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Antifar 05/16/17 9:39:38 AM #1:	https://www.brennancenter.org/publication/extreme-maps Using data from the 2012, 2014, and 2016 election cycles, Extreme Maps finds that partisan bias resulting largely from the worst gerrymandering abuses in just a few battleground states provides Republicans a durable advantage of 16-17 seats in the current Congress, representing a significant portion of the 24 seats Democrats would need to gain control of the House in 2020. These "extreme maps" were all drawn in states under single-party control; the report finds that conversely, maps drawn by independent commissions, courts, or split-party state governments had significantly less partisan bias in their maps. --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:879197775] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote>https://www.brennancenter.org/publication/extreme-maps <quote>Using data from the 2012, 2014, and 2016 election cycles, Extreme Maps finds that partisan bias resulting largely from the worst gerrymandering abuses in just a few battleground states provides Republicans a durable advantage of 16-17 seats in the current Congress, representing a significant portion of the 24 seats Democrats would need to gain control of the House in 2020. These "extreme maps" were all drawn in states under single-party control; the report finds that conversely, maps drawn by independent commissions, courts, or split-party state governments had significantly less partisan bias in their maps. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 05/16/17 9:41:29 AM #2:	Republicans cheat and call everyone else cheaters --- The Fam <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:879197828] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote>Republicans cheat and call everyone else cheaters</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 05/16/17 9:42:16 AM #3:	it surprises me that the number isn't higher in 2012 more people voted for dem house reps than republican house reps, but the massive republican lead was retained --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:879197859] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote>it surprises me that the number isn't higher in 2012 more people voted for dem house reps than republican house reps, but the massive republican lead was retained</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 05/16/17 9:42:51 AM #4:	This wouldn't even be an issue if democrats weren't a complete joke at the state level. Win state elections, you draw the districts. --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:879197886] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote>This wouldn't even be an issue if democrats weren't a complete joke at the state level. Win state elections, you draw the districts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 05/16/17 9:43:59 AM #5:	Gojak_v3 posted... This wouldn't even be an issue if democrats weren't a complete joke at the state level. Win state elections, you draw the districts. Incredible "Republicans gerrymandered 16 extra Reps" "Well it's the Dems fault" --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:879197937] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>This wouldn't even be an issue if democrats weren't a complete joke at the state level. Win state elections, you draw the districts. </quote> Incredible "Republicans gerrymandered 16 extra Reps" "Well it's the Dems fault"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weapon_d00d816 05/16/17 9:44:35 AM #6:	KiwiTerraRizing posted... Republicans cheat and call everyone else cheaters Democrats cheat but don't call anyone cheaters so they're so much better. --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG <cite>weapon_d00d816 posted [p:879197957] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote><cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted...</cite> <quote>Republicans cheat and call everyone else cheaters</quote> Democrats cheat but don't call anyone cheaters so they're so much better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 05/16/17 9:45:45 AM #7:	Gojak_v3 posted... This wouldn't even be an issue if democrats weren't a complete joke at the state level. Win state elections, you draw the districts. control of state government should not allow a party to disenfranchise their state's voters on the national level sadly gerrymandering is a practice that is generally not punished nearly enough by voters --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:879198002] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>This wouldn't even be an issue if democrats weren't a complete joke at the state level. Win state elections, you draw the districts. </quote> control of state government should not allow a party to disenfranchise their state's voters on the national level sadly gerrymandering is a practice that is generally not punished nearly enough by voters</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 05/16/17 9:46:35 AM #8:	Doom_Art posted... Gojak_v3 posted... This wouldn't even be an issue if democrats weren't a complete joke at the state level. Win state elections, you draw the districts. Incredible "Republicans gerrymandered 16 extra Reps" "Well it's the Dems fault" Bruh, that's literally the fix. Win state elections. --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:879198032] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>This wouldn't even be an issue if democrats weren't a complete joke at the state level. Win state elections, you draw the districts. </quote> Incredible "Republicans gerrymandered 16 extra Reps" "Well it's the Dems fault"</quote> Bruh, that's literally the fix. Win state elections.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/16/17 9:47:13 AM #9:	Darkman124 posted... sadly gerrymandering is a practice that is generally not punished nearly enough by voters Well, the neat thing about it is that it works to limit voters' ability to punish the gerrymanderers. --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:879198060] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>sadly gerrymandering is a practice that is generally not punished nearly enough by voters </quote> Well, the neat thing about it is that it works to limit voters' ability to punish the gerrymanderers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 05/16/17 9:48:06 AM #10:	This is why republicans win, once they win at the state level they can manipulate it to win at the national level. If dems where half as concerned with state elections as they are with federal they could undo this sort of thing. --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom http://i.imgur.com/9gYddqW.jpg <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:879198093] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote>This is why republicans win, once they win at the state level they can manipulate it to win at the national level. If dems where half as concerned with state elections as they are with federal they could undo this sort of thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/16/17 9:48:53 AM #11:	Gojak_v3 posted... Bruh, that's literally the fix. Win state elections. Also those are gerrymandered too. But, we've seen several cases over the past few years where GOP drawn districts have been deemed illegal by federal courts. So there's the alternative fix of "stop breaking the law, assholes." --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:879198136] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>Bruh, that's literally the fix. Win state elections. </quote> Also those are gerrymandered too. But, we've seen several cases over the past few years where GOP drawn districts have been deemed illegal by federal courts. So there's the alternative fix of "stop breaking the law, assholes."