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Mal_Fet
05/11/17 1:19:02 PM
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Trump legally fires chief of FBI (which does effectively nothing to stop any FBI investigation)

Democrats:

ciNISYS

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Mal_Fet
05/11/17 1:35:38 PM
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Mr Sandbag
05/11/17 1:36:54 PM
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Liberal hypocrisy. Nothing new tbqh fam.
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ChromaticAngel
05/11/17 1:52:49 PM
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Republicans had the majority in the house for 6 years. So if anyone didn't impeach Obama, it would be the republicans as they were in charge while the NSA was breaking the law.

Obama also didn't do anything. Firing Comey is a direct order that has to come from the president.
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pikachupwnage
05/11/17 1:55:00 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Republicans had the majority in the house for 6 years. So if anyone didn't impeach Obama, it would be the republicans as they were in charge while the NSA was breaking the law.

Obama also didn't do anything. Firing Comey is a direct order that has to come from the president.


Don't you need a supermajority to impeach?
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Mal_Fet
05/11/17 1:59:27 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Republicans had the majority in the house for 6 years. So if anyone didn't impeach Obama, it would be the republicans as they were in charge while the NSA was breaking the law.

Obama also didn't do anything. Firing Comey is a direct order that has to come from the president.

Democrats don't need the ability to impeach the president in order to call for it, as they are now.

So why didn't they?
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ChromaticAngel
05/11/17 2:04:04 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Republicans had the majority in the house for 6 years. So if anyone didn't impeach Obama, it would be the republicans as they were in charge while the NSA was breaking the law.

Obama also didn't do anything. Firing Comey is a direct order that has to come from the president.

Democrats don't need the ability to impeach the president in order to call for it, as they are now.

So why didn't they?


See second point.
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Mal_Fet
05/11/17 2:05:22 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Republicans had the majority in the house for 6 years. So if anyone didn't impeach Obama, it would be the republicans as they were in charge while the NSA was breaking the law.

Obama also didn't do anything. Firing Comey is a direct order that has to come from the president.

Democrats don't need the ability to impeach the president in order to call for it, as they are now.

So why didn't they?


See second point.

See fifth post.
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ChromaticAngel
05/11/17 2:07:57 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Republicans had the majority in the house for 6 years. So if anyone didn't impeach Obama, it would be the republicans as they were in charge while the NSA was breaking the law.

Obama also didn't do anything. Firing Comey is a direct order that has to come from the president.

Democrats don't need the ability to impeach the president in order to call for it, as they are now.

So why didn't they?


See second point.

See fifth post.


answer: no. You need supermajority to break a filibuster which never happened because he was never impeached.
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PoopPotato
05/11/17 2:10:52 PM
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05/11/17 2:11:48 PM
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pikachupwnage posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Republicans had the majority in the house for 6 years. So if anyone didn't impeach Obama, it would be the republicans as they were in charge while the NSA was breaking the law.

Obama also didn't do anything. Firing Comey is a direct order that has to come from the president.


Don't you need a supermajority to impeach?


There must be a high crime or treason for impeachment.

The senate will try the case and it requires a 2/3 majority for a conviction.

Then the House of Representatives vote on the actual impeachment, which again requires a 2/3 majority.

The very first step is to charge Trump with a "high crime." That hasn't happened yet.
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Mal_Fet
05/11/17 2:12:31 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
answer: no. You need supermajority to break a filibuster which never happened because he was never impeached.

So back to my original question: How come democrats didn't call for Obama to be impeached?
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Kim Kusanagi
05/11/17 2:16:50 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
answer: no. You need supermajority to break a filibuster which never happened because he was never impeached.

So back to my original question: How come democrats didn't call for Obama to be impeached?


Because he didn't give any direct order and he didn't cover a crime he didn't commit.

You really aren't even trying now to cover up your trumpanzee status.
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Mal_Fet
05/11/17 2:19:51 PM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...
Because he didn't give any direct order

Oh? Was an investigation carried out in order to confirm that?

