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kel854
04/23/17 10:48:35 PM
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Their valkyries haven't won any wars iirc.
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toptopmax
04/23/17 10:49:08 PM
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Ammonitida
04/23/17 10:50:42 PM
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Because LOTR is the greatest work of fantasy literature ever written by a human being.
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weapon_d00d816
04/23/17 10:51:58 PM
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Because it's one of two major European polytheistic mythologies and it's the more violent and masculine of the two.

Don't tell me Roman and Greek are different mythologies.
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SSJGrimReaper
04/23/17 10:52:36 PM
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whats with the JRPG developer obsession with nordic mythology
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ThyCorndog
04/23/17 10:53:58 PM
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Where are you seeing it that it's so popular?

It definitely used to be throughout Europe. For some reason they romanticized the Vikings and Norse mythology a lot these last few centuries
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Ivynn
04/23/17 10:54:15 PM
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What's with the heavy metal obsession with Nordic mythology
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Letron_James
04/23/17 10:54:44 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
Because it's one of two major European polytheistic mythologies and it's the more violent and masculine of the two.

Don't tell me Roman and Greek are different mythologies.


They are pretty different
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ThyCorndog
04/23/17 10:55:39 PM
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Ivynn posted...
What's with the heavy metal obsession with Nordic mythology

That ones easy. There's a ton of Scandinavian metal out there
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MakoReizei
04/23/17 10:56:49 PM
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because it's cool as shit
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OpenlyGator
04/23/17 10:57:46 PM
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Asian online RPGs use it A LOT.
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Dash_Harber
04/23/17 11:00:10 PM
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I'm a huge fan of the mythology. I wear a Mjolnir pendant and am thinking of building a small shrine. There are multiple reasons people like it, but it's probably largely because it was the basis for the modern Fantasy genre. As well, the gods weren't completely selfish jerks (like the Roman/Greeks) but were also not flawless, omnipotent and distant (like Judeo-Christian religion or Egyptian/Sumerian/etc myth). They were approachable, down to earth, and flawed. The stories about them are also some of the most well cataloged too.
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weapon_d00d816
04/23/17 11:01:23 PM
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Ivynn posted...
What's with the heavy metal obsession with Nordic mythology

The trend was started by some Norwegian black metal bands I think. Black metal is anti-Christian and Scandinavian bands often take a pagan, ethno-nationalist stance that glorifies pre-Christian society. They're sometimes even involved in church burnings.

But anyway, it stems from that, although a lot of viking metal bands have no relation to black metal.
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Dathrowed1
04/23/17 11:01:55 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Egyptian/Sumerian/etc myth

Those gods were very flawed. Actually a lot of Greco-Germanic gods were straight up ripoffs of those myths.
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Kelystic
04/23/17 11:02:18 PM
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i thought greek is much more popular
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ThyCorndog
04/23/17 11:04:08 PM
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Kelystic posted...
i thought greek is much more popular

Egyptian, Greek and Norse are definitely overall the most popular, at least in the west. No idea how I'd rank em but it doesn't really matter. Nothing else comes close to those 3
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lilORANG
04/23/17 11:04:48 PM
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Probably because it's one of the few mythologies to prominently feature white people.
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Dash_Harber
04/23/17 11:04:57 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
Ivynn posted...
What's with the heavy metal obsession with Nordic mythology

The trend was started by some Norwegian black metal bands I think. Black metal is anti-Christian and Scandinavian bands often take a pagan, ethno-nationalist stance that glorifies pre-Christian society. They're sometimes even involved in church burnings.

But anyway, it stems from that, although a lot of viking metal bands have no relation to black metal.


