Current Events > I've officially flipped on abortion. Her body, her choice.

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Hinakuluiau
05/04/17 10:48:57 PM
#52:


Nomadic View posted...
"my body my choice!" That's an oversimplified and overly broad mantra for an issue that is much more narrow. No one is saying a woman can't get her ears pierced, have her gall bladder removed, or even cut her own foot off. It's her body, it's her choice. This chant makes sense for those issues. Where it falls short is when that choice affects the life of someone else.

I hope you're okay with mandatory blood donation, organ donation, bone marrow donation, etc. since they're also about affecting someone else's life at the risk of taking away their bodily autonomy.
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3rd_Best_Master
05/04/17 10:59:36 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
Yes

Ok, just checking.
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Borgnar
05/04/17 11:00:57 PM
#54:


Nomadic View posted...
No one is wanting to punish the female. People are looking out for the interest of the unborn child. And that's where the battlefield is. The interests of the mother verses the interests of the child.

But you're kind of not. Cause if she wants to she can do whatever she wanted to ruin that pregnancy with drugs and alcohol.

Unless you want to control that too.

Then why stop there? Why not have a body cam on her 24/7 and whenever she get out of line you come and check her.

Unborn babies are at the mercy of the mother. Thats a consequence of life.
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AugustAdoulin
05/04/17 11:05:20 PM
#55:


And what if the mother wants to go on a haunted hayride when she's pregnant? are we supposed to stop that too?
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UnfairRepresent
05/04/17 11:06:29 PM
#56:


Hinakuluiau posted...
Nomadic View posted...
"my body my choice!" That's an oversimplified and overly broad mantra for an issue that is much more narrow. No one is saying a woman can't get her ears pierced, have her gall bladder removed, or even cut her own foot off. It's her body, it's her choice. This chant makes sense for those issues. Where it falls short is when that choice affects the life of someone else.

I hope you're okay with mandatory blood donation, organ donation, bone marrow donation, etc. since they're also about affecting someone else's life at the risk of taking away their bodily autonomy.

Fun fact on that, if a man stabbed you and then died. And you had the same blood type, needed a transfusion to live and the hospital didn't have your blood, it would be consider an immoral ethical violation of rights to take his blood and give it to you.

The corpse of a dead man who stabbed you has more rights than a living woman. Keep that in mind
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Manocheese
05/04/17 11:07:36 PM
#57:


I've officially flipped on slavery. His property, his choice.
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marthsheretoo
05/04/17 11:28:25 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Fun fact on that, if a man stabbed you and then died. And you had the same blood type, needed a transfusion to live and the hospital didn't have your blood, it would be consider an immoral ethical violation of rights to take his blood and give it to you.

The corpse of a dead man who stabbed you has more rights than a living woman. Keep that in mind


Quoted so they see it a second time.
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GiftedACIII
05/04/17 11:36:53 PM
#59:


Manocheese posted...
I've officially flipped on slavery. His property, his choice.

Humans can't be someone else's property
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Manocheese
05/05/17 1:18:58 AM
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GiftedACIII posted...
Manocheese posted...
I've officially flipped on slavery. His property, his choice.

Humans can't be someone else's property

Exactly. Your baby is not your property. You shouldn't be allowed to kill it.
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GiftedACIII
05/05/17 1:26:53 AM
#61:


Manocheese posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Manocheese posted...
I've officially flipped on slavery. His property, his choice.

Humans can't be someone else's property

Exactly. Your baby is not your property. You shouldn't be allowed to kill it.

It's not about property, it's about body. You are allowed to do what you want with your body.
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metralo
05/05/17 1:28:00 AM
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Manocheese posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Manocheese posted...
I've officially flipped on slavery. His property, his choice.

Humans can't be someone else's property

Exactly. Your baby is not your property. You shouldn't be allowed to kill it.


its not a human
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Dragonblade01
05/05/17 1:29:41 AM
#63:


Manocheese posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Manocheese posted...
I've officially flipped on slavery. His property, his choice.

Humans can't be someone else's property

Exactly. Your baby is not your property. You shouldn't be allowed to kill it.

But your body is your property.

And that's the point.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
05/05/17 1:32:57 AM
#64:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Doe posted...
I used to be very pro-choice but recently I feel I've been switching

Children are precious

Good thing nobody is supporting aborting children then

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
I believe in abortion up to the 57th trimester. Children are a parents responsibility and if they want to end your life that's there choice. Children are parasites feasting off parents and its their life and their choice.

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Crazyman93
05/05/17 1:34:57 AM
#65:


Borgnar posted...
At any stage even. I still think they are people but they have no claims to their mothers body. Its entirely up to her if she wants to give it life.

You got her pregnant didn't you?
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KingCrabCake
05/05/17 1:42:44 AM
#66:


Borgnar posted...
At any stage even. .