Also, he's still responsible for the NSA's actions as it is an agency of the executive branch.

and he didn't cover a crime he didn't commit.

Lol yeah he only started a manhunt for the whistleblower. No big deal!
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ChromaticAngel
05/11/17 2:24:28 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
Because he didn't give any direct order

Oh? Was an investigation carried out in order to confirm that?

Also, he's still responsible for the NSA's actions as it is an agency of the executive branch.

and he didn't cover a crime he didn't commit.

Lol yeah he only started a manhunt for the whistleblower. No big deal!


He broke the law. Even if the NSA also broke the law, that doesn't mean Snowdin isn't himself a lawbreaker.

And the president isn't necessarily responsible for what people under his command do. The reason Nixon got busted is because evidence came out that Nixon directly ordered people to B&E at Watergate.
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Mal_Fet
05/11/17 2:28:16 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
He broke the law. Even if the NSA also broke the law, that doesn't mean Snowdin isn't himself a lawbreaker.

This authoritarian logic right here.

"It's illegal to release proof that a government agency is doing illegal things, therefore it's ok that Obama prosecuted a whistleblower!"

R4JCInF

ChromaticAngel posted...
And the president isn't necessarily responsible for what people under his command do. The reason Nixon got busted is because evidence came out that Nixon directly ordered people to B&E at Watergate.

Democrats' limit for corruption worthy of impeachment is way lower than that though, as we've seen with them demanding impeachment of Trump for doing something completely legal.

I mean, it seems like they're all massive hypocrites or something.
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Kim Kusanagi
05/11/17 2:28:57 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Was an investigation carried out in order to confirm that?


Was there one to deny it?

What's that?

You're ASSuming things again?


Mal_Fet posted...
Lol yeah he only started a manhunt for the whistleblower.


Since when can criminals go scot free?

Mal, you really try so hard and fail so bad.
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Kim Kusanagi
05/11/17 2:30:32 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Democrats' limit for corruption is way lower than that though, as we've seen with them demanding impeachment of Trump for doing something completely legal.


No one is asking impeachment for the legal stuff he does.
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Mal_Fet
05/11/17 2:31:03 PM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...
Was there one to deny it?

There was no investigation. Because Obama was more corrupt than Trump is.

Kim Kusanagi posted...
Since when can criminals go scot free?

Mal_Fet posted...
This authoritarian logic right here.

"It's illegal to release proof that a government agency is doing illegal things, therefore it's ok that Obama prosecuted a whistleblower!"

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AlephZero
05/11/17 2:40:54 PM
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"trump is finished! his impeachment is just around the corner, this is the proof we need!" - democrats every day for the past four months
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ReignFury
05/11/17 2:43:06 PM
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Giant_Aspirin
05/11/17 2:45:28 PM
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if Obama did, in fact, break the law, why didn't the Republican controlled Congress do anything about it? i'm asking this question because I think Mal's assertion that the law was broken is incorrect -- if the Republicans had a shred of hope at impeachment, they would have been all over it like flies on shit.
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Mal_Fet
05/11/17 2:46:55 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
if Obama did, in fact, break the law, why didn't the Republican controlled Congress do anything about it?

I don't think you guys understand the point of this topic.

If what Obama did wasn't worth getting impeached over, why is this something democrats want Trump impeached over?
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Kim Kusanagi
05/11/17 2:47:28 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
Was there one to deny it?

There was no investigation. Because Obama was more corrupt than Trump is.

Kim Kusanagi posted...
Since when can criminals go scot free?

Mal_Fet posted...
This authoritarian logic right here.

"It's illegal to release proof that a government agency is doing illegal things, therefore it's ok that Obama prosecuted a whistleblower!"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#Criminal_charges

On June 14, 2013, United States federal prosecutors filed a criminal complaint against Snowden, charging him with theft of government property, and two counts of violating the Espionage Act through unauthorized communication of national defense information and "willful communication of classified communications intelligence information to an unauthorized person."


