Current Events > Why aren't more of you guys Moderate in political views??

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Because we all know both sides are flawed and have advantages in their respective ways. So why not find the best in both ways instead of pointing fingers and assume the worst out of each other? Or is being a Moderate just a buzzword to you guys?
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because it's not about having political views, it's about picking a party and sticking with it

Probably because most people making political topics are doing so to get a response. Being on an extreme will get you one.
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Because it's a war! Pick a side! You're either with us or against us!

Or something like that.
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Pendulum effect. Most people start moderate and there are a couple of issues they actually care about. The lean towards the side they agree with on their couple of big issues and slowly radicalize, demonizing the opposition and tending to only talk about the things they like about with people they agree with. Also called group polarization.
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KILBOTz posted...

Pendulum effect. Most people start moderate and there are a couple of issues they actually care about. The lean towards the side they agree with on their couple of big issues and slowly radicalize, demonizing the opposition and tending to only talk about the things they like about with people they agree with. Also called group polarization.

Why aren't they aware of this?
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you can't troll with moderate views
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Not easy to shitpost as a moderate.
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TC, please shut the fuck up. You and your shit reputation will only give moderates a bad name.
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I actually openly embrace the concept of a democracy with multiple parties representing various views. I recognize that even my party isn't necessarily going to make the country better. I have the maturity to realize that even my party needs to be held accountable and challenged if it ever wants to succeed and that every country needs a careful balance of powers that keep each other in check.

That doesn't mean that I am apathetic towards politics, however. I wholeheartedly believe in the politics I believe, but I recognize that people that oppose are not my enemies, even if I disagree with them.

Blue_Dream87 posted...

Not easy to shitpost as a moderate.

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I have no ties to either party, but liberals are generally right on most issues.

Also, if you'll notice, most of the hyperbolic shitposting political people never actually say their positions. They only say what they aren't.
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Dash_Harber posted...

I actually openly embrace the concept of a democracy with multiple parties representing various views. I recognize that even my party isn't necessarily going to make the country better. I have the maturity to realize that even my party needs to be held accountable and challenged if it ever wants to succeed and that every country needs a careful balance of powers that keep each other in check.

That doesn't mean that I am apathetic towards politics, however. I wholeheartedly believe in the politics I believe, but I recognize that people that oppose are not my enemies, even if I disagree with them.

Aren't you Canadian? I feel politics typically isn't as polarizing here as it is in the US.
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MJ_Max posted...

I have no ties to either party, but liberals are generally right on most issues.

Legit laughed out loud
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Kineth posted...

Blue_Dream87 posted...

Not easy to shitpost as a moderate.

I beg to differ.


Also, being in the middle makes you an enemy of both teams.
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I really can't think of any right-wing advantages.

Usually only people who don't know enough about a certain topic choose to be a moderate.

Like if I ask you what is the better system, PS4 or Xbox One, would you really say "Well, both are good, just pick the one you like."
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well when right wingers have such great views about LGBT and health care, is it really that hard to lean towards the left?
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Akagami_Shanks posted...

well when left wingers have such great views about genders and hand outs is it really that hard to lean towards the right?

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Geiki Ganger posted...

Usually only people who don't know enough about a certain topic choose to be a moderate.

Like if I ask you what is the better system, PS4 or Xbox One, would you really say "Well, both are good, just pick the one you like."

That's only if you are focused on one issue and it's something cut and dry as one or the other. Many issues are complex and don't have simple solutions and as a whole a person can have both left and right views.

Most people are probably moderates, they just chose to align themselves to one side over a few issues.
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I'm moderate but democrats are better on 99% of the issues so whatever.

the answer must always be somewhere in the middle
the nazis say gas all the jews and everyone else says not to gas all the jews
obviously we should only gas some of the jews

please don't mod this, i'm just trying to make a point about centrism
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I see moderate views here expressed on a regular basis.
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being moderate is basically 100% useless these days
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Tmaster148 posted...

Many issues are complex and don't have simple solutions and as a whole a person can have both left and right views.

