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Garioshi 05/31/17 11:53:14 PM #1:	If The Father = God and God = The Son, we can logically deduce that The Father = The Son. But the diagram specifically states that The Father =/= The Son. By the principle of noncontradiction, either the Trinity is false or logic itself is false. Additionally, since The Father = God and The Son = God and The Father =/= The Son, God =/= God. ...Did I just debunk Christianity? --- "The only things I can trust right now are myself and this big gun." - Eric from Zero Time Dilemma <cite>Garioshi posted [p:880183516] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote> If The Father = God and God = The Son, we can logically deduce that The Father = The Son. But the diagram specifically states that The Father =/= The Son. By the principle of noncontradiction, either the Trinity is false or logic itself is false. Additionally, since The Father = God and The Son = God and The Father =/= The Son, God =/= God. ...Did I just debunk Christianity?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garioshi 05/31/17 11:54:31 PM #2:	wut --- "The only things I can trust right now are myself and this big gun." - Eric from Zero Time Dilemma <cite>Garioshi posted [p:880183589] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote> wut</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 05/31/17 11:55:34 PM #3:	Garioshi posted... wut God is trying to stop you --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:880183633] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote> wut</quote> God is trying to stop you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medz1986 05/31/17 11:56:32 PM #4:	Of you have a child you are a father. If you have parents you are a son/daughter. <cite>Medz1986 posted [p:880183672] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>Of you have a child you are a father. If you have parents you are a son/daughter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garioshi 05/31/17 11:59:27 PM #5:	Medz1986 posted... Of you have a child you are a father. If you have parents you are a son/daughter. what does this have to do with the holy trinity --- "The only things I can trust right now are myself and this big gun." - Eric from Zero Time Dilemma <cite>Garioshi posted [p:880183855] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Medz1986 posted...</cite> <quote>Of you have a child you are a father. If you have parents you are a son/daughter.</quote> what does this have to do with the holy trinity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sinroth 06/01/17 12:07:45 AM #6:	Is 1+1 the same as 2? In one sense yes, but in another sense no; they are syntactically different. I hope this illustrates the philosophical danger in treating natural language "is" as corresponding to a single logical operator. Garioshi posted... logic itself is false. Which one? :^) --- I live in a big house and it's handy to have a pair of running shoes so that it doesn't take me forever to get from one area of the house to another. <cite>Sinroth posted [p:880184288] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>Is 1+1 the same as 2? In one sense yes, but in another sense no; they are syntactically different. I hope this illustrates the philosophical danger in treating natural language "is" as corresponding to a single logical operator. <cite>Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote>logic itself is false.</quote> Which one? :^)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/01/17 12:09:19 AM #7:	I mean, it doesn't track with human logic but that's the whole point. Christians will argue that God does not run on human logic because he trasncends our reality. There isn't really anything to argue that hasn't been argued to death for the last few thousand years. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:880184362] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>I mean, it doesn't track with human logic but that's the whole point. Christians will argue that God does not run on human logic because he trasncends our reality. There isn't really anything to argue that hasn't been argued to death for the last few thousand years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garioshi 06/01/17 12:11:07 AM #8:	Sinroth posted... Is 1+1 the same as 2? In one sense yes, but in another sense no; they are syntactically different. I hope this illustrates the philosophical danger in treating natural language "is" as corresponding to a single logical operator. Garioshi posted... logic itself is false. Which one? :^) 1+1 = 2 21 = 2 1+1 =/= 21 2 =/= 2 Don't understand what's so hard to comprehend here, this logic is still faulty. --- "The only things I can trust right now are myself and this big gun." - Eric from Zero Time Dilemma <cite>Garioshi posted [p:880184451] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sinroth posted...</cite> <quote>Is 1+1 the same as 2? In one sense yes, but in another sense no; they are syntactically different. I hope this illustrates the philosophical danger in treating natural language "is" as corresponding to a single logical operator. <cite>Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote>logic itself is false.