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DelianSK 05/16/17 9:49:44 AM #12:	Doom_Art posted... Gojak_v3 posted... This wouldn't even be an issue if democrats weren't a complete joke at the state level. Win state elections, you draw the districts. Incredible "Republicans gerrymandered 16 extra Reps" "Well it's the Dems fault" Exactly. Gerrymandering has been going on for years and years and years and years. Wikipedia shows evidence of it as far back as the early 1800's. I don't know why the public outcry over this now when it has happened countless times before where the other party got to draw the lines. Spoils of war. --- DawkinsNumber4 posted... I have no right to object to a public citizen in the US exercising their right to attend a court proceeding. <cite>DelianSK posted [p:879198179] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>This wouldn't even be an issue if democrats weren't a complete joke at the state level. Win state elections, you draw the districts. </quote> Incredible "Republicans gerrymandered 16 extra Reps" "Well it's the Dems fault"</quote> Exactly. Gerrymandering has been going on for years and years and years and years. Wikipedia shows evidence of it as far back as the early 1800's. I don't know why the public outcry over this now when it has happened countless times before where the other party got to draw the lines. Spoils of war.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 05/16/17 9:51:02 AM #13:	Antifar posted... Darkman124 posted... sadly gerrymandering is a practice that is generally not punished nearly enough by voters Well, the neat thing about it is that it works to limit voters' ability to punish the gerrymanderers. does it? gerrymandering is done by state senators and state house reps i was not under the impression they could redraw their own lines too --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:879198240] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>sadly gerrymandering is a practice that is generally not punished nearly enough by voters </quote> Well, the neat thing about it is that it works to limit voters' ability to punish the gerrymanderers.</quote> does it? gerrymandering is done by state senators and state house reps i was not under the impression they could redraw their own lines too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 05/16/17 9:52:23 AM #14:	And because they control the house, the senate and the seat, they'll get even stronger under Trump, expect mid terms to be completely in their favor in 2018, Especially because all the Dem seats are in the red. They'll be playing defense more than trying to grab up extra republican seats. It's amazing. As it stands, it's possible we'll be having a Republican controlled government on both national and federal level for the next few decades. --- I got nothing <cite>tremain07 posted [p:879198286] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote>And because they control the house, the senate and the seat, they'll get even stronger under Trump, expect mid terms to be completely in their favor in 2018, Especially because all the Dem seats are in the red. They'll be playing defense more than trying to grab up extra republican seats. It's amazing. As it stands, it's possible we'll be having a Republican controlled government on both national and federal level for the next few decades.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/16/17 9:53:12 AM #15:	Darkman124 posted... does it? gerrymandering is done by state senators and state house reps i was not under the impression they could redraw their own lines too Depends on the state who has that authority, but... http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/judges-to-state-redraw-legislative-districts-before-election/article_bff10235-7420-57f0-a185-c0f8939ca9b4.html http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article95080647.html http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/politics/southunionstreet/2017/01/20/12-alabama-legislative-districts-ruled-unconstitutional/96830710/ --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:879198322] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>does it? gerrymandering is done by state senators and state house reps i was not under the impression they could redraw their own lines too</quote> Depends on the state who has that authority, but... http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/judges-to-state-redraw-legislative-districts-before-election/article_bff10235-7420-57f0-a185-c0f8939ca9b4.html http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article95080647.html http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/politics/southunionstreet/2017/01/20/12-alabama-legislative-districts-ruled-unconstitutional/96830710/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 05/16/17 9:55:25 AM #16:	yeesh --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:879198418] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote>yeesh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CrimsonAngeI 05/16/17 9:57:59 AM #17:	Republicans wouldn't win anything if they didn't gerrymander or abuse the EC. --- Why am I here? <cite>CrimsonAngeI posted [p:879198540] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote>Republicans wouldn't win anything if they didn't gerrymander or abuse the EC.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/16/17 10:02:49 AM #18:	CrimsonAngeI posted... Republicans wouldn't win anything if they didn't gerrymander or abuse the EC. This I can't agree with; even this study suggests they'd still have a majority in the House (and how do you explain their success in the un-gerrymandered Senate?) --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:879198754] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonAngeI posted...</cite> <quote>Republicans wouldn't win anything if they didn't gerrymander or abuse the EC. </quote> This I can't agree with; even this study suggests they'd still have a majority in the House (and how do you explain their success in the un-gerrymandered Senate?)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 05/16/17 10:04:29 AM #19:	"Partisan gerrymandering, which refers to redistricting that favors one political party, has a long tradition in the United States that precedes the 1789 election of the First U.S. Congress. In 1788, Patrick Henry and his Anti-Federalist allies were in control of the Virginia House of Delegates. They drew the boundaries of Virginia's 5th congressional district in an unsuccessful attempt to keep James Madison out of the U.S. House of Representatives." --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:879198831] in Study: ger... [t:75351626]...</cite> <quote>"Partisan gerrymandering, which refers to redistricting that favors one political party, has a long tradition in the United States that precedes the 1789 election of the First U.S. Congress. In 1788, Patrick Henry and his Anti-Federalist allies were in control of the Virginia House of Delegates. They drew the boundaries of Virginia's 5th congressional district in an unsuccessful attempt to keep James Madison out of the U.S. House of Representatives."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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