Tell me if you need deeper explanations trumpanzee
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Giant_Aspirin
05/11/17 2:48:16 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
If what Obama did wasn't worth getting impeached over,


you mean because it wasn't illegal?

Mal_Fet posted...
why is this something democrats want Trump impeached over?


Democrats will look for any reason at all to criticize Trump. you sound surprised. and yes, your precious Republicans (i know you aren't a Republican) protect their own, too.
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Mal_Fet
05/11/17 3:02:29 PM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
Was there one to deny it?

There was no investigation. Because Obama was more corrupt than Trump is.

Kim Kusanagi posted...
Since when can criminals go scot free?

Mal_Fet posted...
This authoritarian logic right here.

"It's illegal to release proof that a government agency is doing illegal things, therefore it's ok that Obama prosecuted a whistleblower!"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#Criminal_charges

On June 14, 2013, United States federal prosecutors filed a criminal complaint against Snowden, charging him with theft of government property, and two counts of violating the Espionage Act through unauthorized communication of national defense information and "willful communication of classified communications intelligence information to an unauthorized person."


Tell me if you need deeper explanations trumpanzee

You're literally defending the manhunt for Edward snowden because it was illegal to release information that proves what the NSA was doing is illegal. What's it like being such an unapologetic authoritarian?
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Mal_Fet
05/11/17 3:04:52 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
you mean because it wasn't illegal?

What the NSA did was decidedly illegal, actually.

Giant_Aspirin posted...
Democrats will look for any reason at all to criticize Trump. you sound surprised. and yes, your precious Republicans (i know you aren't a Republican) protect their own, too.

I agree, but I challenge you to find an offense worse than what the NSA did that the republicans actually defended. In this millennium, ideally.
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Maze_
05/11/17 3:06:35 PM
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I can't help but wonder if all the people calling for Trumps impeachment every week just makes it less likely that he will be impeached.


Boy who cried wolf and all that.

At this point if video footage surfaced of Trump murdering US soldiers, people would just ignore or excuse it because they've heard so much so quickly for 15 months on end that it's white noise at this point
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Kim Kusanagi
05/11/17 3:07:58 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
You're literally defending the manhunt for Edward snowden because it was illegal


Well of course I will stand against something that is fucking illegal and treasonous.

You are willing to overlook it just because it was under Obama's government.
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Maze_
05/11/17 3:12:51 PM
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It's kinda flawed anyway to say "But Obama." instead of defending Trump.

Even if you think Obama was the spawn of satan, how does that defend any of Trump's actions? Good or bad?
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ChromaticAngel
05/11/17 3:52:49 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
you mean because it wasn't illegal?

What the NSA did was decidedly illegal, actually.


What the NSA did is irrelevant. Obama didn't do anything illegal.
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Xeno14
05/11/17 3:56:17 PM
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i'm not sure why suddenly people are rallying behind comey. Its quite common for many to blame him entirely for Trump getting elected by releasing his letter in october about reopening the case about clintons emails due to carlos danger's devices containing them from his underage sexting thing.
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creativerealms
05/11/17 3:56:39 PM
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The dems won't impeach Trump because they know President Pence will be worse.
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The Admiral
05/11/17 3:58:54 PM
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These impotent liberal fantasies over Trump being impeached -- for literally a new reason every week now -- are pretty comical at this point.

He's not getting impeached, guys. Time to start dealing with that.
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creativerealms
05/11/17 4:00:13 PM
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The Admiral posted...
These impotent liberal fantasies over Trump being impeached -- for literally a new reason every week now -- are pretty comical at this point.

He's not getting impeached, guys. Time to start dealing with that.

