Current Events > I keep on getting modding for criticizing Super Saiyan 2!

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How am I trying to antagonize real board users when I simply criticize a design? All I'm saying that since SS1 and SS2 look so similar, it is very easy for someone to get them mixed up and forget SS2 even exists.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BFXASLr7ds
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Only non Gohan fans hate SSJ2
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Mods know that SSJ2 is the coolest.

They probably also know that SSJ4 is dumb looking too.
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Would you be able to tell Gohan SS2 in this picture if you didn't already know what his actual SS1 looked like? No!

Don't they look similar? Yes! That is what I argued. Just because some angry Dragon Ball fans lashed out doesn't mean I was trolling.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Would you be able to tell Gohan SS2 in this picture if you didn't already know what his actual SS1 looked like? No!

Don't they look similar? Yes! That is what I argued. Just because some angry Dragon Ball fans lashed out doesn't mean I was trolling.

Yeah, I always thought ssj2 was lazy.
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PiOverlord posted...

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Would you be able to tell Gohan SS2 in this picture if you didn't already know what his actual SS1 looked like? No!

Don't they look similar? Yes! That is what I argued. Just because some angry Dragon Ball fans lashed out doesn't mean I was trolling.

Yeah, I always thought ssj2 was lazy.

I know right dawg? And people were agreeing with me!

But I'm "trolling" because I already gotten modded three times for it. Uh-huh. Mod logic. SMH
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You can easily tell it's SSJ2 because of the electricity.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

because I already gotten modded three times for it.

Why do you keep fucking doing it then? At that point, you deserve it.
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Veggeta X posted...

You can easily tell it's SSJ2 because of the electricity.

Because the series tells you SS2 is supposed to have electricity. If the series didn't tell you SS2 had electricity, you wouldn't the electricity indicated anything. Furthermore, SS2 doesn't always have electricity and SS1 often has it.

Viewers look at the character, not an external substance that surrounds them.
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Shut the fuck up clown
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i tried warning him not to do that but my words mean nothing to him :(.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Veggeta X posted...

You can easily tell it's SSJ2 because of the electricity.

Because the series tells you SS2 is supposed to have electricity. If the series didn't tell you SS2 had electricity, you wouldn't the electricity indicated anything. Furthermore, SS2 doesn't always have electricity and SS1 often has it.

Viewers look at the character, not an external substance that surrounds them.

So you are saying random electric bolts flying off of people means nothing to you?
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I'm not gonna lie, when I was younger first watching the series and Goku went SS3 I was like 'when the hell did he go SS2'?

Also, I don't think the dub ever explicitly called it 2 when it first happened, they were like Enhanced Saiyan or something like that, which confused me too. Could be wrong about that, though.
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LightHawKnight posted...

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Veggeta X posted...

You can easily tell it's SSJ2 because of the electricity.

Because the series tells you SS2 is supposed to have electricity. If the series didn't tell you SS2 had electricity, you wouldn't the electricity indicated anything. Furthermore, SS2 doesn't always have electricity and SS1 often has it.

Viewers look at the character, not an external substance that surrounds them.

So you are saying random electric bolts flying off of people means nothing to you?

do these look like separate forms just because one has lightning and the other doesn't? You would not care about lightning if nobody told you about them
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Ss2 is dope. The confidence and the change in Their facial expressions make it one if my favorite forms
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there is no change in facial expression. SS2 has the same face as SS1
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Even Toriyama forgot SS2 existed!
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

[Pictures of Nappa]

I always wondered. Since Nappa is bald, but has a mustache, if he went into any of the SS states, would his mustache turn yellow? Would it become spiky?

Also, I didn't watch GT, but I know Vegeta had a mustache in the beginning. Did he ever transform with that mustache, or did he shave it before doing it?
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You don't have to DB fan to know how SS1 look like

Show someone who know SS1 but not SS2 a pic of SS2. They won't think it different form
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you think the average viewer will think "OMG HE TRANSFORMED" just because they see the lightning? LOL
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Anyone with half a brain would.
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LightHawKnight posted...

Anyone with half a brain would.

No, they wouldn't. If you weren't told about SS2 having lightning, you wouldn't care about the lightning.

Tell me mun.




do these look like separate forms just because one has lightning and the other doesn't? stop covering your ears!
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Laserion posted...

Scotty_Rogers posted...

[Pictures of Nappa]

I always wondered. Since Nappa is bald, but has a mustache, if he went into any of the SS states, would his mustache turn yellow? Would it become spiky?

Also, I didn't watch GT, but I know Vegeta had a mustache in the beginning. Did he ever transform with that mustache, or did he shave it before doing it?

Nappa can go Super Saiyan 3 in Dragon Ball Heroes; it causes his goatee to get spiky and grow longer. While he doesn't go SSJ, it can be inferred that it would likely cause a slight spikiness while turning his facial hair gold.