</quote> Which one? :^)</quote> 1+1 = 2 21 = 2 1+1 =/= 21 2 =/= 2 Don't understand what's so hard to comprehend here, this logic is still faulty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 06/01/17 12:15:00 AM #9:	God is beyond logic. That's pretty obvious. But the Holy Trinity is weird. It's only sort of implied a few times in the Bible. And there's nothing to say that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit aren't separate from each other. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:880184613] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>God is beyond logic. That's pretty obvious. But the Holy Trinity is weird. It's only sort of implied a few times in the Bible. And there's nothing to say that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit aren't separate from each other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/01/17 12:17:03 AM #10:	Damn_Underscore posted... God is beyond logic. That's pretty obvious. But the Holy Trinity is weird. It's only sort of implied a few times in the Bible. And there's nothing to say that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit aren't separate from each other. There are also some smaller Christian groups that don't agree with it. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:880184721] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>God is beyond logic. That's pretty obvious. But the Holy Trinity is weird. It's only sort of implied a few times in the Bible. And there's nothing to say that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit aren't separate from each other.</quote> There are also some smaller Christian groups that don't agree with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sinroth 06/01/17 12:18:31 AM #11:	Garioshi posted... Sinroth posted... Is 1+1 the same as 2? In one sense yes, but in another sense no; they are syntactically different. I hope this illustrates the philosophical danger in treating natural language "is" as corresponding to a single logical operator. Garioshi posted... logic itself is false. Which one? :^) 1+1 = 2 21 = 2 1+1 =/= 21 2 =/= 2 Don't understand what's so hard to comprehend here, this logic is still faulty. Come again? Sorry, I don't really understand what you've written, or what it's supposed to mean. But anyways, consider this statement: "The triangle is green." This is a valid use of "is", but it corresponds to a different logical operator than the one seen in "2 is 1+1". The "is" in "2 is 1+1" is a statement of identity: "2" and "1+1" are the same thing. But the "is" in "The triangle is green" is not identifying "the triangle" with the concept of green-ness; rather, it is ascribing the concept of green-ness to a particular triangle. These are two different, valid uses of the word "is", but understanding them requires you to parse them into two different logical operators. The argument in your OP seems to be parsing the statement of the trinity as an identity statement, whereas a theologian would probably say it's better parsed as a predicate ascribing properties to God. I assume; I'm neither Christian, nor a theologian. --- I live in a big house and it's handy to have a pair of running shoes so that it doesn't take me forever to get from one area of the house to another. <cite>Sinroth posted [p:880184776] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sinroth posted...</cite> <quote>Is 1+1 the same as 2? In one sense yes, but in another sense no; they are syntactically different. I hope this illustrates the philosophical danger in treating natural language "is" as corresponding to a single logical operator. <cite>Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote>logic itself is false.</quote> Which one? :^)</quote> 1+1 = 2 21 = 2 1+1 =/= 21 2 =/= 2 Don't understand what's so hard to comprehend here, this logic is still faulty.</quote> Come again? Sorry, I don't really understand what you've written, or what it's supposed to mean. But anyways, consider this statement: "The triangle is green." This is a valid use of "is", but it corresponds to a different logical operator than the one seen in "2 is 1+1". The "is" in "2 is 1+1" is a statement of identity: "2" and "1+1" are the same thing. But the "is" in "The triangle is green" is not identifying "the triangle" with the concept of green-ness; rather, it is ascribing the concept of green-ness to a particular triangle. These are two different, valid uses of the word "is", but understanding them requires you to parse them into two different logical operators. The argument in your OP seems to be parsing the statement of the trinity as an identity statement, whereas a theologian would probably say it's better parsed as a predicate ascribing properties to God. I assume; I'm neither Christian, nor a theologian.