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Damn_Underscore 04/16/17 11:26:46 PM #1:	The estimated federal tax revenue for 2017 is $3.64 trillion. and there are about 325 million Americans right now (which will only rise in number) Based on those numbers and assuming tax money goes to nothing but UBI each American would get about $11,175, which is below the poverty line for a single person. Even if you collect more taxes and give UBI only to the Bottom 90% or something, obviously tax money has to go to other things besides UBI. So how is UBI supposed to work at all? --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:877339186] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>The estimated federal tax revenue for 2017 is $3.64 trillion. and there are about 325 million Americans right now (which will only rise in number) Based on those numbers and assuming tax money goes to nothing but UBI each American would get about $11,175, which is below the poverty line for a single person. Even if you collect more taxes and give UBI only to the Bottom 90% or something, obviously tax money has to go to other things besides UBI. So how is UBI supposed to work at all?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 04/16/17 11:28:47 PM #2:	Damn_Underscore posted... The estimated federal tax revenue for 2017 is $3.64 trillion. and there are about 325 million Americans right now (which will only rise in number) Based on those numbers and assuming tax money goes to nothing but UBI each American would get about $11,175, which is below the poverty line for a single person. Even if you collect more taxes and give UBI only to the Bottom 90% or something, obviously tax money has to go to other things besides UBI. So how is UBI supposed to work at all? You have to have government controlled pricing of things. It's the only way. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:877339268] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>The estimated federal tax revenue for 2017 is $3.64 trillion. and there are about 325 million Americans right now (which will only rise in number) Based on those numbers and assuming tax money goes to nothing but UBI each American would get about $11,175, which is below the poverty line for a single person. Even if you collect more taxes and give UBI only to the Bottom 90% or something, obviously tax money has to go to other things besides UBI. So how is UBI supposed to work at all?</quote> You have to have government controlled pricing of things. It's the only way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
siganddaxter 04/16/17 11:31:22 PM #3:	Resources will be nearly limitless. Energy will be free, food production will be automated. Most things will be so different. <cite>siganddaxter posted [p:877339412] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>Resources will be nearly limitless. Energy will be free, food production will be automated. Most things will be so different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 04/16/17 11:32:56 PM #4:	You're going to get paid to sit at home and play video games all day!!!!! --- https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/35939727.jpg <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:877339498] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>You're going to get paid to sit at home and play video games all day!!!!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drasilor 04/16/17 11:35:19 PM #5:	Damn_Underscore posted... The estimated federal tax revenue for 2017 is $3.64 trillion. and there are about 325 million Americans right now (which will only rise in number) Based on those numbers and assuming tax money goes to nothing but UBI each American would get about $11,175, which is below the poverty line for a single person. Even if you collect more taxes and give UBI only to the Bottom 90% or something, obviously tax money has to go to other things besides UBI. So how is UBI supposed to work at all? Well your math is already off since it's including everyfuckingbody in the US. --- #mypresidentistrump <cite>Drasilor posted [p:877339629] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>The estimated federal tax revenue for 2017 is $3.64 trillion. and there are about 325 million Americans right now (which will only rise in number) Based on those numbers and assuming tax money goes to nothing but UBI each American would get about $11,175, which is below the poverty line for a single person. Even if you collect more taxes and give UBI only to the Bottom 90% or something, obviously tax money has to go to other things besides UBI. So how is UBI supposed to work at all?</quote> Well your math is already off since it's including everyfuckingbody in the US.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/16/17 11:36:27 PM #6:	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_income_tax <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:877339690] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_income_tax</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 04/17/17 1:04:11 PM #7:	A negative income tax might would breed laziness and be terrible for the economy. Nearly everyone would rather receive $15,000 for doing nothing than work a service job and make a few thousand dollars more. And people say we will NEED UBI because automation will take all the jobs, and if that is true then a negative income tax wouldn't be enough. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:877365892] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>A negative income tax might would breed laziness and be terrible for the economy. Nearly everyone would rather receive $15,000 for doing nothing than work a service job and make a few thousand dollars more. And people say we will NEED UBI because automation will take all the jobs, and if that is true then a negative income tax wouldn't be enough.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ampelas 04/17/17 1:05:32 PM #8:	Ask Proudclod. Aside from REMercsChamp, he's the one who talks about it the most on here @meingott <cite>Ampelas posted [p:877365980] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>Ask Proudclod. Aside from REMercsChamp, he's the one who talks about it the most on here @meingott</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/17/17 1:06:36 PM #9:	Damn_Underscore posted... So how is UBI supposed to work at all? It's not. It's a liberal fantasy only loosely justified by some phobia that robots will eliminate all the jobs in a few hundred years. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:877366041] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>So how is UBI supposed to work at all?