Current Events > Almost 4 years later, how do you feel about the George Zimmerman verdict?

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RockRapDubstep posted...

Wtf happened in this topic.

Same shit that happens every Zammyman topic.
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Mist_Turnips posted...

RockRapDubstep posted...

Wtf happened in this topic.

Same shit that happens every Zammyman topic.

Sadly this.


Trayvon defenders refuse to actually look into the case even for a few seconds but want to be really angry. So things never change
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Trayvon defenders refuse to actually look into the case even for a few seconds but want to be really angry. So things never change

The most ironic thing posted in 2017.
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He's a horrible person, but he wasn't guilty of murder here. He acted in self-defence, and I'm glad the jury could see that. The joke that Zimmerman's lawyer made at the start of the trial was lame, but appropriate. People were quick to judge him because of how it was reported in the media, and how it made it out like a dangerous white man (even though he's hispanic) basically murdered an innocent black boy in cold blood.

So yeah. He didn't deserve to be convicted of anything (including manslaughter IMO), but his actions post-trial have shown that he's a cretin.
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The Eternal Flame posted...

but his actions post-trial have shown that he's a cretin.

Ehhh I'm always tempted to take this with a pinch of salt.

"After he was harrased by the media for years, had his life threatened, his family broken, was millions in debt and constantly bullied every waking moment of his life by a public that didn't know him, he acted weird."

Well no shit. The fact he isn't batfuck insane today is a minor miracle.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Ehhh I'm always tempted to take this with a pinch of salt.

"After he was harrased by the media for years, had his life threatened, his family broken, was millions in debt and constantly bullied every waking moment of his life by a public that didn't know him, he acted weird."

Well no shit. The fact he isn't batfuck insane today is a minor miracle.

Also true. It doesn't make his actions any less detestable, though.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

XT3M3 posted...

had they gone for manslaughter, Zimmerman would be in jail atm.

Not really. Basic self defense from a man attacking you would have held up instantly.

The police didn't even pick the case up until the media touched it

murder was a horrible case from the start . you really didn't have to prove manslaughter, Trevor is dead, the self defense claim was the only wall.

lolwut?

You think you don't have to prove manslaughter? That's the dumbest thing said in this topic and that's saying something

and his name isn't Trevor.

poor wording, you have to prove it was done for a Decent reason (obviously) IE self defense, or it wasnt some wreckless idiot shooting in a crowd of people, or if it was a accident my point is that compared to a murder verdict, ALOT less needed to get the verdict you want.

with murder you have to prove that zimmerman intended on killing trevon the WHOLE TIME

i know his name isnt trevor, thats my phone auto correct.
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Justice for Trevor.
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You know how Zimmerman could have lived a better life? Not following a kid with a gun and then shooting him.

It's completely on him. Nobody asked him to prowl his neighbourhood and harass kids going home with skittles and nestea

Hell, the cops told him to stop doing it.
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divot1338 posted...

Hell, the cops told him to stop doing it.

No they didn't.
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Wouldn't have needed self defense if he stayed home.

Zimmerman is a piece of shit.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

You know how Zimmerman could have lived a better life? Not following a kid with a gun and then shooting him.

Know how Trayvon could not be dead? Not following and assaulting people

It's completely on him. Nobody asked him to prowl his neighbourhood and harass kids going home with skittles and nestea

That's not how life works dude. You're not a murderer if you employ self-defense just because you exist.

I'm still waiting for your side to name a law he broke, all you can do is say "Well if he wasn't there he wouldn't have been there!" and then run away when it's revealed by that logic, both Zimmerman and Trayvons parents and grandparents are murderers

divot1338 posted...

Hell, the cops told him to stop doing it.

No they didn't actually

But facts are less important than your worldview.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

You know how Zimmerman could have lived a better life? Not following a kid with a gun and then shooting him.

It's completely on him. Nobody asked him to prowl his neighbourhood and harass kids going home with skittles and nestea

Eh. He probably would've smacked his wife again at some point. He's used to starting shit.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I'm still waiting for your side to name a law he broke, all you can do is say "Well if he wasn't there he wouldn't have been there!" and then run away when it's revealed by that logic, both Zimmerman and Trayvons parents and grandparents are murderers

You keep going on about this. I'm not saying he broke any laws. He would have if he lived in a civilized country, you can't follow someone with a gun where I live, but since he lives in fucking Florida, he's allowed to shoot unarmed kids.

Legal =/= moral

Darklit_Minuet posted...

You keep going on about this.

Same way people keep banging on about 2 + 2 being 4.

