Current Events > Size 2 model considered ''too fat'' for Louis Vuitton.

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https://www.yahoo.com/style/model-says-she-cancelled-louis-185626516.html

She was also told that she had to consume only water for the following 24 hours.

That's ridiculous.
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Who cares?
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land whale
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Disgusting. That girl needs to eat.
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She can take it or find another place to work. We aren't talking about Lane Bryant here.

Asking CE to sympathize with ANYONE being called "fat" is a useless attempt
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As horrible as this is. This is the world of modeling.

If you become a model you know what you're getting yourself into. I don't get why this is news.

"People were shallow and superficial with unrealistic unhealthy standards!" is like what's written above the door of modeling 101.
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She knew what she was signing up for when she decided to be a model.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

As horrible as this is. This is the world of modeling.

If you become a model you know what you're getting yourself into. I don't get why this is news.

"People were shallow and superficial with unrealistic unhealthy standards!" is like what's written above the door of modeling 101.

100% agreed

i expect that LV is paying people to analyze the body types of their models and identify what will maximize profits

their decisionmaking is presumably based on some economic metrics that are logical to them, though not to us

i think what we're seeing here is call-out culture trying to extend itself to business
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voldothegr8 posted...

She knew what she was signing up for when she decided to be a model.

This. Why are people acting surprised.
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And she's already frail looking. Gimmie those plus sized models anyway of the week
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Darkman124 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

As horrible as this is. This is the world of modeling.

If you become a model you know what you're getting yourself into. I don't get why this is news.

"People were shallow and superficial with unrealistic unhealthy standards!" is like what's written above the door of modeling 101.

100% agreed

i expect that LV is paying people to analyze the body types of their models and identify what will maximize profits

their decisionmaking is presumably based on some economic metrics that are logical to them, though not to us

i think what we're seeing here is call-out culture trying to extend itself to business

I think sentiments like this often lead to an attitude like "Alright, so I'll just lean back and do nothing". What she's doing is building opinion, and if that opinion spreads widely enough, LV's economic metrics (according to your hypothetical) will have to change to reflect that.
Personally, though, I don't believe that economic metrics are the only reason for these attitudes. I think there's also quite a long tradition that's not easy to overturn. These kinds of mindsets tend to have a lot of inertia.
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Wouldn't they want her to not drink water so she is dehydrated and looks slimmer
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scar the 1 posted...

I think sentiments like this often lead to an attitude like "Alright, so I'll just lean back and do nothing". What she's doing is building opinion, and if that opinion spreads widely enough, LV's economic metrics (according to your hypothetical) will have to change to reflect that.
Personally, though, I don't believe that economic metrics are the only reason for these attitudes. I think there's also quite a long tradition that's not easy to overturn. These kinds of mindsets tend to have a lot of inertia.

It's possible that tradition drives it. But I would then ask, why would these companies not want to make more money?

I expect what her actions will actually drive is gag orders from the companies that threaten lawsuits if employees try to air their internal dirty laundry on social media. I don't see how any other outcome could be possible: the company isn't going to adjust their return-on-marketing-campaign expectations down to reflect protection from fear of being shamed by employees. They'll just adopt more employee-hostile policies. Which doesn't make her wrong for doing this; it makes the business of marketing somewhat evil.

What she's doing is building opinion to strike back at her employer who she feels wronged her, and if they have no recourse against it, their organizational team is dumb because it's a super easy attack that could be used to hurt their bottom line.
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Darkman124 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

I think sentiments like this often lead to an attitude like "Alright, so I'll just lean back and do nothing". What she's doing is building opinion, and if that opinion spreads widely enough, LV's economic metrics (according to your hypothetical) will have to change to reflect that.
Personally, though, I don't believe that economic metrics are the only reason for these attitudes. I think there's also quite a long tradition that's not easy to overturn. These kinds of mindsets tend to have a lot of inertia.

It's possible that tradition drives it. But I would then ask, why would these companies not want to make more money?

I expect what her actions will actually drive is gag orders from the companies that threaten lawsuits if employees try to air their internal dirty laundry on social media. I don't see how any other outcome could be possible: the company isn't going to adjust their return-on-marketing-campaign expectations down to reflect protection from fear of being shamed by employees. They'll just adopt more employee-hostile policies. Which doesn't make her wrong for doing this; it makes the business of marketing somewhat evil.

What she's doing is building opinion to strike back at her employer who she feels wronged her, and if they have no recourse against it, their organizational team is dumb because it's a super easy attack that could be used to hurt their bottom line.

I think you're looking at this from a very data-centric point of view. In my experience companies rarely have perfect information going into marketing decisions. They might very well think that they're doing the optimal things, but I doubt that they're informed by data. I would expect that there's a lot of conceit going into these kinds of things.

Re: the gag thing, I'm not so sure. The beauty world is huge in social media, and closely connected to the fashion industry.
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scar the 1 posted...

I think you're looking at this from a very data-centric point of view. In my experience companies rarely have perfect information going into marketing decisions. They might very well think that they're doing the optimal things, but I doubt that they're informed by data. I would expect that there's a lot of conceit going into these kinds of things.

