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Antifar
05/12/17 3:39:51 PM
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https://www.dallasnews.com/news/child-protective-services/2017/05/10/texas-house-bar-vaccinations-foster-children-prevent-cancer
https://www.texastribune.org/2017/05/10/house-backs-measure-barring-mandatory-vaccines-foster-children/
What started as Texas House members discussing a bill that would improve the state’s Child Protective Services agency turned into a heated debate over vaccines — and whether they should be required for children placed in foster care.

And when the debate over House Bill 39 was over Wednesday, members passed a bill that would prevent new foster children from being vaccinated.

HB 39, by state Rep. Gene Wu, D-Houston, requires the Department of Family Protective Services to perform medical exams on children who have been in CPS custody for more than three business days. For children in rural areas, the exam would have to come within seven business days of being put in protective custody.

State Rep. Bill Zedler, R-Arlington, proposed an amendment that would prohibit those examinations from including vaccinations. He was joined by several Republican members of the Freedom Caucus who insisted that vaccines were invasive and unnecessary.

“Immunizations do not qualify as emergency care. No vaccine cures a disease,” Zedler said.

His amendment was adopted in a 74-58 vote, something Wu said would set a “dangerous precedent.” Under current law, biological parents have the final say as to whether their child gets vaccinated. HB 39 tentatively passed the House in a 120-15 vote.

There was bipartisan pushback against the amendment, most notably from state Rep. Sarah Davis, R-West University Place, who proposed an amendment to Zedler’s amendment that would require foster children to get vaccines proven to prevent cancer, such as the HPV vaccine.

“I know that in 2014, 429 deaths from cervical cancer occurred in Texas and that accounts for nearly 10 percent of the 4,200 deaths from cervical cancer nationally,” Davis said. “As I have said many times today, the HPV vaccine will eliminate cervical cancer.”

Her measure, however, was tabled in a 74-64 vote.

"Who in this body does not believe in the science of vaccines and want to risk their children and others?” Davis asked House members Wednesday afternoon.

To push back against Zedler's amendment, Wu offered up a motion that would allow vaccinations in the case of tetanus. It was adopted in a 74-58 vote.

Later Wednesday, Zedler told The Texas Tribune that most parents he's spoken to are often not anti-vaccine but instead don't like the regimented schedule. He said the group Texans for Vaccine Choice asked him to carry the amendment.

He said doing "cookie cutter medicine" by requiring every one follow a certain vaccine schedule is not a good approach to use. "No vaccine is an emergency," he said. "The only one that might possibly be is a tetanus shot."

Several members of the Freedom Caucus — including state Reps. Tony Tinderholt, R-Arlington, and Valoree Swanson, R-Spring — pushed back against Davis’ amendment, saying that sometimes children are wrongfully removed from their homes and if subjected to get vaccinated, the shot would be irreversible.

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Schwarber
05/12/17 3:40:36 PM
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protestTHEhero
05/12/17 3:41:20 PM
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Texas is so backwards
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AlephZero
05/12/17 3:42:41 PM
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Antifar posted...
sometimes children are wrongfully removed from their homes and if subjected to get vaccinated, the shot would be irreversible.

The horror! Can't imagine the mental anguish that might result from someone getting immunized against preventable diseases!
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CrimsonAngeI
05/12/17 3:42:58 PM
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I for one missed the measles.
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BLAKUboy
05/12/17 3:43:12 PM
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So is the Freedom Caucus just a group of paid trolls?
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ASithLord7
05/12/17 3:44:07 PM
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Schwarber posted...
Take that liberal scum!!

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Antifar
05/12/17 3:44:09 PM
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BLAKUboy posted...
So is the Freedom Caucus just a group of paid trolls?

They are not trolling.
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Questionmarktarius
05/12/17 3:45:17 PM
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Is there any real way to test for vaccinations?
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DarkChozoGhost
05/12/17 3:46:21 PM
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Should be the opposite if anything
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AugustAdoulin
05/12/17 3:46:30 PM
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is it too late to let Texas secede?
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P4wn4g3
05/12/17 3:49:18 PM
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I think the wall should go along the northern border of Texas.
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KiwiTerraRizing
05/12/17 3:49:19 PM
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If your kid is immune deficient and cant get vaccines, they're gonna die.

Take that liberals!
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Questionmarktarius
05/12/17 3:52:11 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Should be the opposite if anything

Probably. You're a ward of the state now, thus the state gets to make your medical decisions.
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TheVipaGTS
05/12/17 3:53:48 PM
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Haha! Another hit to the LIBERALS!
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CableZL
05/12/17 3:55:01 PM
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“Immunizations do not qualify as emergency care. No vaccine cures a disease,” Zedler said.

Oh my god this is such an idiotic statement
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Balrog0
05/12/17 3:56:04 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
I think the wall should go along the northern border of Texas.


I would build it in Texarkana because Im in Arkansas

http://www.voanews.com/a/sitting-in-two-states-at-once-129106053/162754.html
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BLAKUboy
05/12/17 3:56:30 PM
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CableZL posted...
“Immunizations do not qualify as emergency care. No vaccine cures a disease,” Zedler said.