</quote> It's not. It's a liberal fantasy only loosely justified by some phobia that robots will eliminate all the jobs in a few hundred years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 04/17/17 1:08:58 PM #10:	Just saiyan, I live on about $12K a year after taxes and I live pretty comfortably --- If her hips don't break, you didn't "carry" hard enough" -SpunkySix <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:877366172] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>Just saiyan, I live on about $12K a year after taxes and I live pretty comfortably</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MJ_Max 04/17/17 1:09:31 PM #11:	The Admiral posted... It's not. It's a liberal fantasy only loosely justified by some phobia that robots will eliminate all the jobs in a few hundred years. Why wouldn't they, at the least, eliminate most jobs? <cite>MJ_Max posted [p:877366204] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>It's not. It's a liberal fantasy only loosely justified by some phobia that robots will eliminate all the jobs in a few hundred years.</quote> Why wouldn't they, at the least, eliminate most jobs?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ampelas 04/17/17 1:10:56 PM #13:	fire_bolt posted... Just saiyan, I live on about $12K a year after taxes and I live pretty comfortably Define comfortably though. Like what are your bills? Own place or live with parents? Car? Education level? Comfortable is very variable <cite>Ampelas posted [p:877366274] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote>Just saiyan, I live on about $12K a year after taxes and I live pretty comfortably</quote> Define comfortably though. Like what are your bills? Own place or live with parents? Car? Education level? Comfortable is very variable</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/17/17 1:12:49 PM #14:	MJ_Max posted... The Admiral posted... It's not. It's a liberal fantasy only loosely justified by some phobia that robots will eliminate all the jobs in a few hundred years. Why wouldn't they, at the least, eliminate most jobs? We've had these automation scares in the past; in each instance the automation of work in one sector created or opened up work opportunities elsewhere. To give a (probably bad metaphor) the fact that we no longer have to spend hours doing laundry by hand frees up time for video games, netflix, and other recreational pursuits that, at one end result from labor. --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:877366368] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>MJ_Max posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>It's not. It's a liberal fantasy only loosely justified by some phobia that robots will eliminate all the jobs in a few hundred years.</quote> Why wouldn't they, at the least, eliminate most jobs?</quote> We've had these automation scares in the past; in each instance the automation of work in one sector created or opened up work opportunities elsewhere. To give a (probably bad metaphor) the fact that we no longer have to spend hours doing laundry by hand frees up time for video games, netflix, and other recreational pursuits that, at one end result from labor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 04/17/17 1:13:07 PM #15:	We are still decades off (or at least like 15 years) from being prosperous enough as a society to do UBI. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:877366382] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>We are still decades off (or at least like 15 years) from being prosperous enough as a society to do UBI.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/17/17 1:13:27 PM #16:	MJ_Max posted... The Admiral posted... It's not. It's a liberal fantasy only loosely justified by some phobia that robots will eliminate all the jobs in a few hundred years. Why wouldn't they, at the least, eliminate most jobs? Because we have no idea what the job needs of the future will be at the time those robots replace today's jobs. Technology and automation of today have eliminated almost every job that people had in 1700, and yet the global employment rate has never been higher. Those folks would have made the same assumptions about future technology in 1700 because they couldn't imagine how things would be today. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:877366400] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>MJ_Max posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>It's not. It's a liberal fantasy only loosely justified by some phobia that robots will eliminate all the jobs in a few hundred years.</quote> Why wouldn't they, at the least, eliminate most jobs?</quote> Because we have no idea what the job needs of the future will be at the time those robots replace today's jobs. Technology and automation of today have eliminated almost every job that people had in 1700, and yet the global employment rate has never been higher. Those folks would have made the same assumptions about future technology in 1700 because they couldn't imagine how things would be today.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I Like Toast 04/17/17 1:16:20 PM #17:	It doesn't work. fire_bolt posted... Just saiyan, I live on about $12K a year after taxes and I live pretty comfortably If this is true the only way you are is because of other government programs, which you'd no longer be getting. Sativa_Rose posted... We are still decades off (or at least like 15 years) from being prosperous enough as a society to do UBI. Lol --- If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all <cite>I Like Toast posted [p:877366562] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>It doesn't work. <cite>fire_bolt posted...</cite> <quote>Just saiyan, I live on about $12K a year after taxes and I live pretty comfortably</quote> If this is true the only way you are is because of other government programs, which you'd no longer be getting. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>We are still decades off (or at least like 15 years) from being prosperous enough as a society to do UBI.</quote> Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MJ_Max 04/17/17 1:17:08 PM #18:	New jobs will open up sure, but why should we require people to take them to survive when these jobs increasingly are unrelated to survival? When all jobs that handle survival are automated, why should people need to work to survive? <cite>MJ_Max posted [p:877366615] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>New jobs will open up sure, but why should we require people to take them to survive when these jobs increasingly are unrelated to survival? When all jobs that handle survival are automated, why should people need to work to survive?