Re: the gag thing, I'm not so sure. The beauty world is huge in social media, and closely connected to the fashion industry.

i look at everything from a data-centric POV because i am a robot

if their marketing dept is just spitballing this stuff they should be replaced with a better marketing dept that would cross-analyze body types and marketing campaign impacts on sales results. tradition has no purpose.

and honestly everything about social media is pretty heavily curated by most marketing teams so the fact that they don't have a gag order already is shocking.

i wouldn't be surprised if there is an agreement across companies that actions like this one would render the model in question unemployable but we'll see--there's probably points to be scored right now by CK or some other competing firm picking her up

to be clear again i still think all of this is evil, but i do not believe calling it out for being evil will make it be less evil

might make it be less stupid, though.
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Well Darkman agrees with me so that mean I am probably wrong
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She looks really gross.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Well Darkman agrees with me so that mean I am probably wrong

trolled
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Darkman124 posted...

i look at everything from a data-centric POV because i am a robot

if their marketing dept is just spitballing this stuff they should be replaced with a better marketing dept that would cross-analyze body types and marketing campaign impacts on sales results. tradition has no purpose.

and honestly everything about social media is pretty heavily curated by most marketing teams so the fact that they don't have a gag order already is shocking.

i wouldn't be surprised if there is an agreement across companies that actions like this one would render the model in question unemployable but we'll see--there's probably points to be scored right now by CK or some other competing firm picking her up

to be clear again i still think all of this is evil, but i do not believe calling it out for being evil will make it be less evil

might make it be less stupid, though.

Well, you have to agree that there's a big difference between just spitballing and having perfect data for these sorts of things? Remember, you're from an industry where your reasoning is a lot more easily applicable.
About social media being curated? You'd be surprised. Some of the more successful beauty vloggers are the ones that often criticize products instead of just praising them. And sure, beauty isn't fashion, but I definitely believe that there's a big overlap in audiences. An issue like this getting attention could be devastating. I reckon that eventually one day something will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
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scar the 1 posted...

Well, you have to agree that there's a big difference between just spitballing and having perfect data for these sorts of things? Remember, you're from an industry where your reasoning is a lot more easily applicable.
About social media being curated? You'd be surprised. Some of the more successful beauty vloggers are the ones that often criticize products instead of just praising them. And sure, beauty isn't fashion, but I definitely believe that there's a big overlap in audiences. An issue like this getting attention could be devastating. I reckon that eventually one day something will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

I very much doubt this will be devastating, in a week no one will remember this female or the company involved.

Trust me, I love news and media and opinions and the one thing I learned is that despite how much people claim to care about something, they forget it near instantly.

Remember Kony?

Remember M&S having Plus Sized Models in their campaigns?

No you don't. Because those stories lost all steam long ago and meanwhile a dog rescued a turtle from a well or something and the ADD population moved on
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Well Darkman agrees with me so that mean I am probably wrong

The majority agrees with you so you clearly are.
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Darkman124 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

As horrible as this is. This is the world of modeling.

If you become a model you know what you're getting yourself into. I don't get why this is news.

"People were shallow and superficial with unrealistic unhealthy standards!" is like what's written above the door of modeling 101.

100% agreed

i expect that LV is paying people to analyze the body types of their models and identify what will maximize profits

their decisionmaking is presumably based on some economic metrics that are logical to them, though not to us

i think what we're seeing here is call-out culture trying to extend itself to business

if anything, business needs callout culture more than anything else. Prioritizing profit over people is wrong. Period.
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how can she be that small and still have a small muffintop?

gross.

averagejoel posted...

Prioritizing profit over people is wrong

Welcome to capitalism.

May I take your coat?

For a small fee.
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It's weird, for such a small industry that has such a small impact on actual fashion trends, let alone sales, they sure seem to have a lot of influence over women's body stereotypes.
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It's weird that this is still the case in 2017. People have been calling out the fashion industry on this type of thing since at least the 90's
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as the great philosopher (not really) Kanye West said "we like the girls who ain't on TV cuz they got more ass than the models"
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I very much doubt this will be devastating, in a week no one will remember this female or the company involved.

I agree with you.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o_jq5Z6AH4
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averagejoel posted...

Darkman124 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

As horrible as this is. This is the world of modeling.

If you become a model you know what you're getting yourself into. I don't get why this is news.

"People were shallow and superficial with unrealistic unhealthy standards!" is like what's written above the door of modeling 101.

100% agreed

i expect that LV is paying people to analyze the body types of their models and identify what will maximize profits

their decisionmaking is presumably based on some economic metrics that are logical to them, though not to us

i think what we're seeing here is call-out culture trying to extend itself to business

if anything, business needs callout culture more than anything else. Prioritizing profit over people is wrong. Period.

I'm tired of people crying over not everyone being happy about their appearance. Nobody needs to be told what's attractive. Our bodies will do that for us. Big is beautiful? Try explaining that to my penis. Same goes for scrawny women where I can see ribs.

Nobody should feel guilty or wrong for their preferences either.