Oh my god this is such an idiotic statement

The sentence directly before that is worse, honestly.
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P4wn4g3
05/12/17 3:58:38 PM
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CableZL posted...
“Immunizations do not qualify as emergency care. No vaccine cures a disease,” Zedler said.

Oh my god this is such an idiotic statement

Zedler later died of a mysterious condition he had earlier reported to be "allergies."
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DevsBro
05/12/17 3:59:16 PM
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Unborn: kill them all
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P4wn4g3
05/12/17 4:00:10 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Unborn: kill them all
Born: oh no save them

Republicans: Life only matters while it's in the womb.
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VectorChaos
05/12/17 4:01:25 PM
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AugustAdoulin posted...
is it too late to let Texas secede?

Let's hope not.
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GameofWheels
05/12/17 4:04:08 PM
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Everything is bigger in Texas, including the idiocy!
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prince_leo
05/12/17 4:04:40 PM
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I can see why someone who thinks vaccines have downsides to them might be okay with this
like, I can't get mad about this because it's just a cycle of ignorance
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iPhone_7
05/12/17 4:08:44 PM
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Cruel way to reduce foster child numbers
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QuantumScript
05/12/17 4:10:51 PM
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sounds like they're trying to remove it from being a mandatory thing for foster children?
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Questionmarktarius
05/12/17 4:12:45 PM
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QuantumScript posted...
sounds like they're trying to remove it from being a mandatory thing for foster children?

"Prohibit" suggests otherwise.
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QuantumScript
05/12/17 4:13:38 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
QuantumScript posted...
sounds like they're trying to remove it from being a mandatory thing for foster children?

"Prohibit" suggests otherwise.


Yeah, whether or not the exams should include vaccinations. IE whether or not mandatory examinations ought to include mandatory vaccinations. That's how it reads to me.
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Questionmarktarius
05/12/17 4:18:49 PM
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QuantumScript posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
QuantumScript posted...
sounds like they're trying to remove it from being a mandatory thing for foster children?

"Prohibit" suggests otherwise.


Yeah, whether or not the exams should include vaccinations. IE whether or not mandatory examinations ought to include mandatory vaccinations. That's how it reads to me.

...possibly.
Of course, all that does is add costs, since examination and vaccination apparently can't be done during the same doctor visit.
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QuantumScript
05/12/17 4:20:22 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
QuantumScript posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
QuantumScript posted...
sounds like they're trying to remove it from being a mandatory thing for foster children?

"Prohibit" suggests otherwise.


Yeah, whether or not the exams should include vaccinations. IE whether or not mandatory examinations ought to include mandatory vaccinations. That's how it reads to me.

...possibly.
Of course, all that does is add costs, since examination and vaccination apparently can't be done during the same doctor visit.


I think it's more a question of whether or not it is ethical to inject the children with vaccines. They seem to be operating from the position that there's risks to vaccinating people.
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Questionmarktarius
05/12/17 4:22:59 PM
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QuantumScript posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
QuantumScript posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
QuantumScript posted...
sounds like they're trying to remove it from being a mandatory thing for foster children?

"Prohibit" suggests otherwise.


Yeah, whether or not the exams should include vaccinations. IE whether or not mandatory examinations ought to include mandatory vaccinations. That's how it reads to me.

...possibly.
Of course, all that does is add costs, since examination and vaccination apparently can't be done during the same doctor visit.


I think it's more a question of whether or not it is ethical to inject the children with vaccines. They seem to be operating from the position that there's risks to vaccinating people.

Even the most panicky "OMG autism!" studies suggest the risk disappears entirely after two or three years of age.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908388/
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hyperpowder
05/12/17 4:36:21 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
I think the wall should go along the northern border of Texas.


I would build it in Texarkana because Im in Arkansas

http://www.voanews.com/a/sitting-in-two-states-at-once-129106053/162754.html


Arkansas is more ass backwords than Texas. Were just a slave to Evangelicals who spend millions to get our state officials elected.
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Pitbuller_26
05/12/17 4:37:33 PM
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P4wn4g3
05/12/17 5:09:43 PM
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hyperpowder posted...
Balrog0 posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
I think the wall should go along the northern border of Texas.


I would build it in Texarkana because Im in Arkansas

http://www.voanews.com/a/sitting-in-two-states-at-once-129106053/162754.html


Arkansas is more ass backwords than Texas. Were just a slave to Evangelicals who spend millions to get our state officials elected.

Texas is also extremely racist. It's basically home to the worst aspects of conservative ideals in America.
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LightHawKnight
05/12/17 5:10:46 PM
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How do insanely stupid people get this far?
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QuantumScript
05/12/17 5:10:46 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
QuantumScript posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
QuantumScript posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
QuantumScript posted...
sounds like they're trying to remove it from being a mandatory thing for foster children?

"Prohibit" suggests otherwise.


Yeah, whether or not the exams should include vaccinations. IE whether or not mandatory examinations ought to include mandatory vaccinations. That's how it reads to me.

