Current Events > Trump wants to revert new carriers to steam catapults

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http://time.com/4775040/donald-trump-time-interview-being-president/

You know the catapult is quite important. So I said what is this? Sir, this is our digital catapult system. He said well, we're going to this because we wanted to keep up with modern [technology]. I said you don't use steam anymore for catapult? No sir. I said, "Ah, how is it working?" "Sir, not good. Not good. Doesn't have the power. You know the steam is just brutal. You see that sucker going and steam's going all over the place, there's planes thrown in the air."

It sounded bad to me. Digital. They have digital. What is digital? And it's very complicated, you have to be Albert Einstein to figure it out. And I said - and now they want to buy more aircraft carriers. I said what system are you going to be - "Sir, we're staying with digital." I said no you're not. You going to goddamned steam, the digital costs hundreds of millions of dollars more money and it's no good.

fucking magnets, how do they work

You have to be Albert Einsteina
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Ugh, Trump is the worst kind of person. The self-sure idiot. The idiot who thinks he's a genius, because he's too stupid to realize that everyone telling him he's an idiot are being serious.
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What in the fuck? This is actually insane.
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That whole interview... Just what the fuck?

Made only one attempt at Healthcare? Lol

He spins more than his supporters do

ITT people being somehow surprised that Donald Trump is not acting like a president.
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I'm not even sure what he's talking about. Was he socked in the head with a brick minutes before the interview?
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Gotta admit, us democrats have the be very thankful that Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot by standing by such an incompetent leader.
Wouldn't be surprised if we win big in 2018 and take everything back in 2020.

Donald Trump is proving he is basically just an old fart. Who may be suffering from dementia.

Now, normally I don't call 70 year olds old farts, but, you know, obesity ages a person a little faster.
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KarmaMuffin posted...

Gotta admit, us democrats have the be very thankful that Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot by standing by such an incompetent leader.
Wouldn't be surprised if we win big in 2018 and take everything back in 2020.

I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure we do. :o Voting, donating, making phone calls, etc.

What was wrong with what he said?
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KarmaMuffin posted...

Gotta admit, us democrats have the be very thankful that Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot by standing by such an incompetent leader.
Wouldn't be surprised if we win big in 2018 and take everything back in 2020.

What's gonna happen in 2018?
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DifferentialEquation posted...

What was wrong with what he said?

Can you tell us what he was actually saying with all that? All I hear is a bunch of idiot-speak.

DekuPoe posted...

What's gonna happen in 2018?

Mid-term elections. A bunch of offices are up for grabs.
Granted, most of them are in republican heavy areas so it's an uphill fight for democrats, but just look at Jon Ossoff (Democrat) in the Georgia 6th Congressional District (special election) for an idea on how active Democrats have become after Trump has ran everything into shit

I don't know if I'm confident we'll win anything in 2018, but 2020 I think we can flip it if we carry this momentum.

KarmaMuffin posted...

DekuPoe posted...

What's gonna happen in 2018?

Mid-term elections. A bunch of offices are up for grabs.
Granted, most of them are in republican heavy areas so it's an uphill fight for democrats, but just look at Jon Ossoff (Democrat) in the Georgia 6th Congressional District (special election) for an idea on how active Democrats have become after Trump has ran everything into shit

I don't know if I'm confident we'll win anything in 2018, but 2020 I think we can flip it if we carry this momentum.

The other thing is that 2018 midterm has more democrat seats up for grabs than republicans.
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This guy is a disgrace, I feel bad for the Americans who have to put up with someone so... flat out dumb representing them
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Tmaster148 posted...

The other thing is that 2018 midterm has more democrat seats up for grabs than republicans.

Yep! That's the other issue for 2018.
If we're lucky we can expect similar seats across the country, but that's about it.

I'm still trying to figure out what a "digital" is

treewojima posted...

I'm still trying to figure out what a "digital" is

Look it up on the cyber
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Mikablu posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

What was wrong with what he said?

Can you tell us what he was actually saying with all that? All I hear is a bunch of idiot-speak.

He's saying that when you're in government and spending lots of taxpayer money, you have to perform a very careful cost benefit analysis when adopting new technology so that you don't waste money.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Mikablu posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

What was wrong with what he said?

