Board 8 > Mercenaries 4 Mafia Topic 9: Zidane Sucks (Here's 20 reasons he WON'T Trance)

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As for Scare yeah, you don't get to gambit with Eaed right now, we missed that boat yesterday thanks to IGCD we have to take a stand one way or the other so your flip flopping doesn't wash. Especially when there's no guarantee if Eaeds town he poisons scum.
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Why is ed the best lynch? Are you surest he's scum?
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Oddity posted...

scare, if we mislynch ed and there are 3 scum, we lose. I have a vague townvibe from ed just based on how he's reacted with his claim etc. Pls do not lynch.

I was in Mercs. His flavor and claim make no sense. That coupled with his play his lynch makes the most sense
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ScareChan posted...

Oddity posted...

scare, if we mislynch ed and there are 3 scum, we lose. I have a vague townvibe from ed just based on how he's reacted with his claim etc. Pls do not lynch.

I was in Mercs. His flavor and claim make no sense. That coupled with his play his lynch makes the most sense

Elaborate.
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why does his flavor/claim not make sense (didn't follow mercs closely enough, frankly at this moment I don't even remember what his flavor claim was)?
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His flavor makes no sense, thats the main issue I have. If I am wrong the poison thing is like a backup bonus that we get another chance.
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That's just reiterating, I need to know why it doesn't make sense.
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But we won't get another chance, we're in lylo, poison takes 2 nights to take effect.
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I cant think of any reason for Ganon to be poisoner, or vengeful
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Does anybody remember the topic where he claimed his flavor?
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Because, while I didn't get way into mercs, I did read some of it and scare's right. Ganon was a pretty chill guy.
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I've lost my link to the archives but I seem to remember it being topic 5
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going to take a break and watch some iron fist.
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I mean the general consensus so far has been peoples flavour have made sense from what I've been reading... so that is definitely worth considering, it's something I was working towards asking yesterday but I got back to see IGCD had been modded and day was kaput... and the way he was for his lynch with the reasoning he gave seemed genuine.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Lopen I don't remember why I wasn't down on anyone on day 2.

Is it bad that I am not opposed to the lynch of myself? I have not been very useful as town this game and if we have a good idea on who else may be scum we can use this poison to our advantage.

This was probably the post from Eaed that made most of us feel like he's town huh?

I'm curious to hear that flavor stuff though. His claim is still ridiculous to me too
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MenuWars posted...

I mean the general consensus so far has been peoples flavour have made sense from what I've been reading... so that is definitely worth considering, it's something I was working towards asking yesterday but I got back to see IGCD had been modded and day was kaput... and the way he was for his lynch with the reasoning he gave seemed genuine.

Actually, Kanz and Johnbob's flavor were apparently super believable too
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Kanz not so much because of Leo, but I don't remember anyone complaining about JBs. Him not reacting to Ulti at all was the problem there.
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In the flavor, gravy spoke that there were two people not to cross. One was not in M4 and the other was DC and that DC would slit the throat of someone and sabotage their chances of winning at the cost of their own game. When I go down the drain I am going to take someone else with me.
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I am going to bed and I celebrate Easter so I may be busy tomorrow.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Vote: Tony

For wanting to kill me so bad yesterday and today whilst being so off about what the truth really is. It's just never felt to me like a genuine suspicion of me.

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This makes no sense, but ok. I get it, I've suspected you for awhile and I've found genuine contradictions and weirdness, so of course you'd say this.

This is weak, you can't even say anything I've done that seems scummy except "never felt like a genuine suspicion"? Lol

Oddity posted...

Anybody down for a Tony lynch?

Vote: Tony

lmao could this be any more perfect?

So who are we lynching first, Oddity or Ben?
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Vote: Tony

For wanting to kill me so bad yesterday and today whilst being so off about what the truth really is. It's just never felt to me like a genuine suspicion of me.

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This makes no sense, but ok. I get it, I've suspected you for awhile and I've found genuine contradictions and weirdness, so of course you'd say this.

This is weak, you can't even say anything I've done that seems scummy except "never felt like a genuine suspicion"? Lol

Oddity posted...

Anybody down for a Tony lynch?

Vote: Tony

lmao could this be any more perfect?

So who are we lynching first, Oddity or Ben?

Which of the "contradictions" that you pointed out in your last post were actually true? And please xplain what you mean by "weirdness" and if weirdness is supposed to = scum
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benjamin3740 posted...

Which of the "contradictions" that you pointed out in your last post were actually true? And please xplain what you mean by "weirdness" and if weirdness is supposed to = scum

Just off the top of my head, the way you softballed up "I'm scared Lopen is bussing Johnbob, because Johnbob was as good as dead",

Even though at the start of the day, Johnbob was essentially considered super super probable Town by just about everyone (but me, I might add).