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Albel-Nox 06/01/17 12:20:06 AM #12:	Looks like the jokes on you. --- I'll set them up, you knock them down. <cite>Albel-Nox posted [p:880184848] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>Looks like the jokes on you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garioshi 06/01/17 12:20:15 AM #13:	Sinroth posted... Garioshi posted... Sinroth posted... Is 1+1 the same as 2? In one sense yes, but in another sense no; they are syntactically different. I hope this illustrates the philosophical danger in treating natural language "is" as corresponding to a single logical operator. Garioshi posted... logic itself is false. Which one? :^) 1+1 = 2 21 = 2 1+1 =/= 21 2 =/= 2 Don't understand what's so hard to comprehend here, this logic is still faulty. Come again? Sorry, I don't really understand what you've written, or what it's supposed to mean. But anyways, consider this statement: "The triangle is green." This is a valid use of "is", but it corresponds to a different logical operator than the one seen in "2 is 1+1". The "is" in "2 is 1+1" is a statement of identity. "2" and "1+1" are the same thing. But the "is" in "The triangle is green" is not identifying "the triangle" with the concept of green-ness. Instead, it is ascribing the concept of green-ness ot a particular triangle. These are two different, valid uses of the word "is", but understanding them requires you to parse them into two different logical operators. The argument in your OP seems to be parsing the statement of the trinity as an identity statement, whereas a theologian would probably say it's better parsed as a predicate ascribing properties to God. I assume; I'm neither Christian, nor a theologian. But God, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are all separate entities. That would be like saying "The octopus is Arkansas" in your analogy. --- "The only things I can trust right now are myself and this big gun." - Eric from Zero Time Dilemma <cite>Garioshi posted [p:880184855] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sinroth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sinroth posted...</cite> <quote>Is 1+1 the same as 2? In one sense yes, but in another sense no; they are syntactically different. I hope this illustrates the philosophical danger in treating natural language "is" as corresponding to a single logical operator. <cite>Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote>logic itself is false.</quote> Which one? :^)</quote> 1+1 = 2 21 = 2 1+1 =/= 21 2 =/= 2 Don't understand what's so hard to comprehend here, this logic is still faulty.</quote> Come again? Sorry, I don't really understand what you've written, or what it's supposed to mean. But anyways, consider this statement: "The triangle is green." This is a valid use of "is", but it corresponds to a different logical operator than the one seen in "2 is 1+1". The "is" in "2 is 1+1" is a statement of identity. "2" and "1+1" are the same thing. But the "is" in "The triangle is green" is not identifying "the triangle" with the concept of green-ness. Instead, it is ascribing the concept of green-ness ot a particular triangle. These are two different, valid uses of the word "is", but understanding them requires you to parse them into two different logical operators. The argument in your OP seems to be parsing the statement of the trinity as an identity statement, whereas a theologian would probably say it's better parsed as a predicate ascribing properties to God. I assume; I'm neither Christian, nor a theologian.</quote> But God, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are all separate entities. That would be like saying "The octopus is Arkansas" in your analogy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sinroth 06/01/17 12:28:01 AM #15:	Garioshi posted... But God, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are all separate entities. That would be like saying "The octopus is Arkansas" in your analogy. I think you need to explain what you mean by separate entities, or we might go round in circles. But a response might be: the statement of the trinity isn't a statement of identity. It isn't saying three distinct entities are the same as one other distinct entity. It is ascribing properties to one distinct entity. For example, 1) Water is H2O. 2) Ice is H2O. 3) Ice is water. Nonsensical if you read this as saying H2o, water, and ice are the exact same thing. But perfectly sensible if you read this as ascribing properties: "Water has the property of being comprised of H20", "Ice has the property of being comprised of water", etc. This is probably more in-line with what the trinity says. --- I live in a big house and it's handy to have a pair of running shoes so that it doesn't take me forever to get from one area of the house to another. <cite>Sinroth posted [p:880185223] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote>But God, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit are all separate entities. That would be like saying "The octopus is Arkansas" in your analogy.</quote> I think you need to explain what you mean by separate entities, or we might go round in circles. But a response might be: the statement of the trinity isn't a statement of identity. It isn't saying three distinct entities are the same as one other distinct entity. It is ascribing properties to one distinct entity. For example, 1) Water is H2O. 2) Ice is H2O. 3) Ice is water. Nonsensical if you read this as saying H2o, water, and ice are the exact same thing. But perfectly sensible if you read this as ascribing properties: "Water has the property of being comprised of H20", "Ice has the property of being comprised of water", etc. This is probably more in-line with what the trinity says.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Albel-Nox 06/01/17 2:47:44 AM #16:	Albel-Nox posted... Looks like the jokes on you. I would say GG to you @Shotgunnova, but I'm sure lies would only deepen your despair. --- I'll set them up, you knock them down. <cite>Albel-Nox posted [p:880189998] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Albel-Nox posted...