Poll of the Day > Do blacks whospeak in African America vernacular English experience more racism?

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2 of my friends at work who are black and grew up on projects say they experienced almost no racism once that stopped speaking African American Vernacular English Back in college a few examples are when they have been stopped by cops, they have been treated much better and are not even asked to get off their cars anymore, however once they visit their families they are chastised for ´not talking black´

I also have another friend from Kansas who is white who had a similar experience, once he moved to California he experienced racism by non whites and was even looked down by other whites, but once nhe drooped his accent he was treated much better.

Is there any study regarding how much racism people experience based on their accent_
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What exactly is 'African America vernacular English'? Or do you mean 'Slang'?

pionear posted...

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What exactly is 'African America vernacular English'? Or do you mean 'Slang'?

Ebonics or whatever the kids are calling intentional language murder these days
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Yes they do.

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I look down on anybody who can't speak clear and concise (assuming English is your 1st language of course, I am way more lenient on people who have thick foreign accents). Doesn't matter what color you are, you should at least sound like someone who people want to listen to.
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Dikitain posted...

I look down on anybody who can't speak clear and concise (assuming English is your 1st language of course, I am way more lenient on people who have thick foreign accents). Doesn't matter what color you are, you should at least sound like someone who people want to listen to.

You're speaking from a place of privilege when you say this. People speak as they are raised and educated to speak. Some choose to speak that way even after education as a cultural matter. I don't entirely understand it, but I also am privileged to have been taught the language as I was.

I do admit to looking down on anyone who says stuff like "aks you a question" or "cup of expresso" or other stuff. But that's common among people of any race.

SushiSquid posted...

Dikitain posted...

I look down on anybody who can't speak clear and concise (assuming English is your 1st language of course, I am way more lenient on people who have thick foreign accents). Doesn't matter what color you are, you should at least sound like someone who people want to listen to.

You're speaking from a place of privilege when you say this. People speak as they are raised and educated to speak. Some choose to speak that way even after education as a cultural matter. I don't entirely understand it, but I also am privileged to have been taught the language as I was.

I do admit to looking down on anyone who says stuff like "aks you a question" or "cup of expresso" or other stuff. But that's common among people of any race.

I don't think taking pride in sounding coherent is "privileged". That is like saying you are privileged if want an education, not if you actually get one. Anyone can listen to someone talk and at the very least imitate them, even if they spent half their life talking in some other vernacular.
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Dikitain posted...

I don't think taking pride in sounding coherent is "privileged".

What sounds coherent to you is not universal. AAVE is coherent to those that are raised with it. As are other dialects to their communities and speakers. So there is your privilege.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Dikitain posted...

I don't think taking pride in sounding coherent is "privileged".

What sounds coherent to you is not universal. AAVE is coherent to those that are raised with it. As are other dialects to their communities and speakers. So there is your privilege.

That is a huge stretch though, I have never heard of anyone telling a person "Quit speaking like a mid-western news reporter, I can't understand you!". However, that does get said to someone who speaks AAVE.

Privileged would imply that they can't speak that way, when that is just not the case.
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Dikitain posted...

That is a huge stretch though, I have never heard of anyone telling a person "Quit speaking like a mid-western news reporter, I can't understand you!".

You are privileged to have been raised in an environment with an accent and dialect that fits the norm. Not everyone is, and re-learning how to think and communicate takes time and effort.

That, and

Metal_Gear_Link posted...

however once they visit their families they are chastised for ´not talking black´

Is that not similar? It then separates the speakers from their own families and communities by having to reject parts of their upbringing to fit in with society

Language plays a huge part in your perception.
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Metal_Gear_Link posted...

2 of my friends at work who are black and grew up on projects say they experienced almost no racism once that stopped speaking African American Vernacular English Back in college a few examples are when they have been stopped by cops, they have been treated much better and are not even asked to get off their cars anymore, however once they visit their families they are chastised for ´not talking black´

I also have another friend from Kansas who is white who had a similar experience, once he moved to California he experienced racism by non whites and was even looked down by other whites, but once nhe drooped his accent he was treated much better.

Is there any study regarding how much racism people experience based on their accent_

This post reeks of ignorant white person pushing their ethnocentric views... Anyway, ebonics is a dialect and not an accent.

Additionally, your college-educated black friends are still getting stopped by the cops for no reason but they don't feel like their experiencing racism? Sounds likely... I know you're white so you probably have never been pulled over for D.W.B. but it is very real and very racist. Your college educated black friends would be well aware about this phenomenon.

Doctor Foxx posted...

Dikitain posted...

That is a huge stretch though, I have never heard of anyone telling a person "Quit speaking like a mid-western news reporter, I can't understand you!".

You are privileged to have been raised in an environment with an accent and dialect that fits the norm. Not everyone is, and re-learning how to think and communicate takes time and effort.

Just because something takes time and effort doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.

I am not implying that it is easy, but I am saying that if you aren't making an effort to better yourself that I am going to look down on you for it. You are also making assumptions about how I was raised, that is EXTREMELY bigoted.


Doctor Foxx posted...

Metal_Gear_Link posted...

however once they visit their families they are chastised for ´not talking black´

Is that not similar? It then separates the speakers from their own families and communities by having to reject parts of their upbringing to fit in with society

Language plays a huge part in your perception.

Then I would say that they are being brought up in a bad environment and they should make an effort to remove themselves from it. I would even go so far as to say child services should get involved and remove them because it is a detriment to their development.
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AAVE is only unacceptable until it is adopted by while mainstream culture.

https://www.dailydot.com/via/bae-backlash-black-culture-pharrell/
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Dikitain posted...

Just because something takes time and effort doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.

I am not implying that it is easy, but I am saying that if you aren't making an effort to better yourself that I am going to look down on you for it. You are also making assumptions about how I was raised, that is EXTREMELY bigoted.

I am not saying that. But it's absurd to expect people to conform and for cultures to drop their differences overnight, particularly in a nation with no official language. How were you raised?

Dikitain posted...

Then I would say that they are being brought up in a bad environment and they should make an effort to remove themselves from it. I would even go so far as to say child services should get involved and remove them because it is a detriment to their development.

Children should walk out? Adults should disown their families? You really think CPS should be there for families because they are using AAVE? please

Or people can chill out and understand it's a unique dialect and culture, and not shit all over it and those that choose to communicate that way.
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