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AlBundy33
05/26/17 11:40:56 PM
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Fuck off. We can't rewrite history to fit your agenda

By this stupid logic, we should hide the fact George Washington was president, and take down his monument, because he was a slave owner.
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ASithLord7
05/26/17 11:42:02 PM
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That isn't rewriting history or even trying to. In fact it's recognizing the reality of history
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Ving_Rhames
05/26/17 11:43:07 PM
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In what way is that re-writing history

I don't think you understand what that term means, so you shouldn't ever use it again unless you enjoy looking like a dumb fuck lmao
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foreveraIone
05/26/17 11:43:59 PM
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AlBundy33 posted...
We can't rewrite history to fit your agenda


Isn't that what the "heritage not hate" crowd does when they say shit like the civil war was fought over states rights and the Confederate flag doesn't represent slavery?
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K181
05/26/17 11:44:11 PM
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Confederate apologists can honor their past as much as they want. Just don't be surprised that people don't want to honor traitors.
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HainoRocks
05/26/17 11:44:22 PM
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I agree, but the people who obsess over keeping them up need to expand their interests and find new hobbies.
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AlBundy33
05/26/17 11:45:00 PM
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@Ving_Rhames posted...
In what way is that re-writing history

I don't think you understand what that term means, so you shouldn't ever use it again unless you enjoy looking like a dumb fuck lmao


How old are you kid? 11? 12?

"Oh it represented racism, lets try to hide the fact that is part of this country's history"

That's exactly what trying to re-writing history is.
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Skye Reynolds
05/26/17 11:46:00 PM
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AlBundy33 posted...
By this stupid logic, we should hide the fact George Washington was president, and take down his monument, because he was a slave owner.


We're renaming it the White Privilege Tower.
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AlBundy33
05/26/17 11:46:44 PM
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K181 posted...
Confederate apologists can honor their past as much as they want. Just don't be surprised that people don't want to honor traitors.


I don't think you have a clue what "traitor" means
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ASithLord7
05/26/17 11:46:54 PM
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AlBundy33 posted...
"Oh it represented racism, lets try to hide the fact that is part of this country's history"

No, it's "It represents racism, let's stop honoring that legacy and recognize that fact"
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foreveraIone
05/26/17 11:48:21 PM
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AlBundy33 posted...
That's exactly what trying to re-writing history is.

Kind of like the whole states right narrative?
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Ving_Rhames
05/26/17 11:49:29 PM
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AlBundy33 posted...
How old are you kid? 11? 12?

"Oh it represented racism, lets try to hide the fact that is part of this country's history"

That's exactly what trying to re-writing history is.


Cool, congrats, you're among that crowd of people who is willfully stupid without a modicum of self-awareness. Don't even want to learn what an actual re-write of history is lmao
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AlBundy33
05/26/17 11:51:52 PM
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@ASithLord7 posted...
AlBundy33 posted...
"Oh it represented racism, lets try to hide the fact that is part of this country's history"

No, it's "It represents racism, let's stop honoring that legacy and recognize that fact"


So, you think we should erase George Washington from history then as well correct? he was a slave owner after all, and slavery represents racism
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CommonStar
05/26/17 11:53:26 PM
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>Those damn libruls getting consolation trophys for everything! Bahhhh! Trophys are for winners!
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Skye Reynolds
05/27/17 9:56:47 AM
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CommonStar posted...
>Those damn libruls getting consolation trophys for everything! Bahhhh! Trophys are for winners!
>NOT MY CONFEDERATE MONUMENTS!


I tell you what, let's let those Johnny Reb statues remain and the Fearless Girl statue can become a permanent fixture of Wall Street.
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FrisbeeDude
05/27/17 10:04:23 AM
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https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/19175311/

THIS is trying to rewrite history, but white America didn't seem nearly as upset...I wonder why
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Hexenherz
05/27/17 10:04:30 AM
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AlBundy33 posted...
@ASithLord7 posted...
AlBundy33 posted...
"Oh it represented racism, lets try to hide the fact that is part of this country's history"

No, it's "It represents racism, let's stop honoring that legacy and recognize that fact"


So, you think we should erase George Washington from history then as well correct? he was a slave owner after all, and slavery represents racism


That's a rather silly false equivalency, considering the South fought essentially specifically for the express purpose of maintaining the legality of slavery.
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HainoRocks
05/27/17 10:05:29 AM
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kewldude475 posted...
AlBundy33 posted...
Fuck off. We can't rewrite history to fit your agenda

Implying people don't do this all the time


Implying that makes it okay.
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Funkydog
05/27/17 10:08:22 AM
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Aren't they putting them in museums instead?

Seems fine way to keep the history alive to me.
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Hexenherz
05/27/17 10:13:09 AM
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Funkydog posted...
Aren't they putting them in museums instead?

Seems fine way to keep the history alive to me.

I've heard that's what's happening to most of the statues at least. As long as the museum exhibit is fairly neutral I don't see a problem with it.
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EbonTitanium
05/27/17 10:17:07 AM
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Rewriting history? Look up "the Lost Cause of the Confederacy".
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Antifar
05/27/17 10:22:17 AM
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AlBundy33 posted...
Fuck off. We can't rewrite history to fit your agenda

The very erection of these statues was the purposeful rewriting of history in favor of a "lost cause" narrative about the Civil War. There are reasons why

- They didn't pop up until after whites regained power in the south post-reconstruction
- The south is dotted with monuments to Confederates and not, say, Southern Unionists, or freed slaves.