The real question is, do tails turn gold or not. IIRC GT was inconsistent on that.
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Their hair is like a thousand times spikier. SSJ is just like yellow hair. SSJ2 looks like a pineapple.
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Squall28 posted...

Their hair is like a thousand times spikier.

No it's not. The series is never consistent on hair spikiness; that simply has to do with art style.



Does SS2 Gohan have spikier hair than Goku, Vegeta and Trunks here. lol nope

pls stop making things up.
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Average viewer don't give fuck about lightning

you think all those times SS1 got lightning they thought "OMG NEW FORM"?



He not even SS2 here! no one cares about lightning
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Squall28 posted...

Their hair is like a thousand times spikier.

No it's not. The series is never consistent on hair spikiness; that simply has to do with art style.



Does SS2 Gohan have spikier hair than Goku, Vegeta and Trunks here. lol nope

pls stop making things up.

Goku and Vegeta are SSJ2
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Since when did people care what casuals think? SS2 makes sense in context. Nobody would mistake Napa for being SS2 because regular super saiyan didn't exist in the story yet.
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Mods are getting sick of your bullshit.

Maybe the reason you're getting modded is because you keep spamming those pictures dozens of times a thread?

Squall28 posted...

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Squall28 posted...

Their hair is like a thousand times spikier.

No it's not. The series is never consistent on hair spikiness; that simply has to do with art style.



Does SS2 Gohan have spikier hair than Goku, Vegeta and Trunks here. lol nope

pls stop making things up.

Goku and Vegeta are SSJ2

lol no they're not

SS2 Goku has fewer bangs:

And there is literally no change to Vegeta's hairstyle as SS2.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

Since when did people care what casuals think?

People who aren't nerds. This series isn't even consistent on it and SS1's appearances. SS2 often has no lightning. SS1 has lightning. There is plenty of confusion regarding the forms.

If SS2 had more distinct design, there wouldn't endless arguments like "Was Gohan SS1 or SS2 against Dabra"

Nobody would mistake Napa for being SS2 because regular super saiyan didn't exist in the story yet.

This isn't about being mistaken for SS2.

Lightning didn't make Nappa look like he was in a different form to base. So why does it lightning suddenly make SS2 look different to SS1? It doesn't; the series only tells you it does. Completely arbitrary.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Lightning didn't make Nappa look like he was in a different form to base. So why does it lightning suddenly make SS2 look different to SS1? It doesn't; the series only tells you it does. Completely arbitrary.

Lightning combined with a hairstyle change is what made it look different. Nappa doesn't look like he was in a different form because his hairstyle hadn't changed

Darklit_Minuet posted...

Lightning

Means nothing on its own.

combined with

Combining the lightning with something else doesn't make it any more noticeable.

a hairstyle change

That's the only change you can notice. But even if one's specific SS2 hairstyle is different to their specific SS1 hairstyle, they will still look SS1 in general. SS1 can be variety of hairstyles:



If you did not know what Gohan actual SS1 look like, you will assume him to be SS1 here. Because his specific SS2, while different to his specific SS1, looks SS1 in general.

And some characters' hairstyle don't even change at all! So you don't think SS2 Vegeta look like different form, lmao, glad you admitted that

Just take the L dawg. Even Toriyama admitted the form was forgettable.
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I keep getting modded

No you aint

I keep getting modded because the mods are bored

You keep shitposting on DBG board and getting 100s of posts

Don't you lie or I'm going to drain my salt into your eyes
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Why you follow me
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If I were to redesign SSJ2, I would go with

• No bangs; all hair is spiked up
• More lightning so that it looks dangerous just standing next to a SSJ2
• More glow (but less than SSJ3)
• Eye color is a deeper green
• Face has an almost sadistic expression
• Muscles are more defined

Basically a more intense SSJ1.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

If I were to redesign SSJ2, I would go with

• No bangs; all hair is spiked up

Still would look SS1 in general. If the average person saw an SS2 that looked like that, they would just assume it a bang-less SS1

• More lightning so that it looks dangerous just standing next to a SSJ2

Lightning ain't noticeable dawg. And what about in scenes where the SS2 is powered down (meaning no lightning nor aura). Form should easy to identify at all times, even when no aura/lightning is present

• More glow (but less than SSJ3)

SS1 can glow too.

• Eye color is a deeper green

Simply changing the shade of the eye color isn't noticeable; color shades vary on art style, too. Just change it entirely. Red would be a good color for the eyes.

• Face has an almost sadistic expression

You can change your facial expression regardless of form. Average viewer will just think it's an SS1 who happens to be angry

• Muscles are more defined

Muscle definition varies on art style.

Basically a more intense SSJ1.