I don't think that is quite true. I agree that Black Metal helped popularize it, but Vikings have been a popular topic in heavy metal since way before that. Led Zeppelin even have songs about them.
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MakoReizei
04/23/17 11:06:34 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
Why are racists and Neo-Nazis obsessed with Norse mythology? Like between that and Greek/Roman, why did they choose Norse? Were Greeks and Romans too "brown"? lol

pretty sure Neo-Nazis want to emulate the Spartans. with their hyper masculine and homosexual overtones.
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ThyCorndog
04/23/17 11:07:19 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
Why are racists and Neo-Nazis obsessed with Norse mythology? Like between that and Greek/Roman, why did they choose Norse? Were Greeks and Romans too "brown"? lol

Well, neo nazi beliefs are rooted in 19th-20th century nordicism and the racialist theories involved with it
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Dash_Harber
04/23/17 11:08:28 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
Why are racists and Neo-Nazis obsessed with Norse mythology? Like between that and Greek/Roman, why did they choose Norse? Were Greeks and Romans too "brown"? lol


Because the Nazis fancied themselves, descendants of the Germanic tribes that conquered Europe. I find it hilarious, though, because the mythology is decidedly anti-racist; the pantheon of gods is made up of two different tribes that came together (Aesir and Vanir) and sometimes mixed with their 'mortal enemy', the Jotuns. Not only that, but the "Vikings" who spread all over Europe liberally mixed with the native people of where they settled, most often adopting their beliefs, marrying into their families, etc. There was no concept of purity. That sort of 'purity' tends to be harmful to trade (which the Vikings also did a ton of).
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ThyCorndog
04/23/17 11:09:58 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
Why are racists and Neo-Nazis obsessed with Norse mythology? Like between that and Greek/Roman, why did they choose Norse? Were Greeks and Romans too "brown"? lol


Because the Nazis fancied themselves, descendants of the Germanic tribes that conquered Europe. I find it hilarious, though, because the mythology is decidedly anti-racist; the pantheon of gods is made up of two different tribes that came together (Aesir and Vanir) and sometimes mixed with their 'mortal enemy', the Jotuns. Not only that, but the "Vikings" who spread all over Europe liberally mixed with the native people of where they settled, most often adopting their beliefs, marrying into their families, etc. There was no concept of purity. That sort of 'purity' tends to be harmful to trade (which the Vikings also did a ton of).

Yeah the Vikings weren't exactly endogamous so I never got that either
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weapon_d00d816
04/23/17 11:10:33 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Ivynn posted...
What's with the heavy metal obsession with Nordic mythology

The trend was started by some Norwegian black metal bands I think. Black metal is anti-Christian and Scandinavian bands often take a pagan, ethno-nationalist stance that glorifies pre-Christian society. They're sometimes even involved in church burnings.

But anyway, it stems from that, although a lot of viking metal bands have no relation to black metal.


I don't think that is quite true. I agree that Black Metal helped popularize it, but Vikings have been a popular topic in heavy metal since way before that. Led Zeppelin even have songs about them.

Pre-black metal it wasn't really tied to metal as closely. It was a common topic because Vikings in general were a common idol of masculinity and conquest.
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ChromaticAngel
04/23/17 11:11:49 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...

2. It's different from Roman and Greek Mythology. The Norse gods seem to be more human-like and don't do a lot of harming of humans.


Odin literally goes around causing wars and massive death to recruit talented fighters by having the Valkyries kill them and take them to Valhalla.

Loki changes into a mare and gets knocked up by a horse.

Tyr has 9 mothers.

I'm not sure how this qualifies as more human / less harmful.
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Ivynn
04/23/17 11:12:05 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
Kelystic posted...
i thought greek is much more popular

Egyptian, Greek and Norse are definitely overall the most popular, at least in the west. No idea how I'd rank em but it doesn't really matter. Nothing else comes close to those 3


I'd rank them as Norse > Greek >>>> Egyptian. Egyptian mythology isn't all that popular, it just happens to be the only other mythology Westerners know about other than Greek and Norse. Can't think of much Western media that uses it extensively compared to Norse and Greek. The Mummy movies are probably the most famous to use it.
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Dash_Harber
04/23/17 11:12:13 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Ivynn posted...
What's with the heavy metal obsession with Nordic mythology

The trend was started by some Norwegian black metal bands I think. Black metal is anti-Christian and Scandinavian bands often take a pagan, ethno-nationalist stance that glorifies pre-Christian society. They're sometimes even involved in church burnings.