</cite> <quote>Looks like the jokes on you.</quote> I would say GG to you @Shotgunnova, but I'm sure lies would only deepen your despair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LysistrataMedea 06/01/17 2:50:10 AM #17:	Garioshi posted... If The Father = God and God = The Son, we can logically deduce that The Father = The Son. But the diagram specifically states that The Father =/= The Son. By the principle of noncontradiction, either the Trinity is false or logic itself is false. Additionally, since The Father = God and The Son = God and The Father =/= The Son, God =/= God. ...Did I just debunk Christianity? wtf? blue is a colour and green is a colour but green is not blue --- yeah yeah those punks are tough <cite>LysistrataMedea posted [p:880190069] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote> If The Father = God and God = The Son, we can logically deduce that The Father = The Son. But the diagram specifically states that The Father =/= The Son. By the principle of noncontradiction, either the Trinity is false or logic itself is false. Additionally, since The Father = God and The Son = God and The Father =/= The Son, God =/= God. ...Did I just debunk Christianity?</quote> wtf? blue is a colour and green is a colour but green is not blue</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shotgunnova 06/01/17 2:56:50 AM #18:	Albel-Nox posted... Albel-Nox posted... Looks like the jokes on you. I would say GG to you @Shotgunnova, but I'm sure lies would only deepen your despair. ??? --- Take me down from the ridge where the summer ends And watch the city spread out just like a jet's flame <cite>Shotgunnova posted [p:880190259] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Albel-Nox posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Albel-Nox posted...</cite> <quote>Looks like the jokes on you.</quote> I would say GG to you @Shotgunnova, but I'm sure lies would only deepen your despair.</quote>???</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KogaSteelfang 06/01/17 3:03:11 AM #19:	I always figured it was equivalent to the 3 parts that make a person. Body, soul, and spirit. They are 3 distinct parts, but all form the essence of a human. So, it stands to reason that Jesus/Son = Body. Holy Spirit, while called a Spirit, fits more with a soul. A soul is the mind/intellect, and the Holy Spirit works as a guiding force for mankind. The Father = Spirit. The eternal, powerful, supernatural force that operates on a different plane from the physical(body and mind). Whatever form of life God is can function in all 3 separately and simultaneously. He simply sent his body to Earth, then replaced that with the Holy Spirit later. --- What did the pirate say on his 80th birthday? Aye Matey! <cite>KogaSteelfang posted [p:880190415] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>I always figured it was equivalent to the 3 parts that make a person. Body, soul, and spirit. They are 3 distinct parts, but all form the essence of a human. So, it stands to reason that Jesus/Son = Body. Holy Spirit, while called a Spirit, fits more with a soul. A soul is the mind/intellect, and the Holy Spirit works as a guiding force for mankind. The Father = Spirit. The eternal, powerful, supernatural force that operates on a different plane from the physical(body and mind). Whatever form of life God is can function in all 3 separately and simultaneously. He simply sent his body to Earth, then replaced that with the Holy Spirit later.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hash-Brown 06/01/17 3:04:17 AM #20:	Think of it as God the Gamer, Jesus the character, and the Holy Spirit as the edit mode. --- http://i.imgur.com/wuFm3hd.jpg - My Hash Brownies. http://i.imgur.com/mQ7syoS.gif http://i.imgur.com/lY3erBp.jpg <cite>Hash-Brown posted [p:880190438] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>Think of it as God the Gamer, Jesus the character, and the Holy Spirit as the edit mode.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Legendia 06/01/17 3:11:19 AM #21:	Shotgunnova posted... Albel-Nox posted... Albel-Nox posted... Looks like the jokes on you. I would say GG to you @Shotgunnova, but I'm sure lies would only deepen your despair. ??? You lost, even while cheating. A man would of took the L and ran for the training room. A woman would not respond to this, or reply passive aggressively while simultaneously skirting the actual issue. --- Spirit of Albel-Nox <cite>Mr_Legendia posted [p:880190621] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Shotgunnova posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Albel-Nox posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Albel-Nox posted...</cite> <quote>Looks like the jokes on you.</quote> I would say GG to you @Shotgunnova, but I'm sure lies would only deepen your despair.</quote>???</quote> You lost, even while cheating. A man would of took the L and ran for the training room. A woman would not respond to this, or reply passive aggressively while simultaneously skirting the actual issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/01/17 4:19:57 AM #22:	Hash-Brown posted... Think of it as God the Gamer, Jesus the character, and the Holy Spirit as the edit mode. I think the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is more cheat codes. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:880192095] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hash-Brown posted...</cite> <quote>Think of it as God the Gamer, Jesus the character, and the Holy Spirit as the edit mode.</quote> I think the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is more cheat codes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
