Quran that are vile and wicked are what I'm opposed to.

I explained all of this in the original post.

Then that's not actually islamophobia, since you're considering people's personal beliefs, not making an assumption based on the faith itself. :v This whole topic is a farce!

I'm not making assumptions on the faith itself. I quoted exact verses from the Quran that says to murder non-believers and to beat your wife if she disobeys. That is not an assumption. That is an actual fact. Don't trust my word for it. Look them up. I provided the citation after each quote.
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"i just wanna hate mooselimbs in peace why can't you let me have that!!!!"
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Topics like these really bring out a lot of "smart idiots."
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mario2000 posted...

"i just wanna hate mooselimbs in peace why can't you let me have that!!!!"

The people that don't follow the Quran as it is written in its entirety are typically wonderful people. What you're suggesting is a bad thing that no rational-minded person is arguing.
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Nomadic View posted...

I'm not making assumptions on the faith itself. I quoted exact verses from the Quran that says to murder non-believers and to beat your wife if she disobeys. That is not an assumption. That is an actual fact. Don't trust my word for it. Look them up. I provided the citation after each quote.

yea, I know. I don't think you're an islamaphobe. :u
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Nomadic View posted...

mario2000 posted...

"i just wanna hate mooselimbs in peace why can't you let me have that!!!!"

The people that don't follow the Quran as it is written in its entirety are typically wonderful people. What you're suggesting is a bad thing that no rational-minded person is arguing.

this whole thing is literally a "one of the good ones" type of flawed argument

it's like saying "i like black people who don't act like thugs"
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Who hasn't tagged this guy yet?
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bretonftw posted...

Perascamin posted...

What I don't understand is that atheists will defend, defend and defend the practice of Islam, but they will make a big stink about peaceful practice in Christianity.

The ironic things about it is that atheists only defend Islam because Christians are their mortal for or something and they know that Christianity and Islam sort of butt heads so they do everything in their power to defend Islam. Which is really quite sad honestly, they don't defend the people being driven from their homes because they think that they have the right to practice their religion, but because to the atheists, Islam is their ally in their war against Christians.

Don't even pretend that Christianity is under attack in the west as much as Islam. That's the point; rational people defending a religion from persecution.

Try finding me atheists that would not want a Muslim travel ban but would support a Christian one. There is no double standard here.

Yeah, sure, Christianity isn't under attack, but you know as well as I do that atheists rise at every chance they get to "defeat" Christian things. The point I'm making is that atheists only defend Islam because Islam and Christianity butt heads with each other and Christianity is the mortal enemy of atheism. Atheism rejects religion of all kind, but among all religious groups, atheists hate Christianity the most.

Which is really quite shallow and pathetic in the lime-light as you realize most atheists are only defending Islam not out of the kindness of their heart, but because Christianity and Islam butt heads with each other. It's the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality.
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it's not bad because it's not even real.

criticism does not mean fear of something
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MakoReizei posted...

it's not bad because it's not even real.

criticism does not mean fear of something

Agreed.

One sentence in and you are wrong. It's not hating the teachings, it's hating the people that practice it. There is a huge difference between arguing that an idea is bad and arguing that the people are bad.

AugustAdoulin posted...

Because "islamophobia" implies a dislike of the religion itself, regardless of how it is practiced. That is bad. :v

No it isn't.
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