Weird that way people who are always right tend to repeat things intentionally ignorant people deny. Man it's like they're trying to improve the world or something

Your ancestor was the goof who burned women alive for saying the Earth revolved around the sun.

My anestor was the guy who discovered fire and then was horrified at the way yours used it

And here we all all these generations later. Me learing it all and you not learning a thing

Darklit_Minuet posted...

I'm not saying he broke any laws.

Good because he didn't.

He would have if he lived in a civilized country, you can't follow someone with a gun where I live, but since he lives in fucking Florida, he's allowed to shoot unarmed kids.

This is pretty bullshitty. The exception of being arrested for gun poessesion in countries with strict gun-control, he wouldn't have been found guilty of murder or manslaughter or stalking in any civilized nation on Earth.

Going "HErp flordia derp" is dumb. Same self-defense 101 would have worked in every state

No matter how much it hurts your world view, no civilization on Earth says it is illegal to walk down a public street or is it illegal to defend yourself from an attacker.

Aside from somewhere like Japan or Australia or the UK potentially being whiny about him having a gun, no other law would be broken no matter where the incident occured.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

I'm still waiting for your side to name a law he broke, all you can do is say "Well if he wasn't there he wouldn't have been there!" and then run away when it's revealed by that logic, both Zimmerman and Trayvons parents and grandparents are murderers

You keep going on about this. I'm not saying he broke any laws. He would have if he lived in a civilized country, you can't follow someone with a gun where I live, but since he lives in fucking Florida, he's allowed to shoot unarmed kids.

Legal =/= moral

He would have been guilty of murder if he lived in a civilized state.
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divot1338 posted...

He would have been guilty of murder if he lived in a civilized state.

On what grounds? Based on what evidence?
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My point is that following someone with a gun and then killing them with that gun is wrong. It's illegal in most countries that aren't the US. The US being backwards does not make him justified. Maybe legally, which is why the scumbag is still free, but not morally.

Was completely self-defense, Tmart turned out to be a violent thug especially based on his social media photos of himself with guns and drugs.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Mist_Turnips posted...

RockRapDubstep posted...

Wtf happened in this topic.

Same shit that happens every Zammyman topic.

Sadly this.


Trayvon defenders refuse to actually look into the case even for a few seconds but want to be really angry. So things never change

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Darklit_Minuet posted...

My point is that following someone with a gun and then killing them with that gun is wrong.

Sure if you pretend that's all that happened and ignored context. In this case, the fact that's not what happened..

But defending yourself from someone trying to kill you, is not wrong. And that's the Zimmerman incident.

By your logic the guys who shot the armed thugs breaking into their house was wrong because they followed them killed them with a gun

It's childish stupidity

It's illegal in most countries that aren't the US.

Except it's not. Same 101 self-defense laws would be upheld everywhere

The US being backwards does not make him justified. Maybe legally, which is why the scumbag is still free, but not morally.

Name one civilized country that doesn't have self-defense laws.

The US is not "backwards" It's the same as every civilized nation if not more advanced.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

But defending yourself from someone trying to kill you, is not wrong. And that's the Zimmerman incident.

By your logic the guys who shot the armed thugs breaking into their house was wrong because they followed them killed them with a gun

Your argument hinges on this unfounded idea that Zimmerman was defending himself. If the shooting was done in his home or his car, I'd agree. But no. He left the car, pursued Trayvon, then killed him.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Except it's not. Same 101 self-defense laws would be upheld everywhere

UnfairRepresent posted...

Name one civilized country that doesn't have self-defense laws.

Which is why Trayvon would have been justified in defending himself

Darklit_Minuet posted...

Your argument hinges on this unfounded idea that Zimmerman was defending himself.

That's not unfounded at all. All existing evidene in the universe describes that event as occuring to the extent that it is as much of a fact as anything else.

We know Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, we know Zimerman shot Travyon in defense of being attacked

Darklit_Minuet posted...

He left the car, pursued Trayvon, then killed him.

And all the bits you intentionally childishly missed out between "Trayvon," and "then" explain why that is self-defense,

You know the whole Trayvon got home, turned around, followed Zimmerman, assaulted him and then tried to kill him thing.

"I didn't rape her. I just walked her home, opened the door then fell asleep."

"But between opening the door and sleeping you raped her."

"context doesn't exist if I don't mention it. "

Very very dumb.

Darklit_Minuet posted...

Which is why Trayvon would have been justified in defending himself

If he was attacked by someone, yes.

But Trayvon was never attacked. He attacked someone else.
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PokemonHunter69 posted...

