Current Events > When has this whole trans thing started?

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I mean, when has it become so mainstream that half the people on facebook are now of some kind of alternate gender?

I was kind of living under a rock with my studies so it's like one day I return to social media and I'm like... wait, wtf is going on?
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It became big when the media started claiming they were brave for being trans.

Also Bruce Jenner got away with murder and even got a bravery medal or some shit because he transitioned.
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people are getting sick of gender norms
unsurprising

I didn't really react much when Bruce Jenner announced the transition because that's something that's existed for a while... this whole issue of having difficulties since childhood because they weren't in the right body, etc. But it was exceptional, like something that happened to a few people once in a while.

But now its.... I don't know it's like you can't get 30 people together without one of them having some kind of alternate gender.
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The Transformers is a half-hour American animated television series which originally aired from September 17, 1984 to November 11, 1987. The first of many series in the Transformers franchise, it was based upon Hasbro's Transformers toy line (itself based upon the Diaclone and Microman toy lines originally created by Japanese toy manufacturer Takara[3]) and depicts a war among giant robots that can transform into vehicles and other objects.[4]

Co-produced between Marvel Productions and Sunbow Productions for first-run syndication, animation for the series was predominantly done by Toei Animation in Japan, and AKOM in South Korea. The series was supplemented by a feature film, The Transformers: The Movie (1986), taking place between the second and third seasons.

This series is also popularly referred to as "Generation 1", a term originally coined by fans in response to the re-branding of the franchise as Transformers: Generation 2 in 1992, which eventually made its way into official use.[citation needed]

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They've always existed, people have just started acknowledging that.
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Probably after the Supreme Court decision legalizing gay marriage people naturally wanted to move on to another sexuality rights topic

l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...

They've always existed, people have just started acknowledging that.

People like Jenner always existed, sure, I think there's a name for that.... it's actually a medical issue where your brain is just not wired the same way as your physical gender.

No issue with that.

But you telling me that genderfluids or whatever other dozens of new genders out there have always existed?
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leverageblargh posted...

What were you studying that required you to go live under a rock

Well I was finishing law school and working a job at the same time to pay for it, and whatever free time I had left after that was for my girlfriend who literally wanted me to take her shopping all the time. I barely even had the time to check my email once a day
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It seems like people are more open to talk about these things now than before, so I assume there were degrees of this that happened to some people for as long as culture has existed.

*shrug*
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frozenshock posted...

But you telling me that genderfluids or whatever other dozens of new genders out there have always existed?

Idk maybe, intersex people have always existed

Illuminoius posted...

people are getting sick of gender norms
unsurprising

Lol

Haldol posted...

Illuminoius posted...

people are getting sick of gender norms
unsurprising

Lol

I'm pretty sure people are getting sick of trans
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Well my dad thinks it's girly and lady like to cook.

That sort of mentality permeates society and warps people's minds.

If your whole life you liked doing ballet but we're told it was only for girls, it would make you think you should've been a girl. It's stupid, it's arbitraey, and I think most of it would go away if we backed off of gender norms.

Chicken posted...

It became big when the media started claiming they were brave for being trans.

Also Bruce Jenner got away with murder and even got a bravery medal or some shit because he transitioned.

I wouldn't say people are brave for being trans. I would say it is brave to come out as trans, considering so many reactions are like yours and the tc's, and that's in their personal lives and not just the internet as well. Transgender people are the new most accepted target of prejudice after gay people became relatively more mainstream.

As for "half the people on facebook"... the transgender/non cisgender population is estimated to be like .3% of the population. Maybe if you live in a more liberal area people will be more comfortable coming out and you'll encounter them more. Younger people are also more likely to report themselves as trans afaik, though I think this is more because of cultural acceptance than an increase in transgender people

I know two transwomen offline and one transman and one transwoman online. I also know a couple of agender and genderqueer people. I knew all of them before they came out, though a few only casually. I know a lot of people, and I'm in the liberal bastion of L.A. so people are more accepting here. It's honestly been hard for me to accept intellectually not because I think there are just men and women, or because I equate sex with gender (I don't), but because I'm of the school of thought that abhors concepts of gender in the first place as confining and illegitimate. I've mostly reconciled the trust I have in my friends, some of whom I have talked to extensively about it and whom I believe to be sincere and of sound mind, with this belief.