It was a really obvious way for you to try and put suspicion on somebody who was basically confirmed Town.

One more thing I'll point out: Lopen did a detailed read of the early game mid yesterday, and he pointed out things I did and called me Town, and you said something like "This makes me feel better about Tony being Town".

So what changed?
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Oddity posted...

But we won't get another chance, we're in lylo, poison takes 2 nights to take effect.

I don't think we're in LyLo, that would mean there's 4 scum left
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ScareChan posted...

I cant think of any reason for Ganon to be poisoner, or vengeful

eaed claimed DC I'm pretty sure?
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eaedwards6400 posted...

In the flavor, gravy spoke that there were two people not to cross. One was not in M4 and the other was DC and that DC would slit the throat of someone and sabotage their chances of winning at the cost of their own game. When I go down the drain I am going to take someone else with me.

Oh, DC and not Ganon?

So I was wrong on his flavor, but it still doesn't fit in my opinion.

I believe Lopen shared the same thought, can someone find Lopen's reaction to the claim?
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Was Ganon an admin in Mercs?
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Ganon was a player, he offered to be an Admin after he lost though but it was denied
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Ganon? No, he was an awesome player.
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Did Ganon and Gravy have any beef?
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Maybe its not clear but I was wrong on his flavor, he didnt claim Ganon he claimed Death Chicken

which I still feel doesnt fit
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but would like to note he was scummoned as he popped in to talk about his flavor and then left.
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ScareChan posted...

but would like to note he was scummoned as he popped in to talk about his flavor and then left.

I did note this yes... and yes I saw the Ganon mistake I'd like you to answer the question anyway.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Had Miz earlier but he's stepping up his play and mixing it up, which is giving me pause. I need to think about how it all fits with his earlier moves and recalibrate. Thinking Johnbobb and Jaded ATM - former has been very noncommittal and I would really like to see some proper scumhunting from him (what posts stick out? Why? Who's a good lynch today if he doesn't believe Corrik?), latter has sorta had a pattern of 'make a couple big posts, say a few tiny things afterward, disappear, repeat' for a bit. Eaed has posted a bit more now and this feels much more like the Ed from CT. Miz's comments give me a "!", Death, I can't lie.

Unvote

@ Johnbobb see my questions above. Any reads to work with?

@ htaeD why wouldn't your flavor say PJ was a player? God knows mine talks at length about Alany's misadventures. Can I get an explanation on this?

Willing to bet Death is town based off this post. Classic put 1 scum and 2 town in your list, then poke a scum and a town.
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MenuWars posted...

ScareChan posted...

but would like to note he was scummoned as he popped in to talk about his flavor and then left.

I did note this yes... and yes I saw the Ganon mistake I'd like you to answer the question anyway.

He ran away Scared
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Menu, what is your case against me. If we're at lylo I'd kind of like to keep town from mislynching... I'm not sure how much longer I'll be up btw, I'm thinking half an hourish?
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Thinking about it even if the answer is yes it's unlikely it's a slip of him calling Eaed's flavour ganon as why would he be pushing for a bus at this stage... basically it's irrelevant and not worth worrying about it probably.

I don't remember anyone ever mentioning Ganon though so it's gonna bug me that that name came up seemingly out of nowhere.
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Oddity posted...

Menu, what is your case against me. If we're at lylo I'd kind of like to keep town from mislynching... I'm not sure how much longer I'll be up btw, I'm thinking half an hourish?

I've stated it multiple towns but you seem way too flexible, and relaxed about proceedings, like you'll follow happily not particularly giving reasons for why other than gut, and then sort of smirk it off. I haven't seen much in the line of questioning from you, nor hunting of any description just fluff posts and defense.

Usually you'll see some fire from players and inquisitiveness as town, especially someone who is self appointedly good at the game. I should have something I can look at and go okay this is a town mentality cool. But I don't and I can only question why that is.
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Flexible is how I am as town, because I'm questioning whether I've got it right or not. I'm super undecisive. But my reads tend to stay pretty constant. I don't have any 'fire' or passion I guess because the people I've wanted to lynch have been up there. My lynches are coming about. As for following others' logic, yah if I get a strong enough read of you as town, I will consider your words if I think you're good. I'm relaxed with proceedings because I'm town, I honestly don't care how others view me except when it comes down to getting lynched. If I'm town, I just post my thoughts as I have them so others can challenge me on faulty logic or get on board with me.

Fluff posts and defense kind of hurts tbqh. I've been reading this game pretty hard and posting my reads as I get them. It's not my fault people don't trust my reads. As for questioning, I'm pretty sure I ask a fair bit of questions. Usually scum lists or some such. I haven't questioned anybody super hard, I'll admit that. It's mostly because the strongest scumreads I've had were death and johnbob, both whom were getting all the heat they needed. You're accusing me of lacking inquisitiveness? Uhh... I've been archive diving quite a bit this game trying to figure things out.
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'my strong reads*' should be in the third sentence.
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I don't remember you turning up anything particularly useful, and we're in a situation now where you've been happy to coast along on others coat tails and now you're like it's not my fault if people don't believe me, what reason do we have to do so?