But anyway, it stems from that, although a lot of viking metal bands have no relation to black metal.


I don't think that is quite true. I agree that Black Metal helped popularize it, but Vikings have been a popular topic in heavy metal since way before that. Led Zeppelin even have songs about them.

Pre-black metal it wasn't really tied to metal as closely. It was a common topic because Vikings in general were a common idol of masculinity and conquest.

That's true, but you can't deny that groups like Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath touched on the subject often and influenced many of the metal bands today, even if Black Metal is an entirely different beast.
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GoatHunter
04/23/17 11:12:52 PM
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toptopmax posted...
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weapon_d00d816
04/23/17 11:13:34 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Ivynn posted...
What's with the heavy metal obsession with Nordic mythology

The trend was started by some Norwegian black metal bands I think. Black metal is anti-Christian and Scandinavian bands often take a pagan, ethno-nationalist stance that glorifies pre-Christian society. They're sometimes even involved in church burnings.

But anyway, it stems from that, although a lot of viking metal bands have no relation to black metal.


I don't think that is quite true. I agree that Black Metal helped popularize it, but Vikings have been a popular topic in heavy metal since way before that. Led Zeppelin even have songs about them.

Pre-black metal it wasn't really tied to metal as closely. It was a common topic because Vikings in general were a common idol of masculinity and conquest.

That's true, but you can't deny that groups like Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath touched on the subject often and influenced many of the metal bands today, even if Black Metal is an entirely different beast.

Right, but I don't think anybody remembers those bands for their Viking songs. Black metal made paganism a part of its identity.
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ThyCorndog
04/23/17 11:14:27 PM
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Ivynn posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
Kelystic posted...
i thought greek is much more popular

Egyptian, Greek and Norse are definitely overall the most popular, at least in the west. No idea how I'd rank em but it doesn't really matter. Nothing else comes close to those 3


I'd rank them as Norse > Greek >>>> Egyptian. Egyptian mythology isn't all that popular, it just happens to be the only other mythology Westerners know about other than Greek and Norse. Can't think of much Western media that uses it extensively compared to Norse and Greek. The Mummy movies are probably the most famous to use it.

Yeah but it's easily recognized. It's not as popular in media, no, but you could show people anubis and many would know what you're showing them
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ChromaticAngel
04/23/17 11:15:09 PM
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Ivynn posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
Kelystic posted...
i thought greek is much more popular

Egyptian, Greek and Norse are definitely overall the most popular, at least in the west. No idea how I'd rank em but it doesn't really matter. Nothing else comes close to those 3


I'd rank them as Norse > Greek >>>> Egyptian. Egyptian mythology isn't all that popular, it just happens to be the only other mythology Westerners know about other than Greek and Norse. Can't think of much Western media that uses it extensively compared to Norse and Greek. The Mummy movies are probably the most famous to use it.


Westerners are probably more familiar with Chinese mythology than Egyptian.

There is also a fair bit of Shinto and Celtic mythology that still gets used in popular media.
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GoatHunter
04/23/17 11:15:21 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
Why are racists and Neo-Nazis obsessed with Norse mythology? Like between that and Greek/Roman, why did they choose Norse? Were Greeks and Romans too "brown"? lol


Yes
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Dash_Harber
04/23/17 11:15:32 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Asherlee10 posted...

2. It's different from Roman and Greek Mythology. The Norse gods seem to be more human-like and don't do a lot of harming of humans.


Odin literally goes around causing wars and massive death to recruit talented fighters by having the Valkyries kill them and take them to Valhalla.

Loki changes into a mare and gets knocked up by a horse.

Tyr has 9 mothers.

I'm not sure how this qualifies as more human / less harmful.


Yeah, that is true, but it's certainly less out there than Egyptian mythology, and the gods are certainly less dickish than the Greek/Roman gods (for the most part).