For what it's worth I was born as and identify as a male. I'm certainly not transgender. At the same time, though, I don't really feel "male" and reject a lot of the stereotypes (technically all of them on principle). I have some traits traditionally considered feminine, and my interests run the gamut. I'm not what one would normally call agender or genderqueer though because my feelings on my maleness or lack thereof are somewhat intellectual, and have no strong psychological or emotional foundation. Ultimately I think we're individuals before we are men or women; I am fundamentally different from everyone else, though there might be some similarities, and the same can be said of everyone else. We are shaped by out experiences, which includes our upbringing and our exposure to the society we inhabit, and, ultimately, we can, should, and do decide who we are and what we are like. I'm a big believer in self-actualization.

Basically I think trans people can be and generally are legitimate, based off of my own interactions and a fair amount of personal research, but I think it's more complicated than that. Too be fair, though, I think most things are more complex than most people give credit to.
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MrZAP17 posted...

For what it's worth I was born as and identify as a male. I'm certainly not transgender. At the same time, though, I don't really feel "male" and reject a lot of the stereotypes (technically all of them on principle). I have some traits traditionally considered feminine, and my interests run the gamut. I'm not what one would normally call agender or genderqueer though because my feelings on my maleness or lack thereof are somewhat intellectual, and have no strong psychological or emotional foundation. Ultimately I think we're individuals before we are men or women; I am fundamentally different from everyone else, though there might be some similarities, and the same can be said of everyone else. We are shaped by out experiences, which includes our upbringing and our exposure to the society we inhabit, and, ultimately, we can, should, and do decide who we are and what we are like. I'm a big believer in self-actualization.

Stereotypes are one thing but I don't see the leap between disagreeing with gender stereotypes (I do too, most of them are outdated) and being an alternate gender.

I mean, just because a girl disagrees with the female gender roles in society doesn't mean she's not a girl but rather some kind of alternate gender.

The way I see it, someone who has a gender identity problem will feel uncomfortable in their bodies regardless of what society says, it's just an internal issue that the body they have is not right for them. But to imply that you are an alternate gender as soon as you disagree with outdated 1950s gender roles I find kind of a stretch
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Perascamin posted...

Haldol posted...

Illuminoius posted...

people are getting sick of gender norms
unsurprising

Lol

I'm pretty sure people are getting sick of trans

Huge lack of self awareness there


Pretty sure the standard person is sick of all this gender fluidity crap being shoved in everyone faces
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I'm not "sick of it" I'm trying to understand because I find it pretty confusing TBH
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AlisLandale posted...

The Transformers is a half-hour American animated television series which originally aired from September 17, 1984 to November 11, 1987. The first of many series in the Transformers franchise, it was based upon Hasbro's Transformers toy line (itself based upon the Diaclone and Microman toy lines originally created by Japanese toy manufacturer Takara[3]) and depicts a war among giant robots that can transform into vehicles and other objects.[4]

Co-produced between Marvel Productions and Sunbow Productions for first-run syndication, animation for the series was predominantly done by Toei Animation in Japan, and AKOM in South Korea. The series was supplemented by a feature film, The Transformers: The Movie (1986), taking place between the second and third seasons.

This series is also popularly referred to as "Generation 1", a term originally coined by fans in response to the re-branding of the franchise as Transformers: Generation 2 in 1992, which eventually made its way into official use.[citation needed]

Goddamn! Take my upvote, kind sir!
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frozenshock posted...

MrZAP17 posted...

For what it's worth I was born as and identify as a male. I'm certainly not transgender. At the same time, though, I don't really feel "male" and reject a lot of the stereotypes (technically all of them on principle). I have some traits traditionally considered feminine, and my interests run the gamut. I'm not what one would normally call agender or genderqueer though because my feelings on my maleness or lack thereof are somewhat intellectual, and have no strong psychological or emotional foundation. Ultimately I think we're individuals before we are men or women; I am fundamentally different from everyone else, though there might be some similarities, and the same can be said of everyone else. We are shaped by out experiences, which includes our upbringing and our exposure to the society we inhabit, and, ultimately, we can, should, and do decide who we are and what we are like. I'm a big believer in self-actualization.