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 04/17/17 1:17:31 PM #19:	Just print more money. --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom http://i.imgur.com/9gYddqW.jpg <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:877366636] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>Just print more money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 04/17/17 1:18:54 PM #20:	The Admiral posted... some phobia that robots will eliminate all the jobs in a few hundred years. That's exactly what's going to happen and why UBI will actually be feasible in the future. If robots are doing all the manual labor for us, energy is produced through renewable sources, health problems are easily solved with genetic engineering and every house is 3D printed in a day then the cost of living will have become so low that the government could provide that kind of money easily like they do food stamps today. Working just to survive will be a relic of the past. But I'm trying to explain economics to a person who thinks a sweat shop in China was shut down because liberals support a minimum wage so this was probably a waste of time. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:877366723] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>some phobia that robots will eliminate all the jobs in a few hundred years.</quote> That's exactly what's going to happen and why UBI will actually be feasible in the future. If robots are doing all the manual labor for us, energy is produced through renewable sources, health problems are easily solved with genetic engineering and every house is 3D printed in a day then the cost of living will have become so low that the government could provide that kind of money easily like they do food stamps today. Working just to survive will be a relic of the past. But I'm trying to explain economics to a person who thinks a sweat shop in China was shut down because liberals support a minimum wage so this was probably a waste of time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 04/17/17 1:19:02 PM #21:	Full time student with a full time job Bills are rent, lights, internet, phone, car insurance I split a small 2 bedroom apartment with one roommate We eat out about half our meals and cook about half I bought a used car at the beginning of the year by trading in my old one and paid cash from my savings on the rest I simply don't try to live outside my means and always put a little money back whenever possible --- If her hips don't break, you didn't "carry" hard enough" -SpunkySix <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:877366733] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>Full time student with a full time job Bills are rent, lights, internet, phone, car insurance I split a small 2 bedroom apartment with one roommate We eat out about half our meals and cook about half I bought a used car at the beginning of the year by trading in my old one and paid cash from my savings on the rest I simply don't try to live outside my means and always put a little money back whenever possible</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/17/17 1:20:35 PM #22:	Broseph_Stalin posted... The Admiral posted... some phobia that robots will eliminate all the jobs in a few hundred years. That's exactly what's going to happen and why UBI will actually be feasible in the future. If robots are doing all the manual labor for us, energy is produced through renewable sources, health problems are easily solved with genetic engineering and every house is 3D printed in a day then the cost of living will have become so low that the government could provide that kind of money easily like they do food stamps today. Working just to survive will be a relic of the past. But I'm trying to explain economics to a person who thinks a sweat shop in China was shut down because liberals support a minimum wage so this was probably a waste of time. No, what you're trying and failing to do is explain economics to someone with an economics degree. And, no surprise, you have no idea what you're talking about. What your post is discussing is science-fiction and is a laughable basis for current economic policies. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:877366807] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>some phobia that robots will eliminate all the jobs in a few hundred years.</quote> That's exactly what's going to happen and why UBI will actually be feasible in the future. If robots are doing all the manual labor for us, energy is produced through renewable sources, health problems are easily solved with genetic engineering and every house is 3D printed in a day then the cost of living will have become so low that the government could provide that kind of money easily like they do food stamps today. Working just to survive will be a relic of the past. But I'm trying to explain economics to a person who thinks a sweat shop in China was shut down because liberals support a minimum wage so this was probably a waste of time.</quote> No, what you're trying and failing to do is explain economics to someone with an economics degree. And, no surprise, you have no idea what you're talking about. What your post is discussing is science-fiction and is a laughable basis for current economic policies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 04/17/17 1:21:26 PM #23:	Lmao, Toast showing his ignorance again I receive zero government assistance, silly. Everything I have I've earned --- If her hips don't break, you didn't "carry" hard enough" -SpunkySix <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:877366857] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>Lmao, Toast showing his ignorance again I receive zero government assistance, silly. Everything I have I've earned</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MJ_Max 04/17/17 1:23:55 PM #24:	The Admiral posted... No, what you're trying and failing to do is explain economics to someone with an economics degree. And, no surprise, you have no idea what you're talking about. What your post is discussing is science-fiction and is a laughable basis for current economic policies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Standing_(economist) Here's a dude I Googled in 5 seconds with a PhD in economics who supports Basic Income. I assume you're going to defer your opinion to this dude just like that guy you're responding to should bow down to your degree? <cite>MJ_Max posted [p:877366998] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>No, what you're trying and failing to do is explain economics to someone with an economics degree. And, no surprise, you have no idea what you're talking about. What your post is discussing is science-fiction and is a laughable basis for current economic policies.