Well yes, but most people also have intrinsic leanings, whether it be left or right.

I am a firm believer that only people ignorant of the issues are true moderates. Cause otherwise you will be swayed one way or another.
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I'm not inclined to believe that truth lies in between liberalism and conservatism.
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Geiki Ganger posted...

Usually only people who don't know enough about a certain topic choose to be a moderate.

Like if I ask you what is the better system, PS4 or Xbox One, would you really say "Well, both are good, just pick the one you like."

One could argue the real thinkers are moderates. They take in information and mold opinions around it. They don't have a 'side' to simply default to.
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I am, there's things I like and dislike from both sides of the isle. But I support Trump because fuck scumbag Hillary. At least he killed the TPP and is putting dollars in my pockets, thousands of them.
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voldothegr8 posted...

But I support Trump because fuck scumbag Hillary.

lmao

Broseph_Stalin posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

But I support Trump because fuck scumbag Hillary.

lmao

I mean, I gave reasons why besides her being criminal scum.
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Garioshi posted...

the answer must always be somewhere in the middle
the nazis say gas all the jews and everyone else says not to gas all the jews
obviously we should only gas some of the jews

please don't mod this, i'm just trying to make a point about centrism

Didn't take long for Godwins Law to kick in
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I'm more of a moderate, though I'd be pretty left leaning if I knew a good way to be. Human nature tends to stand in the way of that.
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SGT_Conti posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

I actually openly embrace the concept of a democracy with multiple parties representing various views. I recognize that even my party isn't necessarily going to make the country better. I have the maturity to realize that even my party needs to be held accountable and challenged if it ever wants to succeed and that every country needs a careful balance of powers that keep each other in check.

That doesn't mean that I am apathetic towards politics, however. I wholeheartedly believe in the politics I believe, but I recognize that people that oppose are not my enemies, even if I disagree with them.

Aren't you Canadian? I feel politics typically isn't as polarizing here as it is in the US.

Yes, but I don't really agree with that. I think it's a lack of exposure and the more understated political attacks give that impression, but it's incredibly polarizing. For example, Saskatchewan is almost unanimously conservative both provincially and federally, and people are loyal even when those parties completely drop the ball. Hell, my facebook is always half divided between people praising Trudeau and those levying all sorts of ridiculous claims against him.

Blue_Dream87 posted...

Garioshi posted...

the answer must always be somewhere in the middle
the nazis say gas all the jews and everyone else says not to gas all the jews
obviously we should only gas some of the jews

please don't mod this, i'm just trying to make a point about centrism

Didn't take long for Godwins Law to kick in

i'm not comparing anyone to nazis, i'm just making the point that the correct answer is not always compromise
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Garioshi posted...

Blue_Dream87 posted...

Garioshi posted...

the answer must always be somewhere in the middle
the nazis say gas all the jews and everyone else says not to gas all the jews
obviously we should only gas some of the jews

please don't mod this, i'm just trying to make a point about centrism

Didn't take long for Godwins Law to kick in

i'm not comparing anyone to nazis, i'm just making the point that the correct answer is not always compromise

Your example is wrong though. I actually agree that everyone being moderate is stupid, but being a Nazi and being Jewish are not the only two options (and therefore not the two possible ends of the spectrum).

I'm guessing it's just easier to pick a side and hate all opposition than it is to see the strengths and flaws of both parties. And being moderate doesn't mean you never take an extreme position on an issue; you just don't take the extreme stance on every issue that one party typically does.

The Nazi example sounds more like a really bad compromise deal than an actual moderate view point.

In my head (and this isn't me), a moderate would be more like "I agree with gay marriage and LGBT issues, but disagree with allowing abortions" or "I agree that healthcare should be a free right, and we should strike against North Korea as opposed to diplomacy/waiting"

Garioshi posted...

Blue_Dream87 posted...