Stereotypes are one thing but I don't see the leap between disagreeing with gender stereotypes (I do too, most of them are outdated) and being an alternate gender.

I mean, just because a girl disagrees with the female gender roles in society doesn't mean she's not a girl but rather some kind of alternate gender.

The way I see it, someone who has a gender identity problem will feel uncomfortable in their bodies regardless of what society says, it's just an internal issue that the body they have is not right for them. But to imply that you are an alternate gender as soon as you disagree with outdated 1950s gender roles I find kind of a stretch

You're basically restating my point. I thought I explicitly said that I think disagreeing with stereotypes and feeling dysmorphic are different. Both are valid for different reasons. Like I said I don't consider myself anything but male, psychologically.

I just think it would be better if we delegitimized gender roles altogether. Differences between how men and women think aren't nonexistent but as far as I can tell relatively minor. This is something of a separate issue than gender identity, though, because as far as I can tell it doesn't have much of anything to do with conforming to gender roles.

tl;dr We agree.
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It's weird how bitter dorks on the net take pride in bigotry.
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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...

They've always existed, people have just started acknowledging that.

No, they are just being ridiculously over represented to an extreme degree now. They literally are less than 1% of the population.
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Howl posted...

l33t_iRk3n_Rm33 posted...

They've always existed, people have just started acknowledging that.

No, they are just being ridiculously over represented to an extreme degree now. They literally are less than 1% of the population.

Are you sure they're over-represented i.e. more than 1% is reporting as trans and it's not reactionaries overestimating the number of people out as trans?
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J E S U S posted...

being shoved in everyone faces

oh, you're one of those people

Illuminoius posted...

J E S U S posted...

being shoved in everyone faces

oh, you're one of those people

Is this better or worse than "shoved down our throats"? I suppose technically it isn't force-feeding.
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Illuminoius posted...

J E S U S posted...

being shoved in everyone faces

oh, you're one of those people

don't talk that way to Jesus.
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Twinmold posted...

It's weird how bitter dorks on the net take pride in bigotry.

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Twinmold posted...

It's weird how bitter dorks on the net take pride in bigotry.

It's all they have since the rest of society shuns them too

some of it is real, some of it is mental illness

I don't have a problem with trans people, but you can't tell me some of those "genders" can even be real things
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The concept of transgenderism has been a thing forever. The earliest transgender reference i can offer to you is Lili Elbe who was a trans woman from the late 1800s. There is also the very old myth of Tiresias, a man turned into a woman for the act of killing a snake. There was another occurence in the 200s where Roman Emperor Elagabalus sought out gender reassignment surgery and even had relationships with men.

Allisonata posted...

The concept of transgenderism has been a thing forever. The earliest transgender reference i can offer to you is Lili Elbe who was a trans woman from the late 1800s. There is also the very old myth of Tiresias, a man turned into a woman for the act of killing a snake. There was another occurence in the 200s where Roman Emperor Elagabalus sought out gender reassignment surgery and even had relationships with men.

Not to mention incidences in many other cultures.

Haldol posted...

Allisonata posted...

The concept of transgenderism has been a thing forever. The earliest transgender reference i can offer to you is Lili Elbe who was a trans woman from the late 1800s. There is also the very old myth of Tiresias, a man turned into a woman for the act of killing a snake. There was another occurence in the 200s where Roman Emperor Elagabalus sought out gender reassignment surgery and even had relationships with men.

Not to mention incidences in many other cultures.

Like two spirit people in different Native American tribes.

J E S U S posted...

Perascamin posted...

Haldol posted...

Illuminoius posted...

people are getting sick of gender norms
unsurprising

Lol

I'm pretty sure people are getting sick of trans

Huge lack of self awareness there


Pretty sure the standard person is sick of all this gender fluidity crap being shoved in everyone faces

Older people aren't quite aware of gender fluidity. These types of things are something they relate to "Trans" because that's all they've really heard about it.
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Illuminoius posted...

people are getting sick of gender norms
unsurprising

What people?
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I know someone who looks like a 15 year old guy but is actually a 20 yr. old female. I don't understand why? 15 yr. old guys have it tough sometimes.
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