Was completely self-defense, Tmart turned out to be a violent thug especially based on his social media photos of himself with guns and drugs.

And the fact he jumped Zimmerman

UnfairRepresent posted...

But Trayvon was never attacked. He attacked someone else.

You're wrong tho

coldcuts posted...

PokemonHunter69 posted...

Was completely self-defense, Tmart turned out to be a violent thug especially based on his social media photos of himself with guns and drugs.

And the fact he jumped Zimmerman

Weren't they having a whole conversation though? It's not like he just came out of nowhere and hit him. Zimmerman they said exchanged words.
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Oh damn that karma level...
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

But Trayvon was never attacked. He attacked someone else.

You're wrong tho

Soo all the accounts and evidence that says Trayvon attacked Zimmerman just doesn't exist? Travyon having nothing on him but the bulletwound and brusied knuckles was a police cover-up? His girlfriend lied about Travyon saying he made it home?

Everyone in the case lied about the location of the fight?

"No ur wrong cuz I dun want it to be true" is childish. Stop it. It does nothing but hurt the world.

Travyon foolishly assaulted someone and because of that crime he is not here today

It's tragic but demanding he is not responsible for his actions and another man who broke no laws is responsible for Trayvon's actions is utter insanity
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KStateKing17 posted...

coldcuts posted...

PokemonHunter69 posted...

Was completely self-defense, Tmart turned out to be a violent thug especially based on his social media photos of himself with guns and drugs.

And the fact he jumped Zimmerman

Weren't they having a whole conversation though? It's not like he just came out of nowhere and hit him. Zimmerman they said exchanged words.

The exchanged words were:

"Yo, you got a problem?"
"No I don't have a problem."
"Now you havea problem" *SMACK*

And that was Trayvon emerging from behind a bush in the dark.

He came out of no where and hit him
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Soo all the accounts and evidence that says Trayvon attacked Zimmerman just doesn't exist? Travyon having nothing on him but the bulletwound and brusied knuckles was a police cover-up? His girlfriend lied about Travyon saying he made it home?

All that info is irrelevant. Trayvon made it home, realized Zimmerman was still stalking him, didn't want to let a lunatic with a gun know where his family lives, so he doubled back and took an alternate route. Standard behavior from someone who is justifiably in fear for his life and the lives of his family members.

Trayvon attacked Zimmerman in self defense, but you can't prove he laid the first blow.

UnfairRepresent posted...

It's tragic but demanding he is not responsible for his actions and another man who broke no laws is responsible for Trayvon's actions is utter insanity

No, Zimmerman is responsible for killing someone. He is not responsible for whatever actions Trayvon tried in self defense

Poll results are a great indicator at just how bigoted this place is as a whole
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I have problems with Unfair in a lot of the things he says, but honestly he's running circles around some of you guys

Literally an argument made against him was "nuh uh"
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DyingPancake posted...

I have problems with Unfair in a lot of the things he says, but honestly he's running circles around some of you guys

Literally an argument made against him was "nuh uh"

Well when you keep making shit up, all you really deserve is "nuh uh"

Darklit_Minuet posted...

All that info is irrelevant.

No it's not. At all.

Trayvon made it home, realized Zimmerman was still stalking him,

Actually he didn't. Zimmerman had lost him. Travyon had to turn around and go after Zimmerman. Then ambushed him

didn't want to let a lunatic with a gun know where his family lives, so he doubled back and took an alternate route. Standard behavior from someone who is justifiably in fear for his life and the lives of his family members.

No it's not at all. If you fear for your family's safety call the cops.

Following, ambushing and trying to murder people because they walked down a public street and you fear them is an act of insanity

Please seek help if you do not understand that.

It's also not even true. What evidence we have strongly implies Travyon did not fear Zimmerman at all and just wanted to hurt him. Not that it matters, either way it's sill felony assault at best and attempted murder at worst.

Trayvon also did not know Zimy had a gun.

Darklit_Minuet posted...

No, Zimmerman is responsible for killing someone.

In self-defense

Darklit_Minuet posted...

He is not responsible for whatever actions Trayvon tried in self defense

Indeed


But Trayvon took no actions in self-defense so that point is moot.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Well when you keep making shit up

What have I made up?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

No it's not at all. If you fear for your family's safety call the cops.

Lmao did you seriously just say a black guy living in the US should call the cops if he fears for his family's safety?

I suppose you think he should also have called the local KKK branch?

Darklit_Minuet posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

No it's not at all. If you fear for your family's safety call the cops.

