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Amputee
06/09/17 1:11:09 PM
#51:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Amputee posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Zero_Destroyer posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html

Holy shit this is just one of like 10 I pulled up in a few seconds looking.

Is this guy for real? The stupidity and delusion is so strong with this Amputee guy.


Do you understand the difference between a margin between candidates and a forecast on that candidate's likelihood of winning?


I never specified that. I said the polls had her winning never anything about margins. I said they had Hilary up 30-40% which they were dead wrong about.

You guys assumed I said she was up 30-40 points. The polls were wrong across the board and its not disputed by the majority of people.

Also idk why you think I'm a trump supporter, you couldn't be more wrong.


"Ya that's why she won about 2% more of the popular vote when polls had her up 30-40%." - your quote, post #29

Now go derp in the corner

The polls were absolutely correct.


30-40% and you quote me saying 30-40%.

What exactly did you just prove?


That you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. I'm not the only one who proved that.
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Zeeak4444
06/09/17 1:15:28 PM
#52:


Amputee posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Amputee posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Zero_Destroyer posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html

Holy shit this is just one of like 10 I pulled up in a few seconds looking.

Is this guy for real? The stupidity and delusion is so strong with this Amputee guy.


Do you understand the difference between a margin between candidates and a forecast on that candidate's likelihood of winning?


I never specified that. I said the polls had her winning never anything about margins. I said they had Hilary up 30-40% which they were dead wrong about.

You guys assumed I said she was up 30-40 points. The polls were wrong across the board and its not disputed by the majority of people.

Also idk why you think I'm a trump supporter, you couldn't be more wrong.


"Ya that's why she won about 2% more of the popular vote when polls had her up 30-40%." - your quote, post #29

Now go derp in the corner

The polls were absolutely correct.


30-40% and you quote me saying 30-40%.

What exactly did you just prove?


That you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. I'm not the only one who proved that.


If a poll says Hillary has an 85% chance of winning and she not only loses but only gets 2% more of the popular vote please enlighten me how that poll was accurate?

All you "proved" is that you're interpretation of a persons statement defines that statement in your delusional mind.

You can pretend all you want you're right but your not.

Zero was right, your just piggbacking off him because you lack the skills to make any meaningful argument yourself.
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Amputee
06/09/17 1:17:10 PM
#53:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Amputee posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Amputee posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Zero_Destroyer posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html

Holy shit this is just one of like 10 I pulled up in a few seconds looking.

Is this guy for real? The stupidity and delusion is so strong with this Amputee guy.


Do you understand the difference between a margin between candidates and a forecast on that candidate's likelihood of winning?


I never specified that. I said the polls had her winning never anything about margins. I said they had Hilary up 30-40% which they were dead wrong about.

You guys assumed I said she was up 30-40 points. The polls were wrong across the board and its not disputed by the majority of people.

Also idk why you think I'm a trump supporter, you couldn't be more wrong.


"Ya that's why she won about 2% more of the popular vote when polls had her up 30-40%." - your quote, post #29

Now go derp in the corner

The polls were absolutely correct.


30-40% and you quote me saying 30-40%.

What exactly did you just prove?


That you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. I'm not the only one who proved that.


If a poll says Hillary has an 85% chance of winning and she not only loses but only gets 2% more of the popular vote please enlighten me how that poll was accurate?

All you "proved" is that you're interpretation of a persons statement defines that statement.

You can pretend all you want you're right but your not.

Zero was right, your just piggbacking off him because you lack the skills to make any meaningful argument yourself.


Jesus Christ

No poll says Hillary or anyone has a chance of winning

That isn't what a poll is or does or measures

Fucks sake
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Amputee
06/09/17 1:17:48 PM
#54:


Tagged as "Ignorant AF"
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powerman1426
06/09/17 1:20:06 PM
#55:


Zeeak4444 posted...
All you "proved" is that your interpretation of a person's statement defines that statement.

You can pretend all you want you're right but you're not.

Zero was right, you're just piggbacking off him

Thought I'd help
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Amputee
06/09/17 1:20:24 PM
#56:


powerman1426 posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
All you "proved" is that your interpretation of a person's statement defines that statement.

You can pretend all you want you're right but you're not.

Zero was right, you're just piggbacking off him

Thought I'd help


Lol
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Zeeak4444
06/09/17 1:20:30 PM
#57:


Fucking semantics, what is it? You full well knew what I was refering to, sorry I didn't care enough to use the proper terminology like tons of other people.
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Zeeak4444
06/09/17 1:22:16 PM
#58:


Amputee posted...
Tagged as "Ignorant AF"


Literally made a topic where one of the most major points was that Lynch asked Comey to back off Hillary which he then did and your talking about how it was a bombshell against trump...