It's worth noting that despite Odin's popularity among the nobles of the time (who also started wars and tried to maintain a death grip on power and knowledge), Thor was the god of the common man. Thor is notably much, much more empathetic and frequently was distanced from Odin when he would go questing.
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Dash_Harber
04/23/17 11:16:14 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Ivynn posted...
What's with the heavy metal obsession with Nordic mythology

The trend was started by some Norwegian black metal bands I think. Black metal is anti-Christian and Scandinavian bands often take a pagan, ethno-nationalist stance that glorifies pre-Christian society. They're sometimes even involved in church burnings.

But anyway, it stems from that, although a lot of viking metal bands have no relation to black metal.


I don't think that is quite true. I agree that Black Metal helped popularize it, but Vikings have been a popular topic in heavy metal since way before that. Led Zeppelin even have songs about them.

Pre-black metal it wasn't really tied to metal as closely. It was a common topic because Vikings in general were a common idol of masculinity and conquest.

That's true, but you can't deny that groups like Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath touched on the subject often and influenced many of the metal bands today, even if Black Metal is an entirely different beast.

Right, but I don't think anybody remembers those bands for their Viking songs. Black metal made paganism a part of its identity.

Yeah, I was just saying it started earlier. Black Metal was certainly the popularizer.
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SlashmanSG
04/23/17 11:16:24 PM
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Ivynn
04/23/17 11:17:18 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
Ivynn posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
Kelystic posted...
i thought greek is much more popular

Egyptian, Greek and Norse are definitely overall the most popular, at least in the west. No idea how I'd rank em but it doesn't really matter. Nothing else comes close to those 3


I'd rank them as Norse > Greek >>>> Egyptian. Egyptian mythology isn't all that popular, it just happens to be the only other mythology Westerners know about other than Greek and Norse. Can't think of much Western media that uses it extensively compared to Norse and Greek. The Mummy movies are probably the most famous to use it.

Yeah but it's easily recognized. It's not as popular in media, no, but you could show people anubis and many would know what you're showing them


The average person would call him "that dog-headed Egyptian god" tho while most people could name Odin and Zeus. >_>
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Kineth
04/23/17 11:17:55 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
Why are racists and Neo-Nazis obsessed with Norse mythology? Like between that and Greek/Roman, why did they choose Norse? Were Greeks and Romans too "brown"? lol


Because Scandanavians have blonde hair and blue eyes typically associated with them.

Also Anglo-Saxons who like being cucked by Vikings.
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Ammonitida
04/23/17 11:18:03 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Asherlee10 posted...

2. It's different from Roman and Greek Mythology. The Norse gods seem to be more human-like and don't do a lot of harming of humans.


Odin literally goes around causing wars and massive death to recruit talented fighters by having the Valkyries kill them and take them to Valhalla.

Loki changes into a mare and gets knocked up by a horse.

Tyr has 9 mothers.

I'm not sure how this qualifies as more human / less harmful.


And Sauron (a fallen angel) forged a ring to rule all the lesser rings worn by the Elves who themselves wanted the rings to maintain their higher status over humans.
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ThyCorndog
04/23/17 11:19:48 PM
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Ivynn posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
Ivynn posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
Kelystic posted...
i thought greek is much more popular

Egyptian, Greek and Norse are definitely overall the most popular, at least in the west. No idea how I'd rank em but it doesn't really matter. Nothing else comes close to those 3


I'd rank them as Norse > Greek >>>> Egyptian. Egyptian mythology isn't all that popular, it just happens to be the only other mythology Westerners know about other than Greek and Norse. Can't think of much Western media that uses it extensively compared to Norse and Greek. The Mummy movies are probably the most famous to use it.

Yeah but it's easily recognized. It's not as popular in media, no, but you could show people anubis and many would know what you're showing them


The average person would call him "that dog-headed Egyptian god" tho while most people could name Odin and Zeus. >_>

Yeah, guess so
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Ivynn
04/23/17 11:20:01 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Asherlee10 posted...

2. It's different from Roman and Greek Mythology. The Norse gods seem to be more human-like and don't do a lot of harming of humans.


Odin literally goes around causing wars and massive death to recruit talented fighters by having the Valkyries kill them and take them to Valhalla.

