Current Events > Watching Star Wars: The Phantom Menace.

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Really not as bad as people say it is.
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Yes it literally is though. It's a genuinely terrible movie in every way. "Duel of the Fates" isn't good, either. It's three men dancing with each other.
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It fails as a Star Wars movie. Take the Star Wars brand off of it and you have a quirky kids movie.
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prince_leo posted...

Really not as bad as people say it is.

Yes it is.
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It's literally better than The Force Awakens and Return of the Jedi.
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The Eternal Flame posted...

Yes it literally is though. It's a genuinely terrible movie in every way. "Duel of the Fates" isn't good, either. It's three men dancing with each other.

Shut the fuck up
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ASithLord7 posted...

Shut the fuck up

Totally unsurprising that you enjoyed The Phantom Menace. LOL
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On Tatooine right now, wonder how quickly the Jedi figured out who Padme is
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ledbowman posted...

It's literally better than The Force Awakens and Return of the Jedi.

Now this is shit posting!
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now i'm watching Attack of the Clones
Anakin is so cringey, it's great
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The fecal trilogy is bas
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prince_leo posted...

now i'm watching Attack of the Clones
Anakin is so cringey, it's great

attack of the clones was worse imo

at least episode 1 had the kickarse darth maul fight and a killer soundtrack
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I'm assuming this topic was made before you the pod racer scene that almost lasts an hour

The Great Muta 22 posted...

I'm assuming this topic was made before you the pod racer scene that almost lasts an hour

That was actually the objectively good part of TPM, despite the fact it hardly directly related to the main plot.
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ReD_ToMaTo posted...

prince_leo posted...

Really not as bad as people say it is.

Yes it is.

No it's not. It's actually worse.

All three movies are bad (No idea how RotS got 80 % LMAO) but have good moments.

TPM is boring but it does have Podracing and Duel of the Fates. Hell I would be happy if one of the Disney spinoffs is a Fast and Furious style podrace fuckfest.

AotC is really boring but the Obi Wan Detective stuff is cool, and Christopher Lee and Jango Fett are awesome.

RotS has Grievous and uh...yeah. I actually think RotS is the worst. Just a lot of noise.
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TPM is 80% boredom and AotC is 80% cringe. For me, neither is worth ever watching again
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Had to pause it --


I forgot how orgasmic the sound the seismic charges make in the asteroid belt
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jar jar is the key to all this
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prince_leo posted...

Had to pause it --


I forgot how orgasmic the sound the seismic charges make in the asteroid belt

I love that part. Still remember how it made me HNNNG when I first felt that in the cinema.
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I've watched The Phantom Menace like...two times in my life I think. Once when it came out when I was like 9 years old and once when I was like 18 and dating a chick who wanted to watch it.

I've only ever seen Attack of the Clones once and it was honestly one of the worst movies I have ever seen.

I'd rate Attack of the Clones worse though. The whole romance plot was so fucking bad man.
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The best thing to come out of that movie was the Duel of the Fates music. Darth Maul revealing the duel lightsaber was a goosebumps moment also.

The rest is very forgettable.
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Now I'm watching Revenge of the Sith

I love the opening, the whole reveal after the ships fly down
I do wish they had more Anakin / Obi-Wan joking around and such
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near the end of A New Hope, crazy how Leia just lost her planet and is still comforting Luke about Kenobi
why are Skywalker's so whiny
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prince_leo posted...

near the end of A New Hope, crazy how Leia just lost her planet and is still comforting Luke about Kenobi
why are Skywalker's so whiny

Kinda like how Luke merely looked away a bit at seeing his foster parents's scorched corpses, was broken up about the death of an old guy he knew for a week at most, and got over his best childhood friend's death in a few seconds.
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the phantom menace is awful irrespective of the fact that you dont like plinkett

SoIidLegacy posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

I'm assuming this topic was made before you the pod racer scene that almost lasts an hour

That was actually the objectively good part of TPM, despite the fact it hardly directly related to the main plot.

TPM in general is barely related to the overall plot of the series at all, so it's not a huge deal
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prince_leo posted...

Now I'm watching Revenge of the Sith

I love the opening, the whole reveal after the ships fly down
I do wish they had more Anakin / Obi-Wan joking around and such

the opening part of RotS was the worst part of the entire prequel trilogy. They had state of the art cgi (at the time) and the setup for a cool as fuck space battle but instead we get R2D2 and the super battle droids' slapstick routine. Honestly that movie's lack of battle action was supremely disappointing
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Been wanting to re watch since seeing all those Darth jar jar things online
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The Phantom Menace is fine. Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith are where Lucas fucked up. I don't get the hate Jake Lloyd got either. I never saw his performance as bad.