Call me whatever you want, that's about all you have going for you.
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Amputee
06/09/17 1:23:37 PM
#59:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Fucking semantics, what is it? You full well knew what I was refering to, sorry I didn't care enough to use the proper terminology like tons of other people.


You should be because proper terminology and the correct use of said terms is important.

The aggregate of all polls had Hillary winning the popular vote by about 2%.

She won by 2%.

They were 100% accurate. Nobody gives a fuck,about what sites say about a "chance" to win, and that isn't a poll.

Now I suggest you drop it lest you wish to look worse
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powerman1426
06/09/17 1:24:10 PM
#60:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Fucking semantics, what is it? You full well knew what I was refering to, sorry I didn't care enough to use the proper terminology like tons of other people.

So you made an incorrect statement and it's other people's fault for not understanding? Interesting
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Amputee
06/09/17 1:24:57 PM
#61:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Amputee posted...
Tagged as "Ignorant AF"


Literally made a topic where one of the most major points was that Lynch asked Comey to back off Hillary which he then did and your talking about how it was a bombshell against trump...

Call me whatever you want, that's about all you have going for you.


Hillary is irrelevant. If you think that was the big takeaway from the testimony, then I am correct about you

Git gud.
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Zeeak4444
06/09/17 1:29:29 PM
#62:


Amputee posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Amputee posted...
Tagged as "Ignorant AF"


Literally made a topic where one of the most major points was that Lynch asked Comey to back off Hillary which he then did and your talking about how it was a bombshell against trump...

Call me whatever you want, that's about all you have going for you.


Hillary is irrelevant. If you think that was the big takeaway from the testimony, then I am correct about you

Git gud.


lol it's really not when that was the only real piece of new information we got aside from the extent of the hacking.

You believe whatever you want about me if that makes you feel better, I personally don't care about you. I care about the content and a discussion of it, not some bullshit baby feel better about himself opinion.

You haven't discussed any of the actual content, you've targeted my grammar on a cellphone and the semantics of one term I used. You must be so proud of yourself.
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Amputee
06/09/17 1:30:04 PM
#63:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Amputee posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Amputee posted...
Tagged as "Ignorant AF"


Literally made a topic where one of the most major points was that Lynch asked Comey to back off Hillary which he then did and your talking about how it was a bombshell against trump...

Call me whatever you want, that's about all you have going for you.


Hillary is irrelevant. If you think that was the big takeaway from the testimony, then I am correct about you

Git gud.


lol it's really not when that was the only real piece of new information we got aside from the extent of the hacking.

You believe whatever you want about me if that makes you feel better, I personally don't care about you. I care about the content and a discussion of it, not some bullshit baby feel better about himself opinion.

You haven't discussed any of the actual content, you've target my grammar on a cellphone and the semantics of one term I used. You must be so proud of yourself.


Why are you still going, drop it and save some dignity
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Zeeak4444
06/09/17 1:33:05 PM
#64:


powerman1426 posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Fucking semantics, what is it? You full well knew what I was refering to, sorry I didn't care enough to use the proper terminology like tons of other people.

So you made an incorrect statement and it's other people's fault for not understanding? Interesting


And I apologized about it. Continuing to focus on it is there fault. Once it was cleared up the content should be the forefront of the argument again.

I don't even really care, I could be compeltly wrong. I'm just curious why everyone bitched at 538, CNN, and all the others about their flawed and inaccurate polls the following month.

If you know more on the subject then please explain what all that outrage was about. Was it because people expected a different result and that was it? Please enlighten me.
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powerman1426
06/09/17 1:35:05 PM
#65:


I corrected your grammar not him. I used my cell phone to do it too lol, being able to write coherently and use correct terminology to make your point goes a long way. Arguing your point with incorrect facts does nothing for you.
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Zeeak4444
06/09/17 1:37:22 PM
#66:


powerman1426 posted...
I corrected your grammar not him. I used my cell phone to do it too lol, being able to write coherently and use correct terminology to make your point goes a long way. Arguing your point with incorrect facts does nothing for you.


Dude, we all know this. I'm not gonna apologize for writing fast today. Yes I know it was poor form. Yes I know it's terrible and only makes things worse.

Now that that's covered can you address my actual question since you guys obviously study the subject more in depth than myself..

So why the outrage?
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Mr_MacPhisto
06/09/17 1:37:35 PM
#67:


Is this the beginning of the end for Trump?!
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Amputee
06/09/17 1:38:19 PM
#68:


Zeeak4444 posted...
powerman1426 posted...
I corrected your grammar not him. I used my cell phone to do it too lol, being able to write coherently and use correct terminology to make your point goes a long way. Arguing your point with incorrect facts does nothing for you.


