Current Events > O fuck and I thought Spanish grammar was challenging

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Jesus fuck, Japan
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Yeah I getcha

I wish I had physical copies of my resources like Genki but I'm poor, somehow it's not the same when it's on a computer screen
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If you can master English, you can learn some Japanese.

Okay hold the fuck up I do not have the coordination to write U in katakana

Why is that the stroke order

Do they expect children to legit write two spaced parallel lines who's endpoints would connect with a horizontal secant line almost perfectly

How
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Spanish was cake for me. At least it has much more consistent patterns and spelling. English is all over the place.
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I think the hardest languages to learn for English speakers are japanese, chinese (any or most languages), arabic, hungarian and finnish

cause all of their grammar is relatively insane compared to what we're used to
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ProfDE posted...

Spanish was cake for me. At least it has much more consistent patterns and spelling. English is all over the place.

To be fair I've only done Spanish up to 3 in highschool so far and haven't really pursued it outside of class due to a lack of motivation. I probably should, and if I did I'd probably be a lot more well-versed in it right now

But yeah Spanish certainly is easy to construct a sentence in, at least.
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I need to practice So / N and Shi / Tsu
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Japanese grammar is fairly simply. It's the memorization part that is fucked up

The grammar is very straight forward once you've got a handle on the basics.

It's writing and reading that's a bitch.

Side note: Katakana SHI and TSU both follow the same basic line of their hiragana counterparts in terms of how they're written. N's second stroke starts from the bottom, just like the second "part" of the hiragana starts at the bottom. SO looks like the top part of the traditional hiragana character.
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Really though I wanna pick a fight with whoever decided these two sets of katakana would look almost the exact same except just be written oppositely
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Gudetama, kina!

Goathunter-san mae geri kinteki lovefist osu!
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Nani
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hardest European languages:

Hungarian, Finnish (non IndoEuropean afaik)
then Polish
then the rest.
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Someone recommended to watch Nama sesnsei but I'm laughing too hard to concentrate on the lesson
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TheBestPostr posted...

If you can master English, you can learn some Japanese.

Most people don't master English grammar, though. At least not in the US.

AmonAmarth posted...

hardest European languages:

Hungarian, Finnish (non IndoEuropean afaik)
then Polish
then the rest.

yea, technically estonian too, which I think is similar to finnish. finnish, hungarian and estonian are finno-ugric rather than indo-european. they're automatically harder just cause they have no relation to the way the other european languages (besides basque, which is a language isolate unrelated to any other language in existence) are spoken

I have no idea why polish would be so much more complicated than the other slavic languages tho. I heard it is but I don't know why
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Hexenherz posted...

TheBestPostr posted...

If you can master English, you can learn some Japanese.

Most people don't master English grammar, though. At least not in the US.

I doubt most people master their native language's grammar in general anywhere in the world tbh
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They got those non-stop consonants for days man...

ThyCorndog posted...

Hexenherz posted...

TheBestPostr posted...

If you can master English, you can learn some Japanese.

Most people don't master English grammar, though. At least not in the US.

I doubt most people master their native language's grammar in general anywhere in the world tbh

This is potentially true, but I just know from personal experience that in the US they don't teach grammar at all in English class. I have to hope that in other developed nations they do actually teach basic stuff like verb conjugation and aspect.

Grammar isn't even Japanese's biggest challenge; it's memorizing all those Kanji in order to become fully literate in the language.
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I just accidentally learned my first kanji I guess
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I know about... 200 kanji by meaning, though far less through pronounciation. How much do you know?
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I know about 750 well. More if you count the ones I can kind of piece together.
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I also find it interesting that you mention So/N (kata) but not mention Sa/Chi (Hira)
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Nightmare_Luna posted...

Sa/Chi (Hira)

Huh

Sa is just Ki with one less midstroke, p easy

Chi is like a five

I guess I remember it being a little difficult when I first started the Hiragana but after a day or two I had it down
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Nightmare_Luna posted...

I know about... 200 kanji by meaning, though far less through pronounciation. How much do you know?

I haven't gotten to Kanji yet, but I can already point out a few of them. I even know how to write some myself.

My focus right now is purely grammar, and I have plenty of reference books for that.
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I understand Wa and Ka now

Genki has a lot of nice shit in it but stuff like youtube videos are really helpful to dumb down the lesson for me first
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Particles and conjugation should be your next focus after basic sentence structure.
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First lesson: Here are the 46 Hira/Kata, these are the sounds they always make

Next lesson: Now u gonna write Ha but u gonna say Wa
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I haven't read or studied Arabic in years and I still know remember some of the grammar, granted there's a cheat tool to remember any language but most people wouldn't think of using it these days
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