istmirechtegal 06/01/17 4:36:06 AM #23:	It´s like discussing the Brother Grimm Fairy Tales --- I can't profess to understand God's plan, Christ promised the resurrection of the dead. I just thought he had something a little different in mind. <cite>istmirechtegal posted [p:880192412] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>It´s like discussing the Brother Grimm Fairy Tales</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hash-Brown 06/01/17 4:41:55 AM #24:	Dash_Harber posted... Hash-Brown posted... Think of it as God the Gamer, Jesus the character, and the Holy Spirit as the edit mode. I think the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is more cheat codes. Cheat codes can only do so much. --- http://i.imgur.com/wuFm3hd.jpg - My Hash Brownies. http://i.imgur.com/mQ7syoS.gif http://i.imgur.com/lY3erBp.jpg <cite>Hash-Brown posted [p:880192519] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hash-Brown posted...</cite> <quote>Think of it as God the Gamer, Jesus the character, and the Holy Spirit as the edit mode.</quote> I think the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is more cheat codes.</quote> Cheat codes can only do so much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/01/17 4:59:32 AM #25:	Hash-Brown posted... Dash_Harber posted... Hash-Brown posted... Think of it as God the Gamer, Jesus the character, and the Holy Spirit as the edit mode. I think the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is more cheat codes. Cheat codes can only do so much. So can an edit mode =/. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:880192849] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hash-Brown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hash-Brown posted...</cite> <quote>Think of it as God the Gamer, Jesus the character, and the Holy Spirit as the edit mode.</quote> I think the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is more cheat codes.</quote> Cheat codes can only do so much.</quote> So can an edit mode =/.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hash-Brown 06/01/17 6:00:52 AM #26:	Dash_Harber posted... Hash-Brown posted... Dash_Harber posted... Hash-Brown posted... Think of it as God the Gamer, Jesus the character, and the Holy Spirit as the edit mode. I think the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is more cheat codes. Cheat codes can only do so much. So can an edit mode =/. I'm talking developer level edit menu. --- http://i.imgur.com/wuFm3hd.jpg - My Hash Brownies. http://i.imgur.com/mQ7syoS.gif http://i.imgur.com/lY3erBp.jpg <cite>Hash-Brown posted [p:880193914] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hash-Brown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hash-Brown posted...</cite> <quote>Think of it as God the Gamer, Jesus the character, and the Holy Spirit as the edit mode.</quote> I think the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is more cheat codes.</quote> Cheat codes can only do so much.</quote> So can an edit mode =/.</quote> I'm talking developer level edit menu.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/01/17 6:15:51 AM #27:	Hash-Brown posted... Dash_Harber posted... Hash-Brown posted... Dash_Harber posted... Hash-Brown posted... Think of it as God the Gamer, Jesus the character, and the Holy Spirit as the edit mode. I think the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is more cheat codes. Cheat codes can only do so much. So can an edit mode =/. I'm talking developer level edit menu. Ah, but then there is some other being that created the game that the God/the player is playing. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:880194171] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hash-Brown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hash-Brown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hash-Brown posted...</cite> <quote>Think of it as God the Gamer, Jesus the character, and the Holy Spirit as the edit mode.</quote> I think the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is more cheat codes.</quote> Cheat codes can only do so much.</quote> So can an edit mode =/.</quote> I'm talking developer level edit menu.</quote> Ah, but then there is some other being that created the game that the God/the player is playing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hash-Brown 06/01/17 6:26:52 AM #28:	Dash_Harber posted... Hash-Brown posted... Dash_Harber posted... Hash-Brown posted... Dash_Harber posted... Hash-Brown posted... Think of it as God the Gamer, Jesus the character, and the Holy Spirit as the edit mode. I think the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is more cheat codes. Cheat codes can only do so much. So can an edit mode =/. I'm talking developer level edit menu. Ah, but then there is some other being that created the game that the God/the player is playing. Unless God created the game. --- http://i.imgur.com/wuFm3hd.jpg - My Hash Brownies. http://i.imgur.com/mQ7syoS.gif http://i.imgur.com/lY3erBp.jpg <cite>Hash-Brown posted [p:880194357] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hash-Brown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hash-Brown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hash-Brown posted...