Lmao did you seriously just say a black guy living in the US should call the cops if he fears for his family's safety?

I suppose you think he should also have called the local KKK branch?

Shut the fuck up
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

No it's not at all. If you fear for your family's safety call the cops.

Lmao did you seriously just say a black guy living in the US should call the cops if he fears for his family's safety?

I suppose you think he should also have called the local KKK branch?

Not to mention he just said stalking wasn't a crime. But now trayvon should have called the police.
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I don't often agree with Unfair, but this topic has me laughing at how he's running circles around people who keep claiming shit that is just completely untrue.

Zimmerman verdict was correct. It's a shame that Martin died, but he was not murdered.

KStateKing17 posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

No it's not at all. If you fear for your family's safety call the cops.

Lmao did you seriously just say a black guy living in the US should call the cops if he fears for his family's safety?

I suppose you think he should also have called the local KKK branch?

Not to mention he just said stalking wasn't a crime. But now trayvon should have called the police.

There was no stalking. Stalking is repeated behavior. As in more than once
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TrayTrays are a testament to the power of mass media sheep brainwashing. It's hilarious, but depressing, 4 years later.
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George Zimmerman got away with murder.

gmanthebest posted...

KStateKing17 posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

No it's not at all. If you fear for your family's safety call the cops.

Lmao did you seriously just say a black guy living in the US should call the cops if he fears for his family's safety?

I suppose you think he should also have called the local KKK branch?

Not to mention he just said stalking wasn't a crime. But now trayvon should have called the police.

There was no stalking. Stalking is repeated behavior. As in more than once

Which is why I'm asking why call the police then when it's known that they won't do anything until something happens.

I'm not arguing that Zimmerman murdered him, which I don't believe is true, but to say he's not at fault in the situation in any way, I completely disagree. The trial is over though, so there's nothing anyone can do about that.
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jenningsnash313 posted...

Yes, he got away with manslaughter should be an option.

His negligence and behavior caused Trayvon to die, but it was in self-defense, to a degree. Should've been charged with manslaughter, not murder.

If you cause an altercation and the other guy (Trayvon Martin) decides to do something about it, you shouldn't have the right to claim self defense. It was 2nd degree murder.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Lmao did you seriously just say a black guy living in the US should call the cops if he fears for his family's safety?

Trayvon defenders

"It's okay to follow and assault people in the street if you're black because fuck da police."

No thats stupid.

KStateKing17 posted...

Not to mention he just said stalking wasn't a crime. But now trayvon should have called the police.

Blatant lie. I never said stalking wasn't a crime. I pointed out the fact that Zimmerman didnt stalk anyone.

But yes if you if you are worried about a man following you, call the cops, don't try to murder him. This isnt complicated you should have been taught this when you were 4

KStateKing17 posted...

Which is why I'm asking why call the police then when it's known that they won't do anything until something happens.

What are you talking about? If you report that someone is following you to the police they will get involved. And then if there are repeated incidents the guy will be arrested.

See this why Trayvon defenders scare me. they're teaching people to be stupid and irrational

clyde_frog posted...

If you cause an altercation and the other guy (Trayvon Martin) decides to do something about it, you shouldn't have the right to claim self defense. It was 2nd degree murder.

That's not how logic, morality or law works. You can't kill me because you have small balls and I was walking down a public street.

That's utterly insane, you don't get to attack and attempt to kill people.
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gmanthebest posted...

KStateKing17 posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

No it's not at all. If you fear for your family's safety call the cops.

Lmao did you seriously just say a black guy living in the US should call the cops if he fears for his family's safety?

I suppose you think he should also have called the local KKK branch?

Not to mention he just said stalking wasn't a crime. But now trayvon should have called the police.

There was no stalking. Stalking is repeated behavior. As in more than once

As in like when he told the dispatcher he was following him and then later got out of his car to follow him some more after losing him?
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DawkinsNumber4 posted...

As in like when he told the dispatcher he was following him and then later got out of his car to follow him some more after losing him?

Which was the same incident.

We've been over this and you ran away.

It's like arguing it was actually 500 boughts of following because he kept blinking. That's now how the law works.
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@UnfairRepresent I just looked back, I did get that stalking statement wrong my apologies, (this topic has been going on for four days good lord). Starting to get posts mixed up.

But in the case of Trayvon potentially calling the police, I'm talking about response. How long did it take for police to come to the neighborhood to respond to Zimmerman's call compared to when someone called about the scuffle and the gunshot? That's what I mean when I say they don't respond until something happens.
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