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Standing_(economist) Here's a dude I Googled in 5 seconds with a PhD in economics who supports Basic Income. I assume you're going to defer your opinion to this dude just like that guy you're responding to should bow down to your degree?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 04/17/17 1:26:12 PM #25:	The Admiral posted... What your post is discussing is science-fiction Capitalism making industry more efficient is science-fiction? That's an admiral post for sure. Starvation was a real problem for 99.9% of human history yet today obesity is the much greater problem. That's because food is cheaper and produced in greater volume than ever before thanks to more efficient farming technology. The same thing will happen to every other industry. And feel free to explain why a sweat shop in China got shut down because liberals in the US support minimum wage laws Mr. Economics degree. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:877367118] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>What your post is discussing is science-fiction</quote> Capitalism making industry more efficient is science-fiction? That's an admiral post for sure. Starvation was a real problem for 99.9% of human history yet today obesity is the much greater problem. That's because food is cheaper and produced in greater volume than ever before thanks to more efficient farming technology. The same thing will happen to every other industry. And feel free to explain why a sweat shop in China got shut down because liberals in the US support minimum wage laws Mr. Economics degree.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/17/17 1:28:00 PM #26:	MJ_Max posted... The Admiral posted... No, what you're trying and failing to do is explain economics to someone with an economics degree. And, no surprise, you have no idea what you're talking about. What your post is discussing is science-fiction and is a laughable basis for current economic policies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Standing_(economist) Here's a dude I Googled in 5 seconds with a PhD in economics who supports Basic Income. I assume you're going to defer your opinion to this dude just like that guy you're responding to should bow down to your degree? Now, spend another 5 seconds on Google and you'll find PhDs in economics who disagree with that theory. If you actually read the paper, you'll notice the issues discussed are not the same fantasy ones mentioned in this topic (and yes, I've read academic papers on this issue before). Not that this guy is really relevant to some completely ignorant user like Broseph Stalin who doesn't know what he's talking about. He's treated in a way that reflects his posting style and general lack of ability to make intelligent points. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:877367222] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>MJ_Max posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>No, what you're trying and failing to do is explain economics to someone with an economics degree. And, no surprise, you have no idea what you're talking about. What your post is discussing is science-fiction and is a laughable basis for current economic policies.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Standing_(economist) Here's a dude I Googled in 5 seconds with a PhD in economics who supports Basic Income. I assume you're going to defer your opinion to this dude just like that guy you're responding to should bow down to your degree?</quote> Now, spend another 5 seconds on Google and you'll find PhDs in economics who disagree with that theory. If you actually read the paper, you'll notice the issues discussed are not the same fantasy ones mentioned in this topic (and yes, I've read academic papers on this issue before). Not that this guy is really relevant to some completely ignorant user like Broseph Stalin who doesn't know what he's talking about. He's treated in a way that reflects his posting style and general lack of ability to make intelligent points.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/17/17 1:29:26 PM #27:	The Admiral posted... MJ_Max posted... The Admiral posted... It's not. It's a liberal fantasy only loosely justified by some phobia that robots will eliminate all the jobs in a few hundred years. Why wouldn't they, at the least, eliminate most jobs? Because we have no idea what the job needs of the future will be at the time those robots replace today's jobs. Technology and automation of today have eliminated almost every job that people had in 1700, and yet the global employment rate has never been higher. Those folks would have made the same assumptions about future technology in 1700 because they couldn't imagine how things would be today. We are attempting to eliminate as much manual and unskilled labor as possible. When that happens, I can't imagine enough new jobs being created to support the population, and that is assuming everyone is competent enough to do those jobs. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:877367301] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MJ_Max posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>It's not. It's a liberal fantasy only loosely justified by some phobia that robots will eliminate all the jobs in a few hundred years.</quote> Why wouldn't they, at the least, eliminate most jobs?</quote> Because we have no idea what the job needs of the future will be at the time those robots replace today's jobs. Technology and automation of today have eliminated almost every job that people had in 1700, and yet the global employment rate has never been higher. Those folks would have made the same assumptions about future technology in 1700 because they couldn't imagine how things would be today.</quote> We are attempting to eliminate as much manual and unskilled labor as possible. When that happens, I can't imagine enough new jobs being created to support the population, and that is assuming everyone is competent enough to do those jobs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/17/17 1:30:44 PM #28:	hockeybub89 posted... We are attempting to eliminate as much manual and unskilled labor as possible. When that happens, I can't imagine enough new jobs being created to support the population, and that is assuming everyone is competent enough to do those jobs. And that's the problem. Like I said earlier, people 300 years ago could not have imagined the job environment of today. But your lack of imagination and phobia of future changes is not a rational basis for economic policies. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:877367387] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> We are attempting to eliminate as much manual and unskilled labor as possible. When that happens, I can't imagine enough new jobs being created to support the population, and that is assuming everyone is competent enough to do those jobs.</quote> And that's the problem. Like I said earlier, people 300 years ago could not have imagined the job environment of today. But your lack of imagination and phobia of future changes is not a rational basis for economic policies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 04/17/17 1:31:22 PM #29:	The Admiral posted... Not that this guy is really relevant to some completely ignorant user like Broseph Stalin who doesn't know what he's talking about. Are you mad that I'm destroying you in this topic or the topic where I called you out on your anti-semitic conspiracy theory and you had to flee like usual? <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:877367426] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Not that this guy is really relevant to some completely ignorant user like Broseph Stalin who doesn't know what he's talking about. </quote> Are you mad that I'm destroying you in this topic or the topic where I called you out on your anti-semitic conspiracy theory and you had to flee like usual?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/17/17 1:32:14 PM #30:	admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do. --- These people are literally ignorant of the law. It's astounding. As the situation escalates I will come out victorious. - DawkinsNumber4 <cite>meingott posted [p:877367467] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/17/17 1:34:00 PM #31:	Broseph_Stalin posted... The Admiral posted... Not that this guy is really relevant to some completely ignorant user like Broseph Stalin who doesn't know what he's talking about. Are you mad that I'm destroying you in this topic or the topic where I called you out on your anti-semitic conspiracy theory and you had to flee like usual? LOL, you're basically shadow boxing and have convinced yourself you've actually won a fight. No one here has any respect for your intelligence, so these claims about things I said in other topics (anti-Semitism, sweat shops) are just being ignored. As they should, because you made them up to take attention off the fact that your points are garbage. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:877367545] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Not that this guy is really relevant to some completely ignorant user like Broseph Stalin who doesn't know what he's talking about. </quote> Are you mad that I'm destroying you in this topic or the topic where I called you out on your anti-semitic conspiracy theory and you had to flee like usual?</quote> LOL, you're basically shadow boxing and have convinced yourself you've actually won a fight. No one here has any respect for your intelligence, so these claims about things I said in other topics (anti-Semitism, sweat shops) are just being ignored. As they should, because you made them up to take attention off the fact that your points are garbage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 04/17/17 1:34:14 PM #32:	meingott posted... admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do. It amazes me how sure random people are about this. Notice how you said that it WILL happen. Do you work in AI? How sure are you that it is inevitable that pretty much anything a human can do will be replaced by automation? --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:877367566] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do.</quote> It amazes me how sure random people are about this. Notice how you said that it WILL happen. Do you work in AI? How sure are you that it is inevitable that pretty much anything a human can do will be replaced by automation?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/17/17 1:35:12 PM #33:	Sativa_Rose posted... meingott posted... admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do. It amazes me how sure random people are about this. Notice how you said that it WILL happen. Do you work in AI? How sure are you that it is inevitable that pretty much anything a human can do will be replaced by automation? yes i do. 100% sure. --- These people are literally ignorant of the law. It's astounding. As the situation escalates I will come out victorious. - DawkinsNumber4 <cite>meingott posted [p:877367620] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do.</quote> It amazes me how sure random people are about this. Notice how you said that it WILL happen. Do you work in AI? How sure are you that it is inevitable that pretty much anything a human can do will be replaced by automation?</quote> yes i do. 100% sure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/17/17 1:36:07 PM #34:	meingott posted... admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do. > Calls a position ignorant > Makes an assertion about uncertain future technology that isn't close to existing Come on, dude. Even if you're right in that AI will eliminate every single job that exists today, you have no idea what the job needs will be at that point in the future. But this is a limitation of you to imagine the world of tomorrow, not an issue that should be taken seriously in creating economic policy today. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:877367671] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do.</quote> > Calls a position ignorant > Makes an assertion about uncertain future technology that isn't close to existing Come on, dude. Even if you're right in that AI will eliminate every single job that exists today, you have no idea what the job needs will be at that point in the future. But this is a limitation of you to imagine the world of tomorrow, not an issue that should be taken seriously in creating economic policy today.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 04/17/17 1:39:19 PM #35:	UBI will require the ruling class to hand out money, never going to happen <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:877367856] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>UBI will require the ruling class to hand out money, never going to happen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/17/17 1:39:54 PM #36:	The Admiral posted... meingott posted... admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do. > Calls a position ignorant > Makes an assertion about uncertain future technology that isn't close to existing Come on, dude. Even if you're right in that AI will eliminate every single job that exists today, you have no idea what the job needs will be at that point in the future. But this is a limitation of you to imagine the world of tomorrow, not an issue that should be taken seriously in creating economic policy today. wrong. couple more years and self driving cars/trucks will be ready to replace human drivers. whatchu gonna do about that? --- These people are literally ignorant of the law. It's astounding. As the situation escalates I will come out victorious. - DawkinsNumber4 <cite>meingott posted [p:877367893] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do.