Any liberal with an ounce of common sense knows Pence would be far worse then Trump.
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Kim Kusanagi
05/11/17 4:03:57 PM
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The Admiral posted...
These impotent liberal fantasies over Trump being impeached -- for literally a new reason every week now -- are pretty comical at this point.

He's not getting impeached, guys. Time to start dealing with that.


Sounds like false self reassurance
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VectorChaos
05/11/17 4:10:42 PM
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PoopPotato posted...
Sometimes I fart into my cupped hand and throw it, pretending it's a ball of magic stink

I hope you yell 'Hadouken' or you're doing it wrong
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Microwaved_Eggs
05/11/17 4:12:03 PM
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PoopPotato posted...
Sometimes I fart into my cupped hand and throw it, pretending it's a ball of magic stink

same
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ChromaticAngel
05/11/17 4:13:22 PM
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creativerealms posted...
The dems won't impeach Trump because they know President Pence will be worse.


No he won't. That may have been a joke at one point, but Pence is much more qualified than Trump.
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Tmaster148
05/11/17 4:14:44 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
creativerealms posted...
The dems won't impeach Trump because they know President Pence will be worse.


No he won't. That may have been a joke at one point, but Pence is much more qualified than Trump.


Also if Trump really is committing treason, I don't see why anyone would rather want him to stay in office over dealing with Pence.
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Mal_Fet
05/11/17 4:42:16 PM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
You're literally defending the manhunt for Edward snowden because it was illegal


Well of course I will stand against something that is fucking illegal and treasonous.

You are willing to overlook it just because it was under Obama's government.

Weeks before the NSA leak Obama said whistleblowers were patriotic

Then when someone whistleblew him, you say its treasonous.

Like a fucking hypocrite.

Maze_ posted...
It's kinda flawed anyway to say "But Obama." instead of defending Trump.

Even if you think Obama was the spawn of satan, how does that defend any of Trump's actions? Good or bad?

What's there to defend? Firing Comey in no way would halt ongoing FBI investigations. The uproar over this is based on a fucking lie.
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Kim Kusanagi
05/11/17 5:17:00 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Weeks before the NSA leak Obama said whistleblowers were patriotic

Then when someone whistleblew him, you say its treasonous.

Like a f***ing hypocrite.


What part of this you don't understand Trumpanzee?

theft of government property, and two counts of violating the Espionage Act through unauthorized communication of national defense information and "willful communication of classified communications intelligence information to an unauthorized person."


BTW, I find hilarious that a man who says that Trump has a lot in common with his "libertarian" ideology by throwing in here a pic of the libertarian proposals (which happened to be completely and blatantly opposed to Trump's in said pic) has the gall to call hypocrisy.
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creativerealms
05/11/17 7:03:53 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
creativerealms posted...
The dems won't impeach Trump because they know President Pence will be worse.


No he won't. That may have been a joke at one point, but Pence is much more qualified than Trump.

Actually that's why Pence is worse. Trump has no clue what he's doing and as such won't unable to do as much as he and the far right want. But Pence he knows the constitution, knows what he can do and that makes him worse. He is a far right Christian nationalist who would like nothing less then a christian theocracy.

Trump is a joke, Pence is scary. I have seen what he tried to do to my state of Indiana. I don't want him to try that on a national scale.
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ChromaticAngel
05/11/17 7:06:49 PM
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creativerealms posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
creativerealms posted...
The dems won't impeach Trump because they know President Pence will be worse.


No he won't. That may have been a joke at one point, but Pence is much more qualified than Trump.

Actually that's why Pence is worse. Trump has no clue what he's doing and as such won't unable to do as much as he and the far right want. But Pence he knows the constitution, knows what he can do and that makes him worse. He is a far right Christian nationalist who would like nothing less then a christian theocracy.

Trump is a joke, Pence is scary. I have seen what he tried to do to my state of Indiana. I don't want him to try that on a national scale.


No. It's like Portal 2 Wheatley vs Glados.

Glados is competent and deliberately evil but Wheatley is worse in every way.
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