Current Events > Almost 4 years later, how do you feel about the George Zimmerman verdict?

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Your thoughts?
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Self defense, fair and justified.
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didnt care then and dont now
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Yes, he got away with manslaughter should be an option.

His negligence and behavior caused Trayvon to die, but it was in self-defense, to a degree. Should've been charged with manslaughter, not murder.
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Oh man
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Bored. Tired of the subject.

They should have gotten him for manslaughter, but the prosecution got greedy and put the jury in a tight spot.
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TheoryzC posted...

Oh man

Exactly what I said when I saw this topic.
I just came to tag.
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Definitely not first degree. It wasn't pre-meditated. But I agree with what a guy said above about it happening due to his own negligence.

negligent manslaughter
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Should've went for second degree murder or manslaughter. There was no way he was getting convicted of first degree.



But yeah he got off and is a human piece of garbage.
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he is an american hero
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It was the appropriate verdict given the charges. Dude is a garbage human being though.
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Yes, he was.
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Ever noticed that all the people who claim he was a murderer don't actually know a single detail about the case?
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jenningsnash313 posted...

His negligence and behavior caused Trayvon to die,

By this miserable logic Travyon's parents are guilty because by fucking they caused Trayvon to exist and then ultimately are responsible for him attacking people.

That's not how cause and effect works. You can't follow and attack someone and then blame everyone else.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Ever noticed that all the people who claim he was a murderer don't actually know a single detail about the case?

I mean, I watched the entire trial. I wouldn't say it was murder but I'd definitely not agree with what other people have said ITT that it was manslaughter caused by his own negligence.

And also unrelated to the case Zimmerman is a piece of human garbage.
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Slip-N-Slide posted...

I mean, I watched the entire trial. I wouldn't say it was murder but I'd definitely not agree with what other people have said ITT that it was manslaughter caused by his own negligence.

Freudian slip here says it all.
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I enjoyed one of the prosecutors opening statements, but it was laughable as we know what really happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saCZQAcrsGw
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Involuntary manslaughter.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Ever noticed that all the people who claim he was a murderer don't actually know a single detail about the case?

Zimmerman reached for his phone before he got punched. Given he had followed Trayvon and Trayvon had already took off running once along with the fact he reached for something on his person after being confronted it's more likely than not Trayvon thought he was reaching for a gun or some other weapon (maybe a knife?) and that's what got Zimmerman punched.
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jenningsnash313 posted...

Yes, he got away with manslaughter should be an option.

His negligence and behavior caused Trayvon to die, but it was in self-defense, to a degree. Should've been charged with manslaughter, not murder.

This
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When they initially didn't want to press any charges they were wrong. I wanted a trial and to have the facts come out. He was in the wrong for trying to confront him and the kid had every right to defend himself. But I agree with the outcome and the fact that he probably would have been stuck with a manslaughter charge if they went for that instead.
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DawkinsNumber4 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Ever noticed that all the people who claim he was a murderer don't actually know a single detail about the case?

Zimmerman reached for his phone before he got punched. Given he had followed Trayvon and Trayvon had already took off running once along with the fact he reached for something on his person after being confronted it's more likely than not Trayvon thought he was reaching for a gun or some other weapon (maybe a knife?) and that's what got Zimmerman punched.

Ok several things.

1. That doesnt matter. That still means Zimmerman commited no crime for defending himself when assaulted.

2. The bit you gloss over is that Trayvon followed Zimmerman after he got home. So any argument of "Zimmerman was a dangerous threat" goes out the window.

3. We don't actually know if Trayvon saw Zimmerman reach and if he did, his actions don't reflect a man who's scared of an another man reaching for a gun.

So absolute best case scenario for Trayon's defense: Travyon is massively unintelligent and acted like a moron but neither man commited a crime. Which is comical

And occam's razor + all the existing evidence is Travyon commited felony assault and potentially attempted murder

Either way, Zimmerman is not guilty on all charges. Not letting a violent assaulter kill you is not a crime
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dummy420 posted...

He was in the wrong for trying to confront him and the kid had every right to defend himself.

That's not what happened though

Travyon confronted and attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman defended himself.
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Potentially could have got him on manslaughter but no way was he getting murder for that
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UnfairRepresent posted...

dummy420 posted...

He was in the wrong for trying to confront him and the kid had every right to defend himself.

That's not what happened though

Travyon confronted and attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman defended himself.

From my understanding he was being followed by Zimmerman and confronted him. I believe that's more along self defence. If what you said is true that Travyon ended up following Zimmerman after the fact then I didn't know that part. Basically I felt a trial needed to happen and would accept the outcome.
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dummy420 posted...