</quote> > Calls a position ignorant > Makes an assertion about uncertain future technology that isn't close to existing Come on, dude. Even if you're right in that AI will eliminate every single job that exists today, you have no idea what the job needs will be at that point in the future. But this is a limitation of you to imagine the world of tomorrow, not an issue that should be taken seriously in creating economic policy today.</quote> wrong. couple more years and self driving cars/trucks will be ready to replace human drivers. whatchu gonna do about that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MJ_Max 04/17/17 1:41:05 PM #37:	The Admiral posted... meingott posted... admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do. > Calls a position ignorant > Makes an assertion about uncertain future technology that isn't close to existing Come on, dude. Even if you're right in that AI will eliminate every single job that exists today, you have no idea what the job needs will be at that point in the future. But this is a limitation of you to imagine the world of tomorrow, not an issue that should be taken seriously. If you knew for a fact that AI and automation would exist to the extent that everything everyone needs for basic survival was automated, would you still require people to get jobs? Even if there were plenty of other needs in the world for people to work jobs, just not survival-based ones. Would you let people freely take enough to survive, or would you restrict those automated goods to those who work? <cite>MJ_Max posted [p:877367955] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do.</quote> > Calls a position ignorant > Makes an assertion about uncertain future technology that isn't close to existing Come on, dude. Even if you're right in that AI will eliminate every single job that exists today, you have no idea what the job needs will be at that point in the future. But this is a limitation of you to imagine the world of tomorrow, not an issue that should be taken seriously.</quote> If you knew for a fact that AI and automation would exist to the extent that everything everyone needs for basic survival was automated, would you still require people to get jobs? Even if there were plenty of other needs in the world for people to work jobs, just not survival-based ones. Would you let people freely take enough to survive, or would you restrict those automated goods to those who work?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 04/17/17 1:41:19 PM #38:	there is already self-driving trucks working and doing loads I know a truck driver and he told me all about it --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:877367966] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>there is already self-driving trucks working and doing loads I know a truck driver and he told me all about it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/17/17 1:42:30 PM #39:	meingott posted... The Admiral posted... meingott posted... admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do. > Calls a position ignorant > Makes an assertion about uncertain future technology that isn't close to existing Come on, dude. Even if you're right in that AI will eliminate every single job that exists today, you have no idea what the job needs will be at that point in the future. But this is a limitation of you to imagine the world of tomorrow, not an issue that should be taken seriously in creating economic policy today. wrong. couple more years and self driving cars/trucks will be ready to replace human drivers. whatchu gonna do about that? Enjoy the improvement, the same way folks likely enjoyed the upgrade from horse buggies to cars. You guys are acting like it's a new discovery that technological innovation replaces certain types of jobs... Not sure why you think this is something different. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:877368042] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do.</quote> > Calls a position ignorant > Makes an assertion about uncertain future technology that isn't close to existing Come on, dude. Even if you're right in that AI will eliminate every single job that exists today, you have no idea what the job needs will be at that point in the future. But this is a limitation of you to imagine the world of tomorrow, not an issue that should be taken seriously in creating economic policy today.</quote> wrong. couple more years and self driving cars/trucks will be ready to replace human drivers. whatchu gonna do about that?</quote> Enjoy the improvement, the same way folks likely enjoyed the upgrade from horse buggies to cars. You guys are acting like it's a new discovery that technological innovation replaces certain types of jobs... Not sure why you think this is something different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/17/17 1:43:59 PM #40:	The Admiral posted... meingott posted... The Admiral posted... meingott posted... admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do. > Calls a position ignorant > Makes an assertion about uncertain future technology that isn't close to existing Come on, dude. Even if you're right in that AI will eliminate every single job that exists today, you have no idea what the job needs will be at that point in the future. But this is a limitation of you to imagine the world of tomorrow, not an issue that should be taken seriously in creating economic policy today. wrong. couple more years and self driving cars/trucks will be ready to replace human drivers. whatchu gonna do about that? Enjoy the improvement, the same way folks likely enjoyed the upgrade from horse buggies to cars. You guys are acting like it's a new discovery that technological innovation replaces certain types of jobs... Not sure why you think this is something different. ill enjoy the improvement. but the millions of new unemployed people wont. whatchu gonna do about them when they come for your palace and savings? --- These people are literally ignorant of the law. It's astounding. As the situation escalates I will come out victorious. - DawkinsNumber4 <cite>meingott posted [p:877368121] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do.