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ZombiePelican
04/24/17 5:23:37 PM
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This is something I can never understand. They aren't real musicians if they don't write their own music, they're just corporate puppets
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Monkhood
04/24/17 5:25:36 PM
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Makes no difference to me who writes it. If I enjoy it, I enjoy it.
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Vicious_Dios
04/24/17 5:25:58 PM
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Monkhood posted...
Makes no difference to me who writes it. If I enjoy it, I enjoy it.

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wah_wah_wah
04/24/17 5:26:43 PM
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Sometimes a songwriter can't sing but a singer can. This is like saying why would you watch a movie where the director doesn't play every single part in the film?
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TheGoldenEel
04/24/17 5:28:56 PM
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Yeah Elton John fucking sucks
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ShinigamiSoul
04/24/17 5:30:18 PM
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I can kind of understand what TC means.

The songs they're singing aren't really from their own heart, you know?
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Vertania
04/24/17 5:30:32 PM
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wah_wah_wah posted...
Sometimes a songwriter can't sing but a singer can. This is like saying why would you watch a movie where the director doesn't play every single part in the film?

Then they should learn an instrument and join a band. And least then they're still performing their song.
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Antifar
04/24/17 5:30:45 PM
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I'm not a sixteen-year-old trying to justify my love of dadrock and my sneering superiority complex over the tastes of my peers.
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TheVipaGTS
04/24/17 5:31:04 PM
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Vertania posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
Sometimes a songwriter can't sing but a singer can. This is like saying why would you watch a movie where the director doesn't play every single part in the film?

Then they should learn an instrument and join a band. And least then they're still performing their song.

Shut up. Your voice is an instrument.
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MilitantHobo
04/24/17 5:31:07 PM
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Monkhood posted...
Makes no difference to me who writes it. If I enjoy it, I enjoy it.

Vicious_Dios posted...
Monkhood posted...
Makes no difference to me who writes it. If I enjoy it, I enjoy it.

So you enjoy corporate brainwashing?

wah_wah_wah posted...
Sometimes a songwriter can't sing but a singer can. This is like saying why would you watch a movie where the director doesn't play every single part in the film?


Because making a movie and writing a song take the same amount of effort
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wah_wah_wah
04/24/17 5:31:17 PM
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Vertania posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
Sometimes a songwriter can't sing but a singer can. This is like saying why would you watch a movie where the director doesn't play every single part in the film?

Then they should learn an instrument and join a band. And least then they're still performing their song.

Maybe they don't want to do that and they see their song as better sung by someone else?
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wah_wah_wah
04/24/17 5:32:11 PM
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MilitantHobo posted...
Because making a movie and writing a song take the same amount of effort

The effort it takes makes no difference to the core of why I made the analogy.
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Vertania
04/24/17 5:33:52 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
Shut up. Your voice is an instrument.

Then they should learn to use it.

wah_wah_wah posted...
Maybe they don't want to do that and they see their song as better sung by someone else?

They could always just stick to poetry.
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wah_wah_wah
04/24/17 5:34:40 PM
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Vertania posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Shut up. Your voice is an instrument.

Then they should learn to use it.

wah_wah_wah posted...
Maybe they don't want to do that and they see their song as better sung by someone else?

They could always just stick to poetry.

Why are you trying to determine what someone wants to do with their music? Isn't that shittier than them simply working with other people to produce their art?
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garan
04/24/17 5:40:44 PM
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I agree.
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TheGoldenEel
04/24/17 5:41:03 PM
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Also TC what is your opinion on members of bands that don't write the music? Drummers and bass players generally are essentially just hired guns there to perform what was written for them
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TheVipaGTS
04/24/17 5:41:19 PM
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So using some of the logic in this topic...

Scenario A: a 4 person band. The only person who writes the music is the drummer. No one else contributes. But he can't sing. So the lead singer just sings what the drummer writes...totes ok

Scenario B: that same drummer. Doesn't want to be in a band but can still write. He writes songs and asks his friend, the lead singer from the first scenario, to sing the songs as a solo artist...suddenly not ok?
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MilitantHobo
04/24/17 5:41:33 PM
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wah_wah_wah posted...
Vertania posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Shut up. Your voice is an instrument.