Dude, we all know this. I'm not gonna apologize for writing fast today. Yes I know it was poor form. Yes I know it's terrible and only makes things worse.

Now that that's covered can you address my actual question since you guys obviously study the subject more in depth than myself..

So why the outrage?


What outrage?
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Zeeak4444
06/09/17 1:40:14 PM
#69:


Amputee posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
powerman1426 posted...
I corrected your grammar not him. I used my cell phone to do it too lol, being able to write coherently and use correct terminology to make your point goes a long way. Arguing your point with incorrect facts does nothing for you.


Dude, we all know this. I'm not gonna apologize for writing fast today. Yes I know it was poor form. Yes I know it's terrible and only makes things worse.

Now that that's covered can you address my actual question since you guys obviously study the subject more in depth than myself..

So why the outrage?


What outrage?


All the people mad at 538, CNN, NYT, MSNBC, etc with how inaccurate their polls were.

That was discussed over and over again throughout November and a ton of December.

I watched CNN address and apologize (to an extent) themselves a few times regarding it.
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argonautweakend
06/09/17 1:42:27 PM
#70:


AlephZero posted...
Amputee posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
I'll enjoy the liberal tears when absolutely nothing comes of this and Trump stays president for 8 years. Just like the election only better because their idiocy will be amplified


Why do you think a president who is polling at 34% would get re-elected? What kind of delusion requires this dumb prediction?

the polls say trump will lose you say

i haven't heard that one before



Gallup didnt make election polls, so try again

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

http://time.com/4067019/gallup-horse-race-polling/
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Amputee
06/09/17 1:43:00 PM
#71:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Amputee posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
powerman1426 posted...
I corrected your grammar not him. I used my cell phone to do it too lol, being able to write coherently and use correct terminology to make your point goes a long way. Arguing your point with incorrect facts does nothing for you.


Dude, we all know this. I'm not gonna apologize for writing fast today. Yes I know it was poor form. Yes I know it's terrible and only makes things worse.

Now that that's covered can you address my actual question since you guys obviously study the subject more in depth than myself..

So why the outrage?


What outrage?


All the people mad at 538, CNN, NYT, MSNBC, etc with how inaccurate their polls were.

That was discussed over and over again throughout November and a ton of December.

I watched CNN address and apologize (to an extent) themselves a few times regarding it.


The polls were not wrong. Please don't make me explain this again.

What you are referring to is a prediction based on the polls, which has already been explained to you.

CNN did never apologize for their polling, that is false. Their polling was correct.

You continue to confuse a prediction with a poll.
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Zeeak4444
06/09/17 1:46:34 PM
#72:


Amputee posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Amputee posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
powerman1426 posted...
I corrected your grammar not him. I used my cell phone to do it too lol, being able to write coherently and use correct terminology to make your point goes a long way. Arguing your point with incorrect facts does nothing for you.


Dude, we all know this. I'm not gonna apologize for writing fast today. Yes I know it was poor form. Yes I know it's terrible and only makes things worse.

Now that that's covered can you address my actual question since you guys obviously study the subject more in depth than myself..

So why the outrage?


What outrage?


All the people mad at 538, CNN, NYT, MSNBC, etc with how inaccurate their polls were.

That was discussed over and over again throughout November and a ton of December.

I watched CNN address and apologize (to an extent) themselves a few times regarding it.


The polls were not wrong. Please don't make me explain this again.

What you are referring to is a prediction based on the polls, which has already been explained to you.

CNN did never apologize for their polling, that is false. Their polling was correct.

You continue to confuse a prediction with a poll.


So they're completely seperate?

All the close and wide spread predictions for the election came from the same 2% disparity?

So they apologized for their predictions? They definitely aplogized, I watched Coop himself do it, Erin, and Brooke.

They might have apologized for the prediction then or whatever but I don't see why the polls/predictions were focused on for a month and a half afterwards if that's all it was, a prediction on a 2% disparity.
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argonautweakend
06/09/17 1:46:47 PM
#73:


IIRC, when I checked 538 the day before the election they had 70/30 in favor of clinton.

trump winning doesnt make them wrong. Kind of like people who said the patriots have a 99% chance of losing at halftime werent wrong. The people who said they definitely would lose were wrong though.
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Monday
06/09/17 1:47:50 PM
#74:


Questionmarktarius posted...
it's yet another "This will definitely get Trump impeached!" that just ended up being a meaningless waste of time for everyone involved.