The worst thing about parts 2 and 3 in my opinion are:

The fighting choreography, especially at the ending scene of 2 where all the Jedi show up and start fighting. That scene had potential to be insane. Instead it just looked like a bunch of cosplayers play fighting. There was no imagination to the fighting...

All the light saber twirling was stupid and looked lame. Same with all the flipping. The light saber duels themselves all looked like dances instead of people fighting for their lives.

The Padme + Anakin love scenes were horrible. They all were, and the worst thing about it is that these scenes are a large part of the prequel trilogy. Let's not forget about the infamous 'nooooooooo' at the end of 3.

Parts 2 and 3 really stunk. Force Awakens had some shitty SJW bullshit in it, but it was alright. It was certainly more enjoyable than parts 2 and 3. Rogue One was total shit. I don't like how Disney is giving a porn actress a lead in a kids movie, the Han Solo film. It will probably be pretty shitty too. Mark Hammil seems to hate The Last Jedi, but he's an sjw so I dunno. Maybe I'll like it, but maybe it will be worse than I expect it to be.
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stoltenberg11 posted...

prince_leo posted...

Now I'm watching Revenge of the Sith

I love the opening, the whole reveal after the ships fly down
I do wish they had more Anakin / Obi-Wan joking around and such

the opening part of RotS was the worst part of the entire prequel trilogy. They had state of the art cgi (at the time) and the setup for a cool as fuck space battle but instead we get R2D2 and the super battle droids' slapstick routine. Honestly that movie's lack of battle action was supremely disappointing

Wrong. The opening shot of ROTS is a god damn marvel and one of the most impressive moments in all of Star Wars.
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The opening shot is cool but I'm saying they could have given us more of that instead of that stupid droid shit
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TPM is an awful movie and it's still the best of the prequels.

imo

3>5>6>1>4>>>7>>>>>>>>>>>2
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prince_leo posted...

near the end of A New Hope, crazy how Leia just lost her planet and is still comforting Luke about Kenobi
why are Skywalker's so whiny

This is why I was a little bit excited about Rogue One because I thought we'd get a more thorough experience with Alderaan rather than... just seeing it in a viewfinder basically. I thought it had potential to make A New Hope better in that way.

Spoiilers, Alderaan doesn't even make an appearance in probably the stupidest creative decision of that movie.

alexg1989 posted...

The Phantom Menace is fine. Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith are where Lucas f***ed up. I don't get the hate Jake Lloyd got either. I never saw his performance as bad.

It is really difficult to even criticize the actors in general since the material as written is so god awful and they likely were not allowed to give any creative input to make it sound like a human would actually say it.

But yeah, Jake Lloyd is no Hayley Joel Osmond all the same. Yippee!

And the worst part of The Phantom Menace is that it is completely unnecessary from a story perspective. Really the movies should have just started with the Clone Wars because in a story centered on Anakin, we don't really learn anything about Anakin in The Phantom Menace that couldn't have been explained briefly in Attack of the Clones. It is is also more awkward to see the romance between Anakin and Padme when Padme first knew him as a kid.

Parappa09 posted...

prince_leo posted...

now i'm watching Attack of the Clones
Anakin is so cringey, it's great

attack of the clones was worse imo

at least episode 1 had the kickarse darth maul fight and a killer soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nk_WHHTQtY
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it's a glorified kid's movie
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wah_wah_wah posted...

alexg1989 posted...

The Phantom Menace is fine. Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith are where Lucas f***ed up. I don't get the hate Jake Lloyd got either. I never saw his performance as bad.

And the worst part of The Phantom Menace is that it is completely unnecessary from a story perspective. Really the movies should have just started with the Clone Wars because in a story centered on Anakin, we don't really learn anything about Anakin in The Phantom Menace that couldn't have been explained briefly in Attack of the Clones. It is is also more awkward to see the romance between Anakin and Padme when Padme first knew him as a kid.

You're right about this, the problem is it's clear in Epi 1 the initial plan was not to make the focus simply about Anakin but Obi Wan's journey as well. It's very much about Obi Wan taking on the challenge of training (and ultimately failing) Anakin into being a Jedi. Even Epi II splits it 50/50 between Ani and Obi Wan with really the plot of Obi Wan uncovering the clone army being "A" storyline imo, versus the Ani/Padme love storyline.