Then they should learn to use it.

wah_wah_wah posted...
Maybe they don't want to do that and they see their song as better sung by someone else?

They could always just stick to poetry.

Why are you trying to determine what someone wants to do with their music? Isn't that shittier than them simply working with other people to produce their art?

Words on a piece of paper don't automatically make it a song. Some effort has to actually go into it
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ChromaticAngel
04/24/17 5:42:05 PM
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wah_wah_wah posted...
Vertania posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
Sometimes a songwriter can't sing but a singer can. This is like saying why would you watch a movie where the director doesn't play every single part in the film?

Then they should learn an instrument and join a band. And least then they're still performing their song.

Maybe they don't want to do that and they see their song as better sung by someone else?


from an artist perspective, exclusively performing music you didn't write imparts a hollow experience. Artists who write lyrics will write about things they feel passionately about. When a singer doesn't really care about the subject material in the song, it shows.

But I do want to go on and say that the number of people who actually sing songs that they didn't write or at least contribute to is exceedingly small, discounting cover bands. Lots of people give Beyonce shit for not writing her own songs, but she always writes at least a part even if she doesn't write the whole thing.

I'd be interested if anyone can show me a popular band or musician who isn't credited as a composer on any of their albums.
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wah_wah_wah
04/24/17 5:42:37 PM
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MilitantHobo posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
Vertania posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Shut up. Your voice is an instrument.

Then they should learn to use it.

wah_wah_wah posted...
Maybe they don't want to do that and they see their song as better sung by someone else?

They could always just stick to poetry.

Why are you trying to determine what someone wants to do with their music? Isn't that shittier than them simply working with other people to produce their art?

Words on a piece of paper don't automatically make it a song. Some effort has to actually go into it

More effort went into it than this response you wrote to me.
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Annihilated
04/24/17 5:42:56 PM
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wah_wah_wah posted...
Vertania posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
Sometimes a songwriter can't sing but a singer can. This is like saying why would you watch a movie where the director doesn't play every single part in the film?

Then they should learn an instrument and join a band. And least then they're still performing their song.

Maybe they don't want to do that and they see their song as better sung by someone else?


If that's the case then the songwriter should get the albums, not the singer.
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MilitantHobo
04/24/17 5:44:18 PM
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wah_wah_wah posted...
MilitantHobo posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
Vertania posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Shut up. Your voice is an instrument.

Then they should learn to use it.

wah_wah_wah posted...
Maybe they don't want to do that and they see their song as better sung by someone else?

They could always just stick to poetry.

Why are you trying to determine what someone wants to do with their music? Isn't that shittier than them simply working with other people to produce their art?

Words on a piece of paper don't automatically make it a song. Some effort has to actually go into it

More effort went into it than this response you wrote to me.

Doubt that.
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Link HT
04/24/17 5:44:18 PM
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but a rapper with a ghost writer? Wtf happened...
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Nowhereman24
04/24/17 5:45:08 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
Yeah Elton John fucking sucks

Elton John still wrote his music, just not the lyrics.
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Jiek_Fafn
04/24/17 5:48:39 PM
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Fuck TCs tight ass reasoning.

Munch's Make Believe Band is the best group of entertainers ever. Idc that they're literally corporate puppets.
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wah_wah_wah
04/24/17 5:49:36 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
Vertania posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
Sometimes a songwriter can't sing but a singer can. This is like saying why would you watch a movie where the director doesn't play every single part in the film?

Then they should learn an instrument and join a band. And least then they're still performing their song.

Maybe they don't want to do that and they see their song as better sung by someone else?


from an artist perspective, exclusively performing music you didn't write imparts a hollow experience. Artists who write lyrics will write about things they feel passionately about. When a singer doesn't really care about the subject material in the song, it shows.

But I do want to go on and say that the number of people who actually sing songs that they didn't write or at least contribute to is exceedingly small, discounting cover bands. Lots of people give Beyonce shit for not writing her own songs, but she always writes at least a part even if she doesn't write the whole thing.

I'd be interested if anyone can show me a popular band or musician who isn't credited as a composer on any of their albums.

Just because a songwriter wrote about something they were passionate about doesn't mean others can not convey that passion, maybe even better than the original songwriter ever dreamed.