</quote> > Calls a position ignorant > Makes an assertion about uncertain future technology that isn't close to existing Come on, dude. Even if you're right in that AI will eliminate every single job that exists today, you have no idea what the job needs will be at that point in the future. But this is a limitation of you to imagine the world of tomorrow, not an issue that should be taken seriously in creating economic policy today.</quote> wrong. couple more years and self driving cars/trucks will be ready to replace human drivers. whatchu gonna do about that?</quote> Enjoy the improvement, the same way folks likely enjoyed the upgrade from horse buggies to cars. You guys are acting like it's a new discovery that technological innovation replaces certain types of jobs... Not sure why you think this is something different.</quote> ill enjoy the improvement. but the millions of new unemployed people wont. whatchu gonna do about them when they come for your palace and savings?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MJ_Max 04/17/17 1:44:31 PM #41:	The Admiral posted... meingott posted... The Admiral posted... meingott posted... admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do. > Calls a position ignorant > Makes an assertion about uncertain future technology that isn't close to existing Come on, dude. Even if you're right in that AI will eliminate every single job that exists today, you have no idea what the job needs will be at that point in the future. But this is a limitation of you to imagine the world of tomorrow, not an issue that should be taken seriously in creating economic policy today. wrong. couple more years and self driving cars/trucks will be ready to replace human drivers. whatchu gonna do about that? Enjoy the improvement, the same way folks likely enjoyed the upgrade from horse buggies to cars. You guys are acting like it's a new discovery that technological innovation replaces certain types of jobs... Not sure why you think this is something different. Because computers allow for arbitrary automation complexity. <cite>MJ_Max posted [p:877368160] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>admiral, youre speaking from a position of ignorance. this new wave of automation will create artificial intelligence that can do pretty much anything a human can do.</quote> > Calls a position ignorant > Makes an assertion about uncertain future technology that isn't close to existing Come on, dude. Even if you're right in that AI will eliminate every single job that exists today, you have no idea what the job needs will be at that point in the future. But this is a limitation of you to imagine the world of tomorrow, not an issue that should be taken seriously in creating economic policy today.</quote> wrong. couple more years and self driving cars/trucks will be ready to replace human drivers. whatchu gonna do about that?</quote> Enjoy the improvement, the same way folks likely enjoyed the upgrade from horse buggies to cars. You guys are acting like it's a new discovery that technological innovation replaces certain types of jobs... Not sure why you think this is something different.</quote> Because computers allow for arbitrary automation complexity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 04/17/17 1:45:16 PM #42:	The Admiral posted... You're making things up that's why i can't defend any of my arguments! Unfortunately for you the topic is still up: https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75243546 Notice the sudden lack of Admiral post once you're called out on your nazi conspiracy theories. But if you're going to ignore that feel free to put that economics degree to use and explain why capitalism hasn't made industry more efficient. Can't wait for that one. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:877368204] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>You're making things up that's why i can't defend any of my arguments!</quote> Unfortunately for you the topic is still up: https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75243546 Notice the sudden lack of Admiral post once you're called out on your nazi conspiracy theories. But if you're going to ignore that feel free to put that economics degree to use and explain why capitalism hasn't made industry more efficient. Can't wait for that one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/17/17 1:45:29 PM #43:	The Admiral posted... hockeybub89 posted... We are attempting to eliminate as much manual and unskilled labor as possible. When that happens, I can't imagine enough new jobs being created to support the population, and that is assuming everyone is competent enough to do those jobs. And that's the problem. Like I said earlier, people 300 years ago could not have imagined the job environment of today. But your lack of imagination and phobia of future changes is not a rational basis for economic policies. I have no fear. I want that future. This isn't people moving to a new factory or driving taxis instead of buggies. We are going to take people out of factories, drivers out of cars, cashiers and waitstaff out of stores and restaurants. That isn't fearmongering. That is the aim. Why let humans do what a machine can do better? Because humans have to work? We aren't automating just so people can move on to new similar jobs. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:877368222] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> We are attempting to eliminate as much manual and unskilled labor as possible. When that happens, I can't imagine enough new jobs being created to support the population, and that is assuming everyone is competent enough to do those jobs.</quote> And that's the problem. Like I said earlier, people 300 years ago could not have imagined the job environment of today. But your lack of imagination and phobia of future changes is not a rational basis for economic policies.</quote> I have no fear. I want that future. This isn't people moving to a new factory or driving taxis instead of buggies. We are going to take people out of factories, drivers out of cars, cashiers and waitstaff out of stores and restaurants. That isn't fearmongering. That is the aim. Why let humans do what a machine can do better? Because humans have to work? We aren't automating just so people can move on to new similar jobs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/17/17 1:50:52 PM #44:	Broseph_Stalin posted... The Admiral posted... You're making things up that's why i can't defend any of my arguments! Unfortunately for you the topic is still up: https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75243546 Notice the sudden lack of Admiral post once you're called out on your nazi conspiracy theories. But if you're going to ignore that feel free to put that economics degree to use and explain why capitalism hasn't made industry more efficient. Can't wait for that one. It has, so that point is asinine. As for the other topic, I just see someone with poor reading comprehension who thought cultural Marxism was the same as social Marxism. This was pointed out to you, and you and Rebel ignored it as expected. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:877368512] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>You're making things up that's why i can't defend any of my arguments!</quote> Unfortunately for you the topic is still up: https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75243546 Notice the sudden lack of Admiral post once you're called out on your nazi conspiracy theories. But if you're going to ignore that feel free to put that economics degree to use and explain why capitalism hasn't made industry more efficient. Can't wait for that one.</quote> It has, so that point is asinine. As for the other topic, I just see someone with poor reading comprehension who thought cultural Marxism was the same as social Marxism. This was pointed out to you, and you and Rebel ignored it as expected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MJ_Max 04/17/17 1:54:47 PM #46:	Asherlee10 posted... I think it's important to note that until we have Strong A.I. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_consciousness), humans are going to be needed for a lot of jobs, even after we've automated so many of the common jobs that exist today. The main concern I have about strong A.I. though is that it seems to imply consciousness, which means we can't ethically force it to do anything. <cite>MJ_Max posted [p:877368731] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>I think it's important to note that until we have Strong A.I. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_consciousness), humans are going to be needed for a lot of jobs, even after we've automated so many of the common jobs that exist today.</quote> The main concern I have about strong A.I. though is that it seems to imply consciousness, which means we can't ethically force it to do anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 04/17/17 1:54:54 PM #47:	The Admiral posted... It has, so that point is asinine. Then why don't you agree that it will continue to make industry more efficient in the future? The Admiral posted... I just see someone with poor reading comprehension who thought cultural Marxism was the same as social Marxism. Yes that's exactly where you fled the topic. People pointed out there was no difference and you really couldn't explain otherwise. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:877368737] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>It has, so that point is asinine. </quote> Then why don't you agree that it will continue to make industry more efficient in the future? <cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote> I just see someone with poor reading comprehension who thought cultural Marxism was the same as social Marxism.</quote> Yes that's exactly where you fled the topic. People pointed out there was no difference and you really couldn't explain otherwise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/17/17 1:55:32 PM #48:	Asherlee10 posted... I think it's important to note that until we have Strong A.I. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_consciousness), humans are going to be needed for a lot of jobs, even after we've automated so many of the common jobs that exist today. once you've eliminated transportation jobs and a good chunk of the service sector, there won't be enough work for people. that future is really close. --- These people are literally ignorant of the law. It's astounding. As the situation escalates I will come out victorious. - DawkinsNumber4 <cite>meingott posted [p:877368765] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>I think it's important to note that until we have Strong A.I. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_consciousness), humans are going to be needed for a lot of jobs, even after we've automated so many of the common jobs that exist today.</quote> once you've eliminated transportation jobs and a good chunk of the service sector, there won't be enough work for people. that future is really close.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ampelas 04/17/17 1:56:15 PM #49:	The Admiral posted... Broseph_Stalin posted... The Admiral posted... You're making things up that's why i can't defend any of my arguments! Unfortunately for you the topic is still up: https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75243546 Notice the sudden lack of Admiral post once you're called out on your nazi conspiracy theories. But if you're going to ignore that feel free to put that economics degree to use and explain why capitalism hasn't made industry more efficient. Can't wait for that one. It has, so that point is asinine. As for the other topic, I just see someone with poor reading comprehension who thought cultural Marxism was the same as social Marxism. This was pointed out to you, and you and Rebel ignored it as expected. Please explain the difference between the two and what the definition of "social Marxism" is <cite>Ampelas posted [p:877368797] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>You're making things up that's why i can't defend any of my arguments!</quote> Unfortunately for you the topic is still up: https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75243546 Notice the sudden lack of Admiral post once you're called out on your nazi conspiracy theories. But if you're going to ignore that feel free to put that economics degree to use and explain why capitalism hasn't made industry more efficient. Can't wait for that one.</quote> It has, so that point is asinine. As for the other topic, I just see someone with poor reading comprehension who thought cultural Marxism was the same as social Marxism. This was pointed out to you, and you and Rebel ignored it as expected.</quote> Please explain the difference between the two and what the definition of "social Marxism" is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/17/17 1:57:50 PM #50:	daily reminder that Ampelas and Broseph_Stalin are useless shitposters --- These people are literally ignorant of the law. It's astounding. As the situation escalates I will come out victorious. - DawkinsNumber4 <cite>meingott posted [p:877368880] in How is uni... [t:75246658]...</cite> <quote>daily reminder that Ampelas and Broseph_Stalin are useless shitposters</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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