Okay murderer
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smoliske
05/05/17 1:44:21 AM
#67:


GiftedACIII posted...
Manocheese posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Manocheese posted...
I've officially flipped on slavery. His property, his choice.

Humans can't be someone else's property

Exactly. Your baby is not your property. You shouldn't be allowed to kill it.

It's not about property, it's about body. You are allowed to do what you want with your body.


Not at the expense of another human life.
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marthsheretoo
05/05/17 1:45:05 AM
#68:


Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Doe posted...
I used to be very pro-choice but recently I feel I've been switching

Children are precious

Good thing nobody is supporting aborting children then

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
I believe in abortion up to the 57th trimester. Children are a parents responsibility and if they want to end your life that's there choice. Children are parasites feasting off parents and its their life and their choice.


Your post was too stupid to reply to the first time around, what made you think the second would be different?
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KingCrabCake
05/05/17 1:45:16 AM
#69:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Doe posted...
I used to be very pro-choice but recently I feel I've been switching

Children are precious

Good thing nobody is supporting aborting children then


Except tc....literally his first sentence. Learn to fucking read you illiterate man baby
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GiftedACIII
05/05/17 1:47:07 AM
#70:


smoliske posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Manocheese posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Manocheese posted...
I've officially flipped on slavery. His property, his choice.

Humans can't be someone else's property

Exactly. Your baby is not your property. You shouldn't be allowed to kill it.

It's not about property, it's about body. You are allowed to do what you want with your body.


Not at the expense of another human life.

We've already established you're a shitposter many topics past.
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KingCrabCake
05/05/17 1:51:36 AM
#71:


Its scary that CE is okay with a baby being killed for any reason but God forbid you find 2 grand on the floor and keep it
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Dragonblade01
05/05/17 2:19:43 AM
#72:


smoliske posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Manocheese posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Manocheese posted...
I've officially flipped on slavery. His property, his choice.

Humans can't be someone else's property

Exactly. Your baby is not your property. You shouldn't be allowed to kill it.

It's not about property, it's about body. You are allowed to do what you want with your body.


Not at the expense of another human life.

Even at the expense of another human's life. That's how it is for everything related to bodily autonomy. The fetus doesn't get special exemption.
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AugustAdoulin
05/05/17 7:14:14 AM
#73:


would you guys be okay with being forced to give up one of your kidneys to someone in desperate need of one? I mean it wouldn't kill you and it would save a life. You only need one kidney.

How dare you try and choose to keep your kidney when another life is at risk. :v
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KingCrabCake
05/05/17 7:19:21 AM
#74:


AugustAdoulin posted...
would you guys be okay with being forced to give up one of your kidneys to someone in desperate need of one? I mean it wouldn't kill you and it would save a life. You only need one kidney.

How dare you try and choose to keep your kidney when another life is at risk. :v


Do i know the person @AugustAdoulin
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AugustAdoulin
05/05/17 8:04:55 AM
#75:


KingCrabCake posted...
AugustAdoulin posted...
would you guys be okay with being forced to give up one of your kidneys to someone in desperate need of one? I mean it wouldn't kill you and it would save a life. You only need one kidney.

How dare you try and choose to keep your kidney when another life is at risk. :v


Do i know the person @AugustAdoulin


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GOATSLAYER
05/05/17 8:06:53 AM
#76:


It's only okay if it's extremely early on
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clearaflagrantj
05/05/17 8:09:24 AM
#77:


It's funny how pro-lifers always refer to the fetus as a baby/child because appealing to emotion is their only argument.
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Samurontai
05/05/17 8:10:48 AM
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^ even though a fetus is the literal definition of a parasite

They tend to ignore that part when it's brought up though
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Kazuma_Yagami
05/05/17 8:23:09 AM
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clearaflagrantj posted...
It's funny how pro-lifers always refer to the fetus as a baby/child because appealing to emotion is their only argument.


It's funny how pro-choices refer to the early stages of a human being as a fetus because appealing to emotion is their only argument.

It goes both ways buddy. Try again
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Dragonblade01
05/05/17 8:25:07 AM
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I'm willing to call it whatever you want, because even if it's a person with full rights, abortion is still perfectly acceptable. Unfortunate, perhaps, but acceptable.
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AugustAdoulin
05/05/17 8:25:29 AM
#81:


Kazuma_Yagami posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
It's funny how pro-lifers always refer to the fetus as a baby/child because appealing to emotion is their only argument.


It's funny how pro-choices refer to the early stages of a human being as a fetus because appealing to emotion is their only argument.