Loki changes into a mare and gets knocked up by a horse.

Tyr has 9 mothers.

I'm not sure how this qualifies as more human / less harmful.


Yeah, that is true, but it's certainly less out there than Egyptian mythology, and the gods are certainly less dickish than the Greek/Roman gods (for the most part).

It's worth noting that despite Odin's popularity among the nobles of the time (who also started wars and tried to maintain a death grip on power and knowledge), Thor was the god of the common man. Thor is notably much, much more empathetic and frequently was distanced from Odin when he would go questing.


Also Norse mythology is one of the few pantheons where gods could (and regularly did) die. Nothing more humanizing than death!
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ChromaticAngel
04/23/17 11:20:01 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Asherlee10 posted...

2. It's different from Roman and Greek Mythology. The Norse gods seem to be more human-like and don't do a lot of harming of humans.


Odin literally goes around causing wars and massive death to recruit talented fighters by having the Valkyries kill them and take them to Valhalla.

Loki changes into a mare and gets knocked up by a horse.

Tyr has 9 mothers.

I'm not sure how this qualifies as more human / less harmful.


Yeah, that is true, but it's certainly less out there than Egyptian mythology, and the gods are certainly less dickish than the Greek/Roman gods (for the most part).

It's worth noting that despite Odin's popularity among the nobles of the time (who also started wars and tried to maintain a death grip on power and knowledge), Thor was the god of the common man. Thor is notably much, much more empathetic and frequently was distanced from Odin when he would go questing.


Yes but it was always like that. Odin's role is very different from how pop media portrays him. While he is a badass warrior, he doesn't really fight much in the Edda. Rather he sacrifices his eye to learn of the prophecy Ragnarok and spends all his time trying to delay it as long as possible knowing that he'll eventually fail anyway.

Ironically, his treatment of Loki and his children in the name of stopping Ragnarok is probably what ended up causing it.
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Ammonitida
04/23/17 11:20:37 PM
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Kineth posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
Why are racists and Neo-Nazis obsessed with Norse mythology? Like between that and Greek/Roman, why did they choose Norse? Were Greeks and Romans too "brown"? lol


Because Scandanavians have blonde hair and blue eyes typically associated with them.

Also Anglo-Saxons who like being cucked by Vikings.


WTF?
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Kineth
04/23/17 11:22:20 PM
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Ammonitida posted...
Kineth posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
Why are racists and Neo-Nazis obsessed with Norse mythology? Like between that and Greek/Roman, why did they choose Norse? Were Greeks and Romans too "brown"? lol


Because Scandanavians have blonde hair and blue eyes typically associated with them.

Also Anglo-Saxons who like being cucked by Vikings.


WTF?


Which part?
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Ammonitida
04/23/17 11:25:12 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
Why are racists and Neo-Nazis obsessed with Norse mythology? Like between that and Greek/Roman, why did they choose Norse? Were Greeks and Romans too "brown"? lol


This reminds of the sick SJWs who tried to vilify one of Micah Johnson's murder victims because he had tattoos associated with Scandinavian mythology (ignoring the fact that he was of Scandinavian descent).
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Dash_Harber
04/23/17 11:25:47 PM
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Ivynn posted...
Also Norse mythology is one of the few pantheons where gods could (and regularly did) die. Nothing more humanizing than death!


They also routinely fought, fucked, and feasted with humans, so that helps.

ChromaticAngel posted...
Ironically, his treatment of Loki and his children in the name of stopping Ragnarok is probably what ended up causing it.


Yeah, I always found that ironic too. Most of the creatures that end up destroying the universe were only against him because he was a total dick to them for being monsters in the first place (even though his one most popular trait was that he recruited the most badass warriors regardless of where they were from). For example, Fenris, who was actually really friendly and was something of a friend to Tyr, only turned on Odin after the gods tricked him and chained him up on Odin's orders because Odin saw it prophecized.

I guess that is the sort of stuff that people like about the myths. They are wonderfully clever.
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kel854
04/23/17 11:27:02 PM
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The Valhalla Terminators will be here soon just wait a moment.
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