I'm fine with the idea that songwriters shouldn't have their songs used against their will or whatever, but it strikes me as shockingly narrow-minded to say that every song is best sung by those who originally wrote them.
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TheGoldenEel
04/24/17 5:52:21 PM
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wah_wah_wah posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
Vertania posted...
wah_wah_wah posted...
Sometimes a songwriter can't sing but a singer can. This is like saying why would you watch a movie where the director doesn't play every single part in the film?

Then they should learn an instrument and join a band. And least then they're still performing their song.

Maybe they don't want to do that and they see their song as better sung by someone else?


from an artist perspective, exclusively performing music you didn't write imparts a hollow experience. Artists who write lyrics will write about things they feel passionately about. When a singer doesn't really care about the subject material in the song, it shows.

But I do want to go on and say that the number of people who actually sing songs that they didn't write or at least contribute to is exceedingly small, discounting cover bands. Lots of people give Beyonce shit for not writing her own songs, but she always writes at least a part even if she doesn't write the whole thing.

I'd be interested if anyone can show me a popular band or musician who isn't credited as a composer on any of their albums.

Just because a songwriter wrote about something they were passionate about doesn't mean others can not convey that passion, maybe even better than the original songwriter ever dreamed.

I'm fine with the idea that songwriters shouldn't have their songs used against their will or whatever, but it strikes me as shockingly narrow-minded to say that every song is best sung by those who originally wrote them.


Ironically TC listens to metal, a genre where bands generally cycle through members on a yearly basis
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AsucaHayashi
04/24/17 5:57:19 PM
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and suddenly any musical cover of anything isn't worthy of being listened to.
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MilitantHobo
04/24/17 6:02:35 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
Ironically TC listens to metal, a genre where bands generally cycle through members on a yearly basis

And? Revolving door bands aren't exclusive to Metal you know. How many members have The Gorillaz had?

Also they still write all their own music, new members or not
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Gamer99z
04/24/17 6:06:02 PM
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Why would you ever watch a movie that the director didn't write?

This is something I can never understand. They aren't real filmmakers if they don't write their own movies, they're just corporate puppets.
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TheGoldenEel
04/24/17 6:10:37 PM
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MilitantHobo posted...
TheGoldenEel posted...
Ironically TC listens to metal, a genre where bands generally cycle through members on a yearly basis

And? Revolving door bands aren't exclusive to Metal you know. How many members have The Gorillaz had?

Also they still write all their own music, new members or not

Gorillaz have always had two members. Damon Albarn and Jamie Hewlett

The point is bands without original members are still playing the "old stuff" which they didn't write. And again, most members of a band usually aren't involved in the songwriting anyway
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MilitantHobo
04/24/17 6:18:34 PM
#32:


Gamer99z posted...
Why would you ever watch a movie that the director didn't write?

This is something I can never understand. They aren't real filmmakers if they don't write their own movies, they're just corporate puppets.

You're comparing apples to oranges. It takes a whole team of people to make a movie, it only takes one person to write a song
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wah_wah_wah
04/24/17 6:35:01 PM
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MilitantHobo posted...
Gamer99z posted...
Why would you ever watch a movie that the director didn't write?

This is something I can never understand. They aren't real filmmakers if they don't write their own movies, they're just corporate puppets.

You're comparing apples to oranges. It takes a whole team of people to make a movie, it only takes one person to write a song

Hint sometimes making a song is just as collaborative a process
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Gamer99z
04/24/17 7:06:31 PM
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MilitantHobo posted...
Gamer99z posted...
Why would you ever watch a movie that the director didn't write?

This is something I can never understand. They aren't real filmmakers if they don't write their own movies, they're just corporate puppets.

You're comparing apples to oranges. It takes a whole team of people to make a movie, it only takes one person to write a song

So featured vocalists/instrumentalists, producers, studio engineers, producers, whatever you call the person in charge of the master, the various assistants got those roles, etc. Don't exist? And are bands/artists that use those people not real bands/artists???

What a stupid topic this is.
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Vicious_Dios
04/24/17 8:50:21 PM
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MilitantHobo posted...

So you enjoy corporate brainwashing?


You're reaching.
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