</cite> <quote>Think of it as God the Gamer, Jesus the character, and the Holy Spirit as the edit mode.</quote> I think the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is more cheat codes.</quote> Cheat codes can only do so much.</quote> So can an edit mode =/.</quote> I'm talking developer level edit menu.</quote> Ah, but then there is some other being that created the game that the God/the player is playing.</quote> Unless God created the game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Returning_CEmen 06/01/17 6:28:50 AM #29:	Jesus was an extension of God on Earth. So The Son does = The Father --- http://i.imgtc.com/BOhYeOg.jpg <cite>Returning_CEmen posted [p:880194400] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>Jesus was an extension of God on Earth. So The Son does = The Father</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
awesome999 06/01/17 6:29:10 AM #30:	Maybe there are the gods ~~Lol I actually said that~~ --- When it's kids, it's "bullying" but if it were adults, it's stalking, harassment, assault, criminal threats and just general abuse. -Tmk <cite>awesome999 posted [p:880194405] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>Maybe there are the gods Lol I actually said that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/01/17 6:33:39 AM #31:	Hash-Brown posted... Dash_Harber posted... Hash-Brown posted... Dash_Harber posted... Hash-Brown posted... Dash_Harber posted... Hash-Brown posted... Think of it as God the Gamer, Jesus the character, and the Holy Spirit as the edit mode. I think the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is more cheat codes. Cheat codes can only do so much. So can an edit mode =/. I'm talking developer level edit menu. Ah, but then there is some other being that created the game that the God/the player is playing. Unless God created the game. But in the original analogy, God was the player. Mindbreak! <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:880194482] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hash-Brown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hash-Brown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hash-Brown posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hash-Brown posted...</cite> <quote>Think of it as God the Gamer, Jesus the character, and the Holy Spirit as the edit mode.</quote> I think the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is more cheat codes.</quote> Cheat codes can only do so much.</quote> So can an edit mode =/.</quote> I'm talking developer level edit menu.</quote> Ah, but then there is some other being that created the game that the God/the player is playing.</quote> Unless God created the game.</quote> But in the original analogy, God was the player. Mindbreak!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dash_Harber 06/01/17 6:35:06 AM #33:	M_Live posted... The Holy Spirit = a spooky ghost It's more like God's own personal brand of The Force. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:880194508] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>M_Live posted...</cite> <quote>The Holy Spirit = a spooky ghost</quote> It's more like God's own personal brand of The Force.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BoyOfBattle 06/01/17 6:45:14 AM #34:	no but you did debunk your intelligence --- DIEHARD CAVS FAN: '07-'10, '14-FOREVER Cavs. Lil Bron. The Klove. Kyrie "Julius" Irving. we already won. <cite>BoyOfBattle posted [p:880194697] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>no but you did debunk your intelligence</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hash-Brown 06/01/17 6:51:16 AM #35:	Dash_Harber posted... But in the original analogy, God was the player. Mindbreak! So a game developer can't play his own game? --- http://i.imgur.com/wuFm3hd.jpg - My Hash Brownies. http://i.imgur.com/mQ7syoS.gif http://i.imgur.com/lY3erBp.jpg <cite>Hash-Brown posted [p:880194819] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>But in the original analogy, God was the player. Mindbreak!</quote> So a game developer can't play his own game?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeltaRayquaza 06/01/17 9:53:29 AM #36:	LysistrataMedea posted... Garioshi posted... If The Father = God and God = The Son, we can logically deduce that The Father = The Son. But the diagram specifically states that The Father =/= The Son. By the principle of noncontradiction, either the Trinity is false or logic itself is false. Additionally, since The Father = God and The Son = God and The Father =/= The Son, God =/= God. ...Did I just debunk Christianity? wtf? blue is a colour and green is a colour but green is not blue That implies that The Son, The Father, and The Holy Spirit are all separate gods when they are explicitly one. --- I'm Garioshi. I haven't bothered getting this alt to Veteran in 4 years. <cite>DeltaRayquaza posted [p:880200543] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>LysistrataMedea posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote> If The Father = God and God = The Son, we can logically deduce that The Father = The Son. But the diagram specifically states that The Father =/= The Son. By the principle of noncontradiction, either the Trinity is false or logic itself is false. Additionally, since The Father = God and The Son = God and The Father =/= The Son, God =/= God. ...Did I just debunk Christianity?