It goes both ways buddy. Try again


but that's literally the scientific name...
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clearaflagrantj
05/05/17 9:58:53 AM
#82:


AugustAdoulin posted...
Kazuma_Yagami posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
It's funny how pro-lifers always refer to the fetus as a baby/child because appealing to emotion is their only argument.


It's funny how pro-choices refer to the early stages of a human being as a fetus because appealing to emotion is their only argument.

It goes both ways buddy. Try again


but that's literally the scientific name...

Bad argument, they don't care about science.
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Sativa_Rose
05/05/17 10:02:32 AM
#83:


As long as that also means you support all drug use, then at least you are being logically consistent.

The liberals who are pro-abortion but then think it's suddenly okay for the state to invade your body when it comes to recreational drug use are fucking batshit insane.
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Key
05/05/17 10:11:04 AM
#84:


ManWithGun posted...
HainoRocks posted...
They're doing the kid a favor in most cases.

Yup because all of the 50 million children aborted in America in the last 40 something years all would have been miserable and useless to society.

It's not like we're short on people. Those 50 million aborted kids are insignificant compared to the whole population. If people don't want kids they should be free to abort.

I know if I was a girl and I got pregnant right now I'd damn sure abort it. I ain't got time for no child. Shit it'd ruin my whole life. Call me selfish idgaf
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Vindris_SNH
05/05/17 10:13:27 AM
#85:


Borgnar posted...
Its entirely up to her if she wants to give it life.


He/she was already given life at conception.
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weapon_d00d816
05/05/17 10:16:54 AM
#86:


I am for abortion but that is not the reason. In fact I think that is a terrible reason because it's also the baby's (well, embryo's) body, and two people made the baby so two people need their consent given. If the guy has to pay child support if the baby is carried to term then the guy should have half the say over the abortion (not that the latter problem should ever arise, but just out of principle).
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ThanksUglyGod
05/05/17 10:19:28 AM
#87:


I think it's dangerously misguided to use a baby as some form of "moral lesson on responsibility" for people who honestly just make mistakes.

Shit happens and people get pregnant. Yeah it's unfortunate, but is it really a good idea to punish irresponsible people into being responsible by forcing them to care for another human being?

If you're so anti-abortion, I hope you also advocate for more effective and accessible contraceptives, funding of family planning clinics and orphanages, and are willing to support programs that aid expecting mothers in low income households.

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GOATSLAYER
05/05/17 10:58:45 AM
#88:


Key posted...
ManWithGun posted...
HainoRocks posted...
They're doing the kid a favor in most cases.

Yup because all of the 50 million children aborted in America in the last 40 something years all would have been miserable and useless to society.

It's not like we're short on people. Those 50 million aborted kids are insignificant compared to the whole population. If people don't want kids they should be free to abort.

I know if I was a girl and I got pregnant right now I'd damn sure abort it. I ain't got time for no child. Shit it'd ruin my whole life. Call me selfish idgaf

Adoption exists
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Vindris_SNH
05/05/17 11:01:05 AM
#89:


ThanksUglyGod posted...
If you're so anti-abortion, I hope you also advocate for more effective and accessible contraceptives, funding of family planning clinics and orphanages, and are willing to support programs that aid expecting mothers in low income households.

Otherwise you're just using another persons life as a teaching lesson.


Why is it always the assumption that pro-lifers don't advocate for contraceptives/funding/family planning/support programs/etc.?

Why would anyone make such an asinine assumption? Of course the people who CARE about human life are going to want to... you know... CARE for that human life after he or she has been born.
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AugustAdoulin
05/05/17 11:01:56 AM
#90:


GOATSLAYER posted...
Key posted...
ManWithGun posted...
HainoRocks posted...
They're doing the kid a favor in most cases.

Yup because all of the 50 million children aborted in America in the last 40 something years all would have been miserable and useless to society.

It's not like we're short on people. Those 50 million aborted kids are insignificant compared to the whole population. If people don't want kids they should be free to abort.

I know if I was a girl and I got pregnant right now I'd damn sure abort it. I ain't got time for no child. Shit it'd ruin my whole life. Call me selfish idgaf

Adoption exists


Our orphanages are overfilled and underfunded. Republicans don't want to pay to support all these kids they're forcing into the world.
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GOATSLAYER
05/05/17 11:02:51 AM
#91:


AugustAdoulin posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
Key posted...
ManWithGun posted...
HainoRocks posted...
They're doing the kid a favor in most cases.

Yup because all of the 50 million children aborted in America in the last 40 something years all would have been miserable and useless to society.

It's not like we're short on people. Those 50 million aborted kids are insignificant compared to the whole population. If people don't want kids they should be free to abort.

I know if I was a girl and I got pregnant right now I'd damn sure abort it. I ain't got time for no child. Shit it'd ruin my whole life. Call me selfish idgaf

Adoption exists


Our orphanages are overfilled and underfunded. Republicans don't want to pay to support all these kids they're forcing into the world.