From my understanding he was being followed by Zimmerman and confronted him. I believe that's more along self defence. If what you said is true that Travyon ended up following Zimmerman after the fact then I didn't know that part.

As I said, the people who call for murder are the people who didn't follow the case
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UnfairRepresent posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Ever noticed that all the people who claim he was a murderer don't actually know a single detail about the case?

Zimmerman reached for his phone before he got punched. Given he had followed Trayvon and Trayvon had already took off running once along with the fact he reached for something on his person after being confronted it's more likely than not Trayvon thought he was reaching for a gun or some other weapon (maybe a knife?) and that's what got Zimmerman punched.

Ok several things.

1. That doesnt matter. That still means Zimmerman commited no crime for defending himself when assaulted.

2. The bit you gloss over is that Trayvon followed Zimmerman after he got home. So any argument of "Zimmerman was a dangerous threat" goes out the window.

3. We don't actually know if Trayvon saw Zimmerman reach and if he did, his actions don't reflect a man who's scared of an another man reaching for a gun.

So absolute best case scenario for Trayon's defense: Travyon is massively unintelligent and acted like a moron but neither man commited a crime. Which is comical

And occam's razor + all the existing evidence is Travyon commited felony assault and potentially attempted murder

Either way, Zimmerman is not guilty on all charges. Not letting a violent assaulter kill you is not a crime

Prosecutor should have went after Zimmerman for stalking then stand your ground wouldn't have applied and he would have gotten involuntary manslaughter and stalking. Zimmerman admitted he followed him.
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Self defense imo

Any reasonable person would have punched Zimmerman given the circumstances. If you are about to get shot you don't let them get the gun.
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DawkinsNumber4 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Ever noticed that all the people who claim he was a murderer don't actually know a single detail about the case?

Zimmerman reached for his phone before he got punched. Given he had followed Trayvon and Trayvon had already took off running once along with the fact he reached for something on his person after being confronted it's more likely than not Trayvon thought he was reaching for a gun or some other weapon (maybe a knife?) and that's what got Zimmerman punched.

Ok several things.

1. That doesnt matter. That still means Zimmerman commited no crime for defending himself when assaulted.

2. The bit you gloss over is that Trayvon followed Zimmerman after he got home. So any argument of "Zimmerman was a dangerous threat" goes out the window.

3. We don't actually know if Trayvon saw Zimmerman reach and if he did, his actions don't reflect a man who's scared of an another man reaching for a gun.

So absolute best case scenario for Trayon's defense: Travyon is massively unintelligent and acted like a moron but neither man commited a crime. Which is comical

And occam's razor + all the existing evidence is Travyon commited felony assault and potentially attempted murder

Either way, Zimmerman is not guilty on all charges. Not letting a violent assaulter kill you is not a crime

Prosecutor should have went after Zimmerman for stalking then stand your ground wouldn't have applied and he would have gotten involuntary manslaughter and stalking. Zimmerman admitted he followed him.

The defense never used the stand your ground law. I watched the case and you can look it up if you don't believe me. They never use or cite stand your ground in the case

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

Any reasonable person would have punched Zimmerman given the circumstances. If you are about to get shot you don't let them get the gun.

I have never assaulted someone in my life and I doubt I would ever just beat the shit out of someone just because they got too close to me

I'm thoughts are that I was very comfortable having forgotten about all of that, and now I'm very irate that you brought it up again.
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I know UR got a chubby with the argument he could be in with this topic.

I think it was the right outcome for the case, but he was clearly at fault.
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Milkman5 posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

Any reasonable person would have punched Zimmerman given the circumstances. If you are about to get shot you don't let them get the gun.

I have never assaulted someone in my life and I doubt I would ever just beat the shit out of someone just because they got too close to me

I know people perceive threats differently.

But as a young black man being followed by a seemingly white man in a neighborhood I'm not completely familiar with I'd at the very least be walking prepared for an altercation.
If it was a woman who was followed like that no one would of really questioned it if she pepper sprayed Zimmerman.
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Milkman5 posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Ever noticed that all the people who claim he was a murderer don't actually know a single detail about the case?

Zimmerman reached for his phone before he got punched. Given he had followed Trayvon and Trayvon had already took off running once along with the fact he reached for something on his person after being confronted it's more likely than not Trayvon thought he was reaching for a gun or some other weapon (maybe a knife?) and that's what got Zimmerman punched.

Ok several things.

1. That doesnt matter. That still means Zimmerman commited no crime for defending himself when assaulted.

2. The bit you gloss over is that Trayvon followed Zimmerman after he got home. So any argument of "Zimmerman was a dangerous threat" goes out the window.