Not because these statues are an objective remembrance of history, but because there was an agenda behind their creation.
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MangaFan462
05/27/17 10:25:32 AM
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Shouldn't Mosques be taken down too due to 9/11 and the Muslim African Slave Trade was far more brutal?
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Hexenherz
05/27/17 10:27:57 AM
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MangaFan462 posted...
Shouldn't Mosques be taken down too due to 9/11 and the Muslim African Slave Trade was far more brutal?


... what
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hortanz
05/27/17 10:30:14 AM
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MangaFan462 posted...
Shouldn't Mosques be taken down too due to 9/11 and the Muslim African Slave Trade was far more brutal?


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Antifar
05/27/17 10:30:43 AM
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MangaFan462 posted...
Shouldn't Mosques be taken down too due to 9/11 and the Muslim African Slave Trade was far more brutal?

I don't think you actually believe this point, but on the off-chance that you're genuinely ignorant and not just trolling

- Islam is a religion believed by more than a billion people worldwide, which has existed for centuries. The vast majority of its adherents are neither slave traders nor responsible for 9/11
- As a religion, its places of worship are protected by the first amendment. More pressingly, they are not on public lands like these monuments
- The Confederacy, meanwhile, was a four year failure of a nation whose establishment and stated purpose was the continued enslavement of black people and the furthering of white supremacist nonsense.
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Solar_Crimson
05/27/17 10:30:53 AM
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foreveraIone posted...
AlBundy33 posted...
We can't rewrite history to fit your agenda


Isn't that what the "heritage not hate" crowd does when they say shit like the civil war was fought over states rights and the Confederate flag doesn't represent slavery?

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coolboy11
05/27/17 10:38:21 AM
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the monuments were literally an attempt to whitewash (pardon the pun teehee) the South's role in the confederacy, there's no "historical" basis to 90% of them Hexenherz posted...
MangaFan462 posted...
Shouldn't Mosques be taken down too due to 9/11 and the Muslim African Slave Trade was far more brutal?


... what

I've heard this but considering the Trans Atlantic slave trade killed probably 5-10 million plus I find it hard to believe Muslim slave trading killed more people
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Antifar
05/27/17 10:40:21 AM
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One of the statues that got removed in New Orleans wasn't even a monument to the Confederacy, but to a race riot several years after the Civil War
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hortanz
05/27/17 3:10:34 PM
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and tc was never seen again
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thronedfire2
05/27/17 3:13:22 PM
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AlBundy33 posted...
@Ving_Rhames posted...
In what way is that re-writing history

I don't think you understand what that term means, so you shouldn't ever use it again unless you enjoy looking like a dumb fuck lmao


How old are you kid? 11? 12?

"Oh it represented racism, lets try to hide the fact that is part of this country's history"

That's exactly what trying to re-writing history is.


It's not part of this country's history. It's part of a temporary country that no longer exists history
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Lightsasori
05/27/17 3:20:26 PM
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They're putting it in a museum to my knowledge.
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DirkDiggles
05/27/17 3:26:58 PM
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But Hilary!!!!!!
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TrevorBlack79
05/27/17 3:35:04 PM
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The people who want to leave confederate monuments are stupid
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Disrespector
05/27/17 3:37:48 PM
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TC got fucking rekt lmao
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AlBundy33
05/27/17 3:39:37 PM
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Disrespector posted...
TC got fucking rekt lmao


Not at all. Nobody has even answered my question yet

Do the butthurt liberals want to take down George Washington's monument, and erase him from history because he was a slave owner?
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Hexenherz
05/27/17 3:43:24 PM
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AlBundy33 posted...
Disrespector posted...
TC got fucking rekt lmao


Not at all. Nobody has even answered my question yet

Do the butthurt liberals want to take down George Washington's monument, and erase him from history because he was a slave owner?


No, I already pointed out this is a false equivalency. Washington didn't lead a revolution for the express purpose of continuing the practice of slavery.
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Waluigi7
05/27/17 3:53:36 PM
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The 'heroes' of the Confederacy were as anti-American as they come, they attempted to destroy the country.
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ultimate reaver
05/27/17 4:08:28 PM
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They should be put in a museum. They have no real place standing in the middle of a city in 2017.
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3rd_Best_Master
05/27/17 4:12:10 PM
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I stand don't understand how removing statues is akin to erasing history. There's no problem teaching the history of the Civil War anywhere else in the country and they don't have monuments dedicated to Confederates dotting their streets. Are Southerners just incapable of reading history books or going to school, cause this seems like a uniquely southern issue.
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hortanz
05/27/17 4:35:43 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
I stand don't understand how removing statues is akin to erasing history. There's no problem teaching the history of the Civil War anywhere else in the country and they don't have monuments dedicated to Confederates dotting their streets. Are Southerners just incapable of reading history books or going to school, cause this seems like a uniquely southern issue.


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Dash_Harber
05/27/17 4:38:49 PM
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It's real simple actually; monuments are meant to commemorate important times in a country's history that also reflect the collective values and beliefs of the culture. Most people don't value things like owning slaves or cessation anymore, so it makes sense to take them down. Historical pieces, however, belong in museums, which is where they generally put things with historical content.

No one is trying to whitewash, people are just more choosy about how they choose to represent their cultural identities.
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Iodine
05/27/17 4:42:51 PM
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"Black people need to get over Slavery!"

"But mah heritage!!!!"

Ohhh man the hypocrisy is something else.
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