Even Epi III was rewritten at the last minute to make it fully focus on Anakin's downfall. I wonder how much of this, like many of Lucas' other creative choices, was him digging in and defying critics who criticized his horrible creative choices and writing for Anakin up until that point. Going all in on the Anakin storyline for Epi III as a fuck you to the fans and critics who hated what George did with TPM and AotC.

So you're right at this point TPM is basically unnecessary story wise to the saga at this point. But I have to wonder how much of that was Lucas having no initial plan and changing what plan he did have as a he went along to fuel his ego.

alexg1989 posted...

I don't like how Disney is giving a porn actress a lead in a kids movie

whoa whoa what

TheDarkCircle posted...

You're right about this, the problem is it's clear in Epi 1 the initial plan was not to make the focus simply about Anakin but Obi Wan's journey as well. It's very much about Obi Wan taking on the challenge of training (and ultimately failing) Anakin into being a Jedi. Even Epi II splits it 50/50 between Ani and Obi Wan with really the plot of Obi Wan uncovering the clone army being "A" storyline imo, versus the Ani/Padme love storyline.

It would make sense to show how Obi Wan's training failed or whatever, which leads to Anakin's training failing. Good cause and effect. But really we don't learn anything about Obi Wan either.

TheDarkCircle posted...

So you're right at this point TPM is basically unnecessary story wise to the saga at this point. But I have to wonder how much of that was Lucas having no initial plan and changing what plan he did have as a he went along to fuel his ego.

I'm not one that thinks that George Lucas is entirely an egoist and that's why the movies became bad. Because if he had more of an ego, there would have been an actual motivation not to make them bad. He made them a good business, not good art. There was far too much focus on aftermarket and not as much on turning in a piece of art. Movies like Star Wars are always going to be business, but once you get to the point where 50-80% of the movie is produced before you've even finalized the script, there's just no way to adjust creatively. You've created your sets and characters and the action figures before you've created a story.

<_<
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ill try spinning, thats a good trick!
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wah_wah_wah posted...

It would make sense to show how Obi Wan's training failed or whatever, which leads to Anakin's training failing. Good cause and effect. But really we don't learn anything about Obi Wan either.

This is one of the things that I actually liked about the Clone Wars.

Like it or not, Obi Wan himself having a "lover" he still had feelings for through the Clone Wars made, and his turning something of a blind eye to Anakin and Padme, made a lot of sense imo.

There are other things that Obi Wan does in the show related to the war which also affect/both Anakin, making some of the things he says in RotS make a lot more sense.

The movie needed more scenes like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLnIwpGFclA
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I like it when people say things are bad but don't say why because they act like it's some near-truth that everyone follows.
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Jabodie posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

It would make sense to show how Obi Wan's training failed or whatever, which leads to Anakin's training failing. Good cause and effect. But really we don't learn anything about Obi Wan either.

This is one of the things that I actually liked about the Clone Wars.

Like it or not, Obi Wan himself having a "lover" he still had feelings for through the Clone Wars made, and his turning something of a blind eye to Anakin and Padme, made a lot of sense imo.

There are other things that Obi Wan does in the show related to the war which also affect/both Anakin, making some of the things he says in RotS make a lot more sense.

The movie needed more scenes like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLnIwpGFclA

Yeah I never saw the Clone Wars show (not into the style of it) but I agree that having Obi Wan with a crush is a great idea not only for how it makes him turn a blind eye to Anakin, but also because it makes him have more of a personality. That would even be maybe a good idea for a side Star Wars movie. Maybe after it all goes bad after the events of Sith, have a movie centered on Obi Wan and his time in the lurches where he goes and tries to find his old crush.

Star Wars Episode II is the worst thing made by a human. Except maybe the bagpipes.
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wah_wah_wah posted...

That would even be maybe a good idea for a side Star Wars movie. Maybe after it all goes bad after the events of Sith, have a movie centered on Obi Wan and his time in the lurches where he goes and tries to find his old crush.

Well, she's murdered by Darth Maul in the show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lGETyUkjdo

So while the romance shows his failing as a master, it also shows his strength as a Jedi. He stayed the course, and continued on the Jedi way.

Edit: Come to think of it, Obi Wan has been through a lot of shit on the series.
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