</quote> wtf? blue is a colour and green is a colour but green is not blue</quote> That implies that The Son, The Father, and The Holy Spirit are all separate gods when they are explicitly one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 06/01/17 9:57:50 AM #37:	You're confusing the sense of the word "is". My lunchbox is black. My keyboard is black. But my lunchbox is not my keyboard. My lunchbox and my keyboard both belong to the set of all things with black color. But neither defines black. It's a bad diagram, since it implies the "is" works both ways. It's not supposed to. --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:880200744] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>You're confusing the sense of the word "is". My lunchbox is black. My keyboard is black. But my lunchbox is not my keyboard. My lunchbox and my keyboard both belong to the set of all things with black color. But neither defines black. It's a bad diagram, since it implies the "is" works both ways. It's not supposed to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 06/01/17 10:08:09 AM #38:	Garioshi posted... This looks kind of like a cross section of a vagina --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:880201198] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote></quote> This looks kind of like a cross section of a vagina</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Linctagon7 06/01/17 10:10:09 AM #39:	i mean ja let's apply logic to that which is supposed to be beyond logic --- yes i am <cite>Linctagon7 posted [p:880201293] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>i mean ja let's apply logic to that which is supposed to be beyond logic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 06/01/17 10:12:36 AM #40:	Linctagon7 posted... i mean ja let's apply logic to that which is supposed to be beyond logic God made the tree of knowledge forbidden because it gave us the wisdom to realize the whole God thing was dogshit from the start. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:880201413] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Linctagon7 posted...</cite> <quote>i mean ja let's apply logic to that which is supposed to be beyond logic</quote> God made the tree of knowledge forbidden because it gave us the wisdom to realize the whole God thing was dogshit from the start.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeltaRayquaza 06/01/17 10:45:00 AM #41:	DevsBro posted... You're confusing the sense of the word "is". My lunchbox is black. My keyboard is black. But my lunchbox is not my keyboard. My lunchbox and my keyboard both belong to the set of all things with black color. But neither defines black. It's a bad diagram, since it implies the "is" works both ways. It's not supposed to. You're equating saying that (noun) is (adjective) to saying that (noun) is (other noun) when the two are not the same thing. Here's an apt comparison: Replace God with Elizabeth II, The Holy Spirit with head of the Anglican Church with, The Father with the English monarch, and The Son with the owner of all the swans in the UK. You can't say that the head of the Anglican Church is not the monarch of England. --- I'm Garioshi. I haven't bothered getting this alt to Veteran in 4 years. <cite>DeltaRayquaza posted [p:880203011] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote>You're confusing the sense of the word "is". My lunchbox is black. My keyboard is black. But my lunchbox is not my keyboard. My lunchbox and my keyboard both belong to the set of all things with black color. But neither defines black. It's a bad diagram, since it implies the "is" works both ways. It's not supposed to.</quote> You're equating saying that (noun) is (adjective) to saying that (noun) is (other noun) when the two are not the same thing. Here's an apt comparison: Replace God with Elizabeth II, The Holy Spirit with head of the Anglican Church with, The Father with the English monarch, and The Son with the owner of all the swans in the UK. You can't say that the head of the Anglican Church is not the monarch of England.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 06/01/17 10:50:42 AM #42:	We aren't meant to fully understand God. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:880203286] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>We aren't meant to fully understand God.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeltaRayquaza 06/01/17 10:53:44 AM #43:	Vindris_SNH posted... We aren't meant to fully understand God. We don't need to fully understand God to know that God cannot be God if the trinity is true. --- I'm Garioshi. I haven't bothered getting this alt to Veteran in 4 years. <cite>DeltaRayquaza posted [p:880203424] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>We aren't meant to fully understand God.