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Amputee
06/09/17 1:51:09 PM
#75:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Amputee posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Amputee posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
powerman1426 posted...
I corrected your grammar not him. I used my cell phone to do it too lol, being able to write coherently and use correct terminology to make your point goes a long way. Arguing your point with incorrect facts does nothing for you.


Dude, we all know this. I'm not gonna apologize for writing fast today. Yes I know it was poor form. Yes I know it's terrible and only makes things worse.

Now that that's covered can you address my actual question since you guys obviously study the subject more in depth than myself..

So why the outrage?


What outrage?


All the people mad at 538, CNN, NYT, MSNBC, etc with how inaccurate their polls were.

That was discussed over and over again throughout November and a ton of December.

I watched CNN address and apologize (to an extent) themselves a few times regarding it.


The polls were not wrong. Please don't make me explain this again.

What you are referring to is a prediction based on the polls, which has already been explained to you.

CNN did never apologize for their polling, that is false. Their polling was correct.

You continue to confuse a prediction with a poll.


So they're completely seperate?

All the close and wide spread predictions for the election came from the same 2% disparity?

So they apologized for their predictions? They definitely aplogized, I watched Coop himself do it, Erin, and Brooke.

They might have apologized for the prediction then or whatever but I don't see why the polls/predictions were focused on for a month and a half afterwards if that's all it was, a prediction on a 2% disparity.


If you have 100 polls and nearly all of them had Hillary at about +2 points, why do you not understand how she was predicted to win?

Post proof of them apologizing for their prediction, the same prediction EVERYBODY had.
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Zeeak4444
06/09/17 1:53:56 PM
#76:


argonautweakend posted...
IIRC, when I checked 538 the day before the election they had 70/30 in favor of clinton.

trump winning doesnt make them wrong. Kind of like people who said the patriots have a 99% chance of losing at halftime werent wrong. The people who said they definitely would lose were wrong though.


Ya that was where most of my confusion came from. They're right though, looking at some articles it all focused on the predictions being wrong not the polls being wrong. I thought they were more related than they are I suppose.

My fault. Im guessing the outrage was just upset about losing and not the actual numbers being off like was portrayed. My apologies.
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Questionmarktarius
06/09/17 1:56:03 PM
#77:


Amputee posted...
If you have 100 polls and nearly all of them had Hillary at about +2 points, why do you not understand how she was predicted to win?

I suspect a bit of internet-era news-circlejerk was involved, where everyone is citing everyone else, while the true origin of the "fact" is dodgy or completely forgotten.

If a tiny newspaper blog in nowhere Wisconsin is reporting a ten-point Hillary lead, a combination of confirmation bias and the 24-hour newscycle will cause it to snowball rapidly.
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Zeeak4444
06/09/17 1:57:53 PM
#78:


Amputee posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Amputee posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Amputee posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
powerman1426 posted...
I corrected your grammar not him. I used my cell phone to do it too lol, being able to write coherently and use correct terminology to make your point goes a long way. Arguing your point with incorrect facts does nothing for you.


Dude, we all know this. I'm not gonna apologize for writing fast today. Yes I know it was poor form. Yes I know it's terrible and only makes things worse.

Now that that's covered can you address my actual question since you guys obviously study the subject more in depth than myself..

So why the outrage?


What outrage?


All the people mad at 538, CNN, NYT, MSNBC, etc with how inaccurate their polls were.

That was discussed over and over again throughout November and a ton of December.

I watched CNN address and apologize (to an extent) themselves a few times regarding it.


The polls were not wrong. Please don't make me explain this again.

What you are referring to is a prediction based on the polls, which has already been explained to you.

CNN did never apologize for their polling, that is false. Their polling was correct.

You continue to confuse a prediction with a poll.


So they're completely seperate?

All the close and wide spread predictions for the election came from the same 2% disparity?

So they apologized for their predictions? They definitely aplogized, I watched Coop himself do it, Erin, and Brooke.

They might have apologized for the prediction then or whatever but I don't see why the polls/predictions were focused on for a month and a half afterwards if that's all it was, a prediction on a 2% disparity.


If you have 100 polls and nearly all of them had Hillary at about +2 points, why do you not understand how she was predicted to win?

Post proof of them apologizing for their prediction, the same prediction EVERYBODY had.


It wasn't about her being predicted to win. I was confused why people were outraged she didn't win, no I understand it probably had less to do with the numbers and more to do with the emotions.

I can't post proof in the form of an article. It was during their respective segments. Like I said it was apologizeig to an extent, it wasn't "I'm sorry we were wrong" it was more along the lines of "we're all upset about the result, we believed it was gonna be different and we're wrong" or something similar.

It's not a big deal I was just trying to understand the whole thing a little better all around.
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