Orphanages don't exist in America
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AugustAdoulin
05/05/17 11:04:18 AM
#92:


GOATSLAYER posted...
AugustAdoulin posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
Key posted...
ManWithGun posted...
HainoRocks posted...
They're doing the kid a favor in most cases.

Yup because all of the 50 million children aborted in America in the last 40 something years all would have been miserable and useless to society.

It's not like we're short on people. Those 50 million aborted kids are insignificant compared to the whole population. If people don't want kids they should be free to abort.

I know if I was a girl and I got pregnant right now I'd damn sure abort it. I ain't got time for no child. Shit it'd ruin my whole life. Call me selfish idgaf

Adoption exists


Our orphanages are overfilled and underfunded. Republicans don't want to pay to support all these kids they're forcing into the world.

Orphanages don't exist in America


You know what I mean.
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GOATSLAYER
05/05/17 11:05:38 AM
#93:


AugustAdoulin posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
AugustAdoulin posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
Key posted...
ManWithGun posted...
HainoRocks posted...
They're doing the kid a favor in most cases.

Yup because all of the 50 million children aborted in America in the last 40 something years all would have been miserable and useless to society.

It's not like we're short on people. Those 50 million aborted kids are insignificant compared to the whole population. If people don't want kids they should be free to abort.

I know if I was a girl and I got pregnant right now I'd damn sure abort it. I ain't got time for no child. Shit it'd ruin my whole life. Call me selfish idgaf

Adoption exists


Our orphanages are overfilled and underfunded. Republicans don't want to pay to support all these kids they're forcing into the world.

Orphanages don't exist in America


You know what I mean.

When you give a kid up for adoption you have the choice to give the kid to a specific family. So you could try to place the kid with a really nice family that you feel will really love and take care of it.
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AugustAdoulin
05/05/17 11:09:07 AM
#94:


GOATSLAYER posted...
When you give a kid up for adoption you have the choice to give the kid to a specific family. So you could try to place the kid with a really nice family that you feel will really love and take care of it.


and do you realize there are more kids than "really nice" families that want them? What do we do with the extra ones?
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05/05/17 11:12:23 AM
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GiftedACIII
05/05/17 11:14:58 AM
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GOATSLAYER posted...
AugustAdoulin posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
AugustAdoulin posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
Key posted...
ManWithGun posted...

Yup because all of the 50 million children aborted in America in the last 40 something years all would have been miserable and useless to society.

It's not like we're short on people. Those 50 million aborted kids are insignificant compared to the whole population. If people don't want kids they should be free to abort.

I know if I was a girl and I got pregnant right now I'd damn sure abort it. I ain't got time for no child. Shit it'd ruin my whole life. Call me selfish idgaf

Adoption exists


Our orphanages are overfilled and underfunded. Republicans don't want to pay to support all these kids they're forcing into the world.

Orphanages don't exist in America


You know what I mean.

When you give a kid up for adoption you have the choice to give the kid to a specific family. So you could try to place the kid with a really nice family that you feel will really love and take care of it.

Do you think people who wanted to abort in the first place would go out of their way to do that?
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GOATSLAYER
05/05/17 11:18:43 AM
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AugustAdoulin posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
When you give a kid up for adoption you have the choice to give the kid to a specific family. So you could try to place the kid with a really nice family that you feel will really love and take care of it.


and do you realize there are more kids than "really nice" families that want them? What do we do with the extra ones?

Idk. I'm not even pro life. You said having a kid would ruin your life so I was just saying that's not necessarily the case
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prettyprincess
05/05/17 11:23:50 AM
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adoption as an alternative does not speak to the unwanted or unmanageable costs of fulfilling a pregnancy for some women
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GOATSLAYER
05/05/17 11:31:55 AM
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prettyprincess posted...
adoption as an alternative does not speak to the unwanted or unmanageable costs of fulfilling a pregnancy for some women

What are the costs?
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sktgamer_13dude
05/05/17 11:36:56 AM
#100:


The right is all for seeing the pregnancy through and then couldn't could less about the kid once it's out of their mothers body. You need welfare to support your kid? LOL BOOTSTRAPS BITCH!

"But what about adoption/foster care?"

Oh wait, Republicans don't want to raise taxes to correctly fund those programs.

But don't worry, they "saved" the kid. Now they're in a family that doesn't want them OR theyre stuck in the shitty foster system. But hey, at least they saved a life in our overpopulated world!

Pro-lifers are a joke and only want to control everyone.
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jborgan
05/05/17 11:42:25 AM
#101:


"There's always adoption" like pregnancy is some simple walk in the park. Guarantee if men could get pregnant, most of them would not want to carry something in them for 9 months.
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