Looking like an intense SS1 is still looking SS1. So it'd be easy to get them mixed up.

Just make the eyes red dawg. SS1 has green eyes. SS2 having red eyes would set it apart easily; one look at the eyes would make it easy to tell it apart from SS1:
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No. Just hair separated into thinner, more abundant spikes for SS2 than it is for SS1 (this is already done, but the difference could be made more noticeable). They also use brighter yellow for SS1 and paler yellow for SS2.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Would you be able to tell Gohan SS2 in this picture if you didn't already know what his actual SS1 looked like? No!

Don't they look similar? Yes! That is what I argued. Just because some angry Dragon Ball fans lashed out doesn't mean I was trolling.

In that picture? Yes. During the show? It's easy to tell. The lightening is a dead giveaway
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Laserion posted...

No.

Yes.

Just hair separated into thinner, more abundant spikes for SS2 than it is for SS1

Hair spikiness has absolutely nothing to do with the forms themselves. It only has to do with art style, which changes at random in this series. Not every artist working on the series draws the spikes the same, and Toriyama himself isn't consistent on how he draws hair spikes.

Spikier hair isn't going to make it look like a different form, just like spikier hair doesn't make these pics look like different forms:



The average viewer does not give two fucks about the precise spikiness of hair.

They also use brighter yellow for SS1 and paler yellow for SS2.

lol, no they don't. SS1 and SS2 are the same color.

The shade of yellow used depends on the art style, nothing to do with the forms themselves. Stop clutching at straws dawg.

Red eyes is a simple change that's easy to notice:
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Actually i agree. Now that i think about it, the SSJ2 form is pretty lazy tbh. Funny, that it never crossed my mind before.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

The average viewer does not give two fucks about the precise spikiness of hair.

This is DBZ we're talking about, dawg

known2FAIL posted...

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Would you be able to tell Gohan SS2 in this picture if you didn't already know what his actual SS1 looked like? No!

Don't they look similar? Yes! That is what I argued. Just because some angry Dragon Ball fans lashed out doesn't mean I was trolling.

In that picture? Yes.

You're saying that if you didn't already know what Gohan's specific SS1 looked like, you would be able to tell he's SS2 in that picture? That's a lie and you know it. There's absolutely nothing that sets his appearance apart from the other gold haired characters there.

It's easy to tell. The lightening is a dead giveaway. The lightening is a dead giveaway

Even though the lightning isn't always present and SS1 often has lightning as well? Yeah, no. You wouldn't think the lightning signified anything unless someone were to tell you it does. Case in point:


You don't think the lightning makes Nappa look transformed here. You're arbitrarily declaring that lightning makes SS2 look distinct to SS1.
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You know this scene, guys? *SPOILERS*:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryo8vbImDDQ

Vegeta's supposed to be SS2. But he has no lightning.

You know this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiXA7SjFnYk

He's SS1. No lightning.

You think the average viewer is going to assume Vegeta's in a different form in these scenes ... even though literally nothing sets his appearance apart in them?

The only reason you'd know he's in a different form is if someone were tell you. The only reason I know Vegeta's SS2 in the first video is because the story said he was.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

known2FAIL posted...

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Would you be able to tell Gohan SS2 in this picture if you didn't already know what his actual SS1 looked like? No!

Don't they look similar? Yes! That is what I argued. Just because some angry Dragon Ball fans lashed out doesn't mean I was trolling.

In that picture? Yes.

You're saying that if you didn't already know what Gohan's specific SS1 looked like, you would be able to tell he's SS2 in that picture? That's a lie and you know it. There's absolutely nothing that sets his appearance apart from the other gold haired characters there.

It's easy to tell. The lightening is a dead giveaway. The lightening is a dead giveaway

Even though the lightning isn't always present and SS1 often has lightning as well? Yeah, no. You wouldn't think the lightning signified anything unless someone were to tell you it does. Case in point:


You don't think the lightning makes Nappa look transformed here. You're arbitrarily declaring that lightning makes SS2 look distinct to SS1.

1. I said yes that it was hard to tell in that picture.

2. Your logic is flawed with the Nappa picture. No super sayian in history of the show didn't have any hair. Also that lightning is not the same type of litghning used for SS2 and you know it.
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known2FAIL posted...

2. Your logic is flawed with the Nappa picture.

No, it ain't dawg

Your logic is "Lightning makes SS2 look like different form to SS1", correct? In other words, "Lightning makes someone look like they're in different form to when they don't have lightning". Arguing that your logic only applies to Super Saiyans is arbitrary.

Nappa don't look like he in a different when have that lightning. You only think lightning makes SS2 look different form to SS1 because someone told you it does.

Also that lightning is not the same type of litghning used for SS2 and you know it.

Clearly look the same.
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