</quote> We don't need to fully understand God to know that God cannot be God if the trinity is true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 06/01/17 11:53:53 AM #44:	You're equating saying that (noun) is (adjective) to saying that (noun) is (other noun) when the two are not the same thing. Here's an apt comparison: Replace God with Elizabeth II, The Holy Spirit with head of the Anglican Church with, The Father with the English monarch, and The Son with the owner of all the swans in the UK. You can't say that the head of the Anglican Church is not the monarch of England. If anything, it's a grammar error. The way it works is that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are three persons who are collectively God. St. Patrick used ths shamrock as an example. Three distinct leaves, one shamrock. --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:880206466] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><quote>You're equating saying that (noun) is (adjective) to saying that (noun) is (other noun) when the two are not the same thing. Here's an apt comparison: Replace God with Elizabeth II, The Holy Spirit with head of the Anglican Church with, The Father with the English monarch, and The Son with the owner of all the swans in the UK. You can't say that the head of the Anglican Church is not the monarch of England.</quote> If anything, it's a grammar error. The way it works is that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are three persons who are collectively God. St. Patrick used ths shamrock as an example. Three distinct leaves, one shamrock.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeltaRayquaza 06/01/17 12:10:42 PM #45:	DevsBro posted... If anything, it's a grammar error. The way it works is that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are three persons who are collectively God. St. Patrick used ths shamrock as an example. Three distinct leaves, one shamrock. It's more than a grammatical error. The entire graphic is wrong, in that case. --- I'm Garioshi. I haven't bothered getting this alt to Veteran in 4 years. <cite>DeltaRayquaza posted [p:880207321] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote>If anything, it's a grammar error. The way it works is that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are three persons who are collectively God. St. Patrick used ths shamrock as an example. Three distinct leaves, one shamrock.</quote> It's more than a grammatical error. The entire graphic is wrong, in that case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 06/01/17 12:24:41 PM #46:	Religion and illogical conclusions tend to go hand in hand. --- PSN: kazukifafner <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:880208038] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>Religion and illogical conclusions tend to go hand in hand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 06/01/17 2:02:00 PM #47:	Like I said, it's a bad diagram. --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:880213526] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>Like I said, it's a bad diagram.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeltaRayquaza 06/01/17 2:23:53 PM #48:	DevsBro posted... Like I said, it's a bad diagram. No, no it isn't. Jesus himself says that he, God, and the Father are the same thing, even saying at one point, "I and the Father are one." --- I'm Garioshi. I haven't bothered getting this alt to Veteran in 4 years. <cite>DeltaRayquaza posted [p:880214676] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><cite>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote>Like I said, it's a bad diagram.</quote> No, no it isn't. Jesus himself says that he, God, and the Father are the same thing, even saying at one point, "I and the Father are one."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchiePeck 06/01/17 2:25:49 PM #49:	This argument is pointless, because people will simply state "God exists beyond logic that humans can comprehend". <cite>ArchiePeck posted [p:880214766] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote>This argument is pointless, because people will simply state "God exists beyond logic that humans can comprehend".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 06/02/17 1:46:48 PM #50:	No, no it isn't. Jesus himself says that he, God, and the Father are the same thing, even saying at one point, "I and the Father are one." Because Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit are parts of a whole. St. Patrick used ths shamrock as an example. Three distinct leaves, one shamrock. He also speaks as if they're distinct when he says things like "I must be aboutmy. Father's business" and "Nobody comes to the Father except through me." --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:880278437] in Does the H... [t:75408482]...</cite> <quote><quote>No, no it isn't. Jesus himself says that he, God, and the Father are the same thing, even saying at one point, "I and the Father are one."</quote> Because Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit are parts of a whole. <quote>St. Patrick used ths shamrock as an example. Three distinct leaves, one shamrock.</quote> He also speaks as if they're distinct when he says things like "I must be aboutmy. Father's business" and "Nobody comes to the Father except through me."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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