3. We don't actually know if Trayvon saw Zimmerman reach and if he did, his actions don't reflect a man who's scared of an another man reaching for a gun.

So absolute best case scenario for Trayon's defense: Travyon is massively unintelligent and acted like a moron but neither man commited a crime. Which is comical

And occam's razor + all the existing evidence is Travyon commited felony assault and potentially attempted murder

Either way, Zimmerman is not guilty on all charges. Not letting a violent assaulter kill you is not a crime

Prosecutor should have went after Zimmerman for stalking then stand your ground wouldn't have applied and he would have gotten involuntary manslaughter and stalking. Zimmerman admitted he followed him.

The defense never used the stand your ground law. I watched the case and you can look it up if you don't believe me. They never use or cite stand your ground in the case

That's not actually how stand your ground works. The way it works is if you can defend yourself unless you are committing a crime. If ZImmerman was actively stalking Martin then a self-defense claim would have been impossible.
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gamepimp12 posted...

Milkman5 posted...

DawkinsNumber4 posted...

Any reasonable person would have punched Zimmerman given the circumstances. If you are about to get shot you don't let them get the gun.

I have never assaulted someone in my life and I doubt I would ever just beat the shit out of someone just because they got too close to me

I know people perceive threats differently.

But as a young black man being followed by a seemingly white man in a neighborhood I'm not completely familiar with I'd at the very least be walking prepared for an altercation.
If it was a woman who was followed like that no one would of really questioned it if she pepper sprayed Zimmerman.

He also literally RAN from Zimmerman's car and Zimmerman ADMITTEDLY followed him.

Zimmerman also claimed he had to get out of his car to see a street sign in his own gated neighborhood with only 3 streets. A STREET SIGN, that you can see from the STREET.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

dummy420 posted...

From my understanding he was being followed by Zimmerman and confronted him. I believe that's more along self defence. If what you said is true that Travyon ended up following Zimmerman after the fact then I didn't know that part.

As I said, the people who call for murder are the people who didn't follow the case

And as I said I felt a trial was necessary and accept the outcome. I dont follow the cases because it isnt news I care to follow.
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DawkinsNumber4 posted...

Prosecutor should have went after Zimmerman for stalking

Would have lost instantly while everyone laughed because walking down a public street is not stalking

then stand your ground wouldn't have applied and he would have gotten involuntary manslaughter and stalking. Zimmerman admitted he followed him.

Stand your ground didn't apply to the case as it was. It never came up. Basic 101 self-defense laws in every developed nation on Earth are what defended Zimmerman.

gamepimp12 posted...

But as a young black man being followed by a seemingly white man in a neighborhood I'm not completely familiar with I'd at the very least be walking prepared for an altercation.
If it was a woman who was followed like that no one would of really questioned it if she pepper sprayed Zimmerman.

If she followed Zimmerman to pepperspray him? Yes they would.



DawkinsNumber4 posted...

He also literally RAN from Zimmerman's car and Zimmerman ADMITTEDLY followed him.

That's not illegal.
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He wouldn't have gotten away with stalking and then shooting someone in England.
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Marmitecashews posted...

He wouldn't have gotten away with stalking and then shooting someone in England.

He wouldn't have gotten away with that in America either.
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He's a stupid fucking asshole who didn't murder Trayvon Martin
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Does anyone really feel a tiny bit bad for Zimmerman? Because I don't one bit. I hope he never gets to work a decent job again. He was a major dumbass for trying to play neighborhood watch.
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Zimmerman was a guy who harrassed someone and then ended up killing the person.
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TommyG663513 posted...

Does anyone really feel a tiny bit bad for Zimmerman?

I do

He's millions in debt, his family is torn apart, can never have a normal life again, he's hated by people too lazy to look up basic facts and the reason for all this is because he didn't let someone beat him to death in the street...

It's a really sad story

Because I don't one bit. I hope he never gets to work a decent job again. He was a major dumbass for trying to play neighborhood watch.

That's because you're a horrible human being
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dummy420 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

dummy420 posted...

He was in the wrong for trying to confront him and the kid had every right to defend himself.

That's not what happened though

Travyon confronted and attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman defended himself.

From my understanding he was being followed by Zimmerman and confronted him. I believe that's more along self defence. If what you said is true that Travyon ended up following Zimmerman after the fact then I didn't know that part. Basically I felt a trial needed to happen and would accept the outcome.

Being followed is not grounds to attack someone in self defense. If thats the case, if I happen to be heading home at the same time as my neighbours, I could attack them and claim they were following me.
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UR really loves to argue
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>debate between Dawkins and UR

oh god no
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Cant flim flam the zim zam
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