Can you tell us what he was actually saying with all that? All I hear is a bunch of idiot-speak.

He's saying that when you're in government and spending lots of taxpayer money, you have to perform a very careful cost benefit analysis when adopting new technology so that you don't waste money.

I wonder what the costs of taking the carrier's steam system back to the drawing board are, as well as the cost of retrofitting the one carrier that has already been built

all because he doesn't understand how a digital works

digital bump

Trump mouthing off about something he obviously knows nothing about? I'm shocked! /s
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he's right. what is digital, really?

Doesn't he know trebuchets are stronger than catapults
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CowboyDan posted...

What in the fuck? This is actually insane.

That was quite a read.
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treewojima posted...

you have to be Albert Einstein to figure it out.

lmao
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mustachedmystic posted...

Trump mouthing off about something he obviously knows nothing about? I'm shocked! /s

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Its great steam
american steam
blue collar steam
this steam needs it job back
JOBS FOR STEAM!
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DifferentialEquation posted...

What was wrong with what he said?

Electronic catapults are superior in every way to the old steam-powered ones, there's a reason we upgraded.

Trump decides that's no good because he likes the idea of steam-powered catapults more than stuff he doesn't understand.
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That was terribly transcribed, but you people seriously have zero reading comprehension skills.

It sounds like he talked to some Navy people and they said their catapults (for launching aircraft off of carriers) were changed to a less effective digital version for no reason other than being "modern," when the old version worked better.
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Guys this just in!:

Trump brining back the Model T car!
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deupd_u posted...

That was terribly transcribed, but you people seriously have zero reading comprehension skills.

It sounds like he talked to some Navy people and they said their catapults (for launching aircraft off of carriers) were changed to a less effective digital version for no reason other than being "modern," when the old version worked better.

But the digital ones are better, Trump is just too thick to think beyond "steam=cool, digital=complicated." Try actually looking into the issue.
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E32005 posted...

Its great steam
american steam
blue collar steam
this steam needs it job back
JOBS FOR STEAM!

Trump's thought process in a mutshell
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I'm sure eventually the Navy brass will get together, and using small words(gotta play to your audiance) explain to him how the "digital" catapults result in less wear and tear on the airframes, and they can even arrest small craft, like drones without any damage, saving money in the long term. The President will be like "duhh, ok *drools all over ill fitting suit*".
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deupd_u posted...

That was terribly transcribed, but you people seriously have zero reading comprehension skills.

It sounds like he talked to some Navy people and they said their catapults (for launching aircraft off of carriers) were changed to a less effective digital version for no reason other than being "modern," when the old version worked better.

Steam catapults don't work better, though.
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marthsheretoo posted...

deupd_u posted...

That was terribly transcribed, but you people seriously have zero reading comprehension skills.

It sounds like he talked to some Navy people and they said their catapults (for launching aircraft off of carriers) were changed to a less effective digital version for no reason other than being "modern," when the old version worked better.

But the digital ones are better, Trump is just too thick to think beyond "steam=cool, digital=complicated." Try actually looking into the issue.

I just don't see any reason the Navy would upgrade to be modern unless there was a significant benefit to upgrading. Considering our military uses out of date technology for our nukes.
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marthsheretoo posted...

But the digital ones are better, Trump is just too thick to think beyond "steam=cool, digital=complicated." Try actually looking into the issue.

Supposedly, people from the Navy said otherwise; at face value, there's nothing wrong with what he said. Neither you or I know a damn thing about aircraft catapults, so the jury is out. Getting belligerent because it sounds kinda sorta maybe like something that could be dumb is illogical at this stage.
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Tmaster148 posted...

I just don't see any reason the Navy would upgrade to be modern unless there was a significant benefit to upgrading. Considering our military uses out of date technology for our nukes.

http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/how-things-work-electromagnetic-catapults-14474260/?c=y&page=1

As the 21st century dawns, steam catapults are running out of steam. Massive systems that require significant manpower to operate and maintain, they are reaching the limits of their abilities, especially as aircraft continue to gain weight. Electromagnetic catapults will require less manpower to operate and improve reliability; they should also lengthen aircraft service life by being gentler on airframes.