...possibly.
Of course, all that does is add costs, since examination and vaccination apparently can't be done during the same doctor visit.


I think it's more a question of whether or not it is ethical to inject the children with vaccines. They seem to be operating from the position that there's risks to vaccinating people.

Even the most panicky "OMG autism!" studies suggest the risk disappears entirely after two or three years of age.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908388/


And? that doesn't change what they're actually voting for. TC's topic title is dihonest
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VectorChaos
05/12/17 8:23:29 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
How do insanely stupid people get this far?


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kingdrake2
05/12/17 8:25:16 PM
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texas is right, it doesn't cure a disease.
it prevents it from happening in the first place.
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hyperpowder
05/12/17 11:11:38 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
hyperpowder posted...
Balrog0 posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
I think the wall should go along the northern border of Texas.


I would build it in Texarkana because Im in Arkansas

http://www.voanews.com/a/sitting-in-two-states-at-once-129106053/162754.html


Arkansas is more ass backwords than Texas. Were just a slave to Evangelicals who spend millions to get our state officials elected.

Texas is also extremely racist. It's basically home to the worst aspects of conservative ideals in America.


No it's not, that would be Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, Georgia, Carolinas, Kentucky, Oklahoma, etc.

You're literally talking about a State with one of the most liberal cities in the country, two cities that are considered the best cities in the country for blacks to live in, and that whites will be a minority in 30 years.

Again, the evangelical right is what pushes this weird ass Texas politicians into power.
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Antifar
05/12/17 11:13:27 PM
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Pitbuller_26 posted...
Who in their right mind thought this was a good fucking idea?

Republicans, mainly
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P4wn4g3
05/12/17 11:23:58 PM
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hyperpowder posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
hyperpowder posted...
Balrog0 posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
I think the wall should go along the northern border of Texas.


I would build it in Texarkana because Im in Arkansas

http://www.voanews.com/a/sitting-in-two-states-at-once-129106053/162754.html


Arkansas is more ass backwords than Texas. Were just a slave to Evangelicals who spend millions to get our state officials elected.

Texas is also extremely racist. It's basically home to the worst aspects of conservative ideals in America.


No it's not, that would be Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, Georgia, Carolinas, Kentucky, Oklahoma, etc.

You're literally talking about a State with one of the most liberal cities in the country, two cities that are considered the best cities in the country for blacks to live in, and that whites will be a minority in 30 years.

Again, the evangelical right is what pushes this weird ass Texas politicians into power.

I'm from Texas and have plenty of family there. It's a very racist state. Maybe Austin isn't, but it's in the same state.
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Waluigi7
05/12/17 11:26:26 PM
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But I was told anti-vaxxer was a liberal position.
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Hinakuluiau
05/12/17 11:29:17 PM
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Waluigi7 posted...
But I was told anti-vaxxer was a liberal position.

Conservatives are against mandatory vaccinations because they don't want the government sticking its head in
Liberals are against it because of organic granola hippy vegan types

Most people on both sides are for vaccinations, it's just that in heavy red states they have higher vaccination rates, but in general both sides have people with reasons why they don't want vaccinations
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Gafemage
05/12/17 11:31:28 PM
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Unborn: kill them all
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_Rinku_
05/12/17 11:31:37 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
hyperpowder posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
hyperpowder posted...
Balrog0 posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
I think the wall should go along the northern border of Texas.


I would build it in Texarkana because Im in Arkansas

http://www.voanews.com/a/sitting-in-two-states-at-once-129106053/162754.html


Arkansas is more ass backwords than Texas. Were just a slave to Evangelicals who spend millions to get our state officials elected.

Texas is also extremely racist. It's basically home to the worst aspects of conservative ideals in America.


No it's not, that would be Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, Georgia, Carolinas, Kentucky, Oklahoma, etc.

You're literally talking about a State with one of the most liberal cities in the country, two cities that are considered the best cities in the country for blacks to live in, and that whites will be a minority in 30 years.

Again, the evangelical right is what pushes this weird ass Texas politicians into power.

I'm from Texas and have plenty of family there. It's a very racist state. Maybe Austin isn't, but it's in the same state.

It seems like many southern states have big pockets of more liberal-leaning populations.
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Questionmarktarius
05/12/17 11:36:44 PM
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_Rinku_ posted...
It seems like many southern states have big pockets of more liberal-leaning populations.

Then, how do you explain Indiana?
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_Rinku_
05/12/17 11:50:33 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
It seems like many southern states have big pockets of more liberal-leaning populations.

Then, how do you explain Indiana?

...Indiana isn't a southern state.
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Questionmarktarius
05/12/17 11:50:58 PM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
It seems like many southern states have big pockets of more liberal-leaning populations.

Then, how do you explain Indiana?

...Indiana isn't a southern state.

yeah. why are they acting like one?
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southcoast09
05/12/17 11:51:25 PM
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_Rinku_
05/13/17 12:08:16 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
It seems like many southern states have big pockets of more liberal-leaning populations.

Then, how do you explain Indiana?

...Indiana isn't a southern state.

yeah. why are they acting like one?

I don't know. I'm not from Indiana.
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