Garioshi posted...

the answer must always be somewhere in the middle
the nazis say gas all the jews and everyone else says not to gas all the jews
obviously we should only gas some of the jews

please don't mod this, i'm just trying to make a point about centrism

Didn't take long for Godwins Law to kick in

i'm not comparing anyone to nazis, i'm just making the point that the correct answer is not always compromise

Not always. I'd say I'm moderate, but more the purposes that my ideals can be liberal or conservative and, for some issues, I can see both sides as valid. I also see extreme ideals and people on both sides who, by pushing a "You're with us or against us" mentality, isolates others who may not be as convicted. That's why I'd rather not say "Oh I'm liberal/conservative/libertarian/whatever", try to see the arguments from multiple perspectives, and judge on a more case-by-case basis instead of selecting beliefs based on who holds them.
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>not being in the most extreme zones
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I'm actually more centered, but the last 3 years or so have shifted me from a solid Liberal to slightly to the right. Obama's presidency has made race-relations a thing of the past, turned the media into SJW gestapos, and made gender pronouns "intolerant."

I mean, you can't make this up.
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Im the obly moderate here capable of shitposting. Its why im known as CEs greatest shitposter. Australias ultimate weapon.
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Dash_Harber posted...

Your example is wrong though. I actually agree that everyone being moderate is stupid, but being a Nazi and being Jewish are not the only two options (and therefore not the two possible ends of the spectrum).

and this is the problem with being a moderate
the overton window is constantly shifting, and moderates in the 70's and 80's would be considered a leftist today, so being a moderate just means being in the middle and not having any consistent ideology
although in my analogy it was just being a nazi and not being a nazi, not being a nazi and being jewish
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You are not a moderate if you say shit like "I'm a moderate but I can't see any advantages on the right" or "I'm a moderate but constantly shift sides whenever it is convenient for me". So.... stop calling yourself a moderate if you're really not. I know you want to come off fair and impartial but dude have some fucking self-awareness.
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Veggeta X posted...

You are not a moderate if you say shit like "I'm a moderate but I can't see any advantages on the right" or "I'm a moderate but constantly shift sides whenever it is convenient for me". So.... stop calling yourself a moderate if you're really not. I know you want to come off fair and impartial but dude have some fucking self-awareness.

considering that one american political party has shifted much farther from the center than the other, i disagree with this statement

democrats are comparable to the centrist parties of other nations. america is slightly to the right of most countries, so this is not surprising. an american moderate is comparable to a conservative in the UK or France.

but the republican party at present is more comparable to the UKIP and French national front.
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Eh I don't really know what I am, because half the shit that is posted on this board is just that to me, shit that people get the biggest boner arguing or trolling over.
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I am a moderate. By US standards, that's far left, but by global standards, I'm pretty much dead center.
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Darkman124 posted...

considering that one american political party has shifted much farther from the center than the other, i disagree with this statement

democrats are comparable to the centrist parties of other nations. america is slightly to the right of most countries, so this is not surprising. an american moderate is comparable to a conservative in the UK or France.

but the republican party at present is more comparable to the UKIP and French national front.

Democrats are actually center-right in other industrialized nations. For example, only one faction of the Democratic Party supports universal healthcare in some capacity, which every other industrialized nation has and all of their mainstream parties support.
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Garioshi posted...

Actually, Democrats are actually center-right in other industrialized nations. For example, only one faction of the Democratic Party supports universal healthcare in some capacity, which every other industrialized nation has and all of their mainstream parties support.

that faction within the dems was enough to pass a public option bill in the house. it's the larger faction. i've always thought the idea that they're actually center-right in foreign countries was specious.
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Darkman124 posted...

that faction within the dems was enough to pass a public option bill in the house. it's the larger faction. i've always thought the idea that they're actually center-right in foreign countries was specious.

There is no public option. HR 676 has not been passed yet, and only 72 House Democrats initially supported it; grassroots demand, however, has forced about 30 to flip so far.
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Garioshi posted...

There is no public option. HR 676 has not been passed yet, and only 72 House Democrats initially supported it; grassroots demand, however, has forced about 30 to flip so far.

i mean in 2009, HR3590 I think.
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