The amount of steam needed to launch an airplane depends on the craft’s weight, and once a launch has begun, adjustments cannot be made: If too much steam is used, the nosewheel landing gear, which attaches to the catapult, can be ripped off the aircraft. If too little steam is used, the aircraft won’t reach takeoff speed and will tumble into the water. The launch control system for electromagnetic catapults, on the other hand, will know what speed an aircraft should have at any point during the launch sequence, and can make adjustments during the process to ensure that an aircraft will be within 3 mph of the desired takeoff speed.

So yeah... There is a significant benefit to upgrading to electromagnetic catapults.
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deupd_u posted...

Supposedly, people from the Navy said otherwise; at face value, there's nothing wrong with what he said. Neither you or I know a damn thing about aircraft catapults, so the jury is out. Getting belligerent because it sounds kinda sorta maybe like something that could be dumb is illogical at this stage.

A bit of research outlines the benefits of electromagnetic catapults vs steam catapults. You don't have to be an expert to do research. The internet exists.
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Tmaster148 posted...

marthsheretoo posted...

deupd_u posted...

That was terribly transcribed, but you people seriously have zero reading comprehension skills.

It sounds like he talked to some Navy people and they said their catapults (for launching aircraft off of carriers) were changed to a less effective digital version for no reason other than being "modern," when the old version worked better.

But the digital ones are better, Trump is just too thick to think beyond "steam=cool, digital=complicated." Try actually looking into the issue.

I just don't see any reason the Navy would upgrade to be modern unless there was a significant benefit to upgrading. Considering our military uses out of date technology for our nukes.

The arresting force(don't know if that's the right terminology), of the new system is much more customizable, allowing for much less damage to airframes large and small.
In other words, yes there is a significant benefit.
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lmao. He probably thought there was a steam whistle like they had on trains and he wanted to blow it like a big boy. Poor fella got upset when he wasn't able to.
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deupd_u posted...

marthsheretoo posted...

But the digital ones are better, Trump is just too thick to think beyond "steam=cool, digital=complicated." Try actually looking into the issue.

Supposedly, people from the Navy said otherwise; at face value, there's nothing wrong with what he said. Neither you or I know a damn thing about aircraft catapults, so the jury is out. Getting belligerent because it sounds kinda sorta maybe like something that could be dumb is illogical at this stage.

Can you maybe stop projecting your ignorance on everybody else and do some fucking research?
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CableZL posted...

deupd_u posted...

Supposedly, people from the Navy said otherwise; at face value, there's nothing wrong with what he said. Neither you or I know a damn thing about aircraft catapults, so the jury is out. Getting belligerent because it sounds kinda sorta maybe like something that could be dumb is illogical at this stage.

A bit of research outlines the benefits of electromagnetic catapults vs steam catapults. You don't have to be an expert to do research. The internet exists.

I have no interest in learning about such a thing (and I highly doubt anyone here has, or desires to), I'm just making a logical point.
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deupd_u posted...

I have no interest in learning about such a thing (and I highly doubt anyone here has, or desires to), I'm just making a logical point.

You aren't making a logical point, though. You're being willfully ignorant, trying to piece an argument together, and calling it logical.
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deupd_u posted...

CableZL posted...

deupd_u posted...

Supposedly, people from the Navy said otherwise; at face value, there's nothing wrong with what he said. Neither you or I know a damn thing about aircraft catapults, so the jury is out. Getting belligerent because it sounds kinda sorta maybe like something that could be dumb is illogical at this stage.

A bit of research outlines the benefits of electromagnetic catapults vs steam catapults. You don't have to be an expert to do research. The internet exists.

I have no interest in learning about such a thing (and I highly doubt anyone here has, or desires to), I'm just making a logical point.

Yeah, you can't call your points logical when they're predicated around refusing to educate yourself on the issue at hand.
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Not understanding how something works isn't a reason to revert to older and crappier technology.
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deupd_u posted...

I have no interest in learning about such a thing (and I highly doubt anyone here has, or desires to), I'm just making a logical point.

Trump supporters, ladies and gentlemen
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What an idiot.

Also this deupd_u guy isn't much better lol
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