I mean if you're town I'd really rather you just DO something, I feel like the only thing you've truly commited to in the game was your read of Corrik, whom I can get why you'd think he was town but buying into his scan the way you did and sheeping it. It all just feels so flimsy, it's why as I've said all game I get sleazy vibes from you, like you#'re simply biding your time.
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Like you say you haven't got a read on me, and im basically null in one post, but you've barely tried to interact with me all game until now, even though I've been calling you scummy for ages. Like you made those little posts where you addressed concerns by pushing them away and going yeah just gut ya know. But at no point have you thought like, hey maybe this person saying im scummy is scum? If I'm town one of the best ways to read people is to get into the mindset of how they're reading me.

Scare is probably the only person in the game completely away of how I do this. Which is why I'm slightly disconcerted by his approval of me because when he's attacked me as scum before I've busted him for it. Death's the only other one I've interacted with a lot of over mafia, and he tends to just analyse things completely and doesn't offer much in the way of pushes.

I get that not everyone plays the same way, but you don't seem to want to delve into it at all either.
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Did I follow Corrik? Hell yes I did, at the time I was thinking he was 50/50ish cop and if he had a scan, I mean... you lynch scans. Then Mzero had his catch of Death and that seemed convincing to me and the whole thing was taking off. Why should I try and make it take off more? You'll notice I hesitated as soon as Johnbob voted for Death, because he was a strong scumread of mine. So I went to lynch him instead.

https://www.logfaqs.com/topic.php?id=75207854&page=2

posts 97-98. I get a scumread of johnbob from kanz (this was pre-kanz flip btw). After kanz is lynched, the next day johnbob's lynch was predetermined (don't exactly remember why atm). I didn't want to hammer at the time because I had seen a lot of votes go up. He was my scumread and he was getting lynched so why do I have any freaking drive to really stir things up. If johnbob wasn't a predetermined lynch you can bet I would have been doing my damnedest to get him lynched.

Yesterday, IGCD seemed to have solid arguments against him to me. Then day ended early so I didn't get to post a lot.

Oddity posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

...Blech. I'm looking at the last five (six now) pages and nothing's jumping out at me. Not to the point where I'd feel confident if I was the difference between one person or another getting hammered. top suspicion is Ulti, MZero is looking a bit better but not great, and where the fuck is Tony he has been super inactive - same for eaed, to the point where I legit wonder if they're not letting the big boys play and coasting on it because we're too busy talking to each other to even notice

Unvote

Guess I've got no choice. I'll FIND time to be around closer to deadline so I can find something actually substantial to grill people on. I'm not leaving my vote unused, but I need to make sure it's useful.

Call me paranoid, but is Kanz poking one of his scummates here? I'd pick Tony if he were.

I'll largely be using this to try and lynch Tony today. I'd say my stuff has been useful.
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Menu, you I have put on special hold till I get more time to read up on your arguments. I engage everybody the same way unless I'm 100% certain you're scum. From the moment you've started posting I've thought you were towny, but something in my gut keeps saying 'he's just really good scum'. So that's why I haven't labeled you town. I have to investigate my gut on you.
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Lol okay then mister it's lylo and so I need to be sure, you got all the time in the world to investigate me right?
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yah, tomorrow. I'm tired. Plus, even if I were to get a scumread on you, I'm still probably going to be more sure of tony so he'd still be my lynch target.
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It just looks to me like you're sidling up as scum to try and counter vote me but you're scared to pull the trigger tbh.

As for Tony he's in my scum reads just because I draw a blank on him, he's come out today with gas in the tank and I can't help but wonder if that's because he sees the win as scum in sight, but then why Ben? I think out of everyone in the game, Ben would be the least easy scum target. So if he is scum he gets my props for that.
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Man, I'm insulted. I don't countervote and if I was scum I wouldn't hesitate like this on voting you. I'd just make up some bullshit about your arguments and vote you.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Which of the "contradictions" that you pointed out in your last post were actually true? And please xplain what you mean by "weirdness" and if weirdness is supposed to = scum

Just off the top of my head, the way you softballed up "I'm scared Lopen is bussing Johnbob, because Johnbob was as good as dead",

Even though at the start of the day, Johnbob was essentially considered super super probable Town by just about everyone (but me, I might add).

It was a really obvious way for you to try and put suspicion on somebody who was basically confirmed Town.

One more thing I'll point out: Lopen did a detailed read of the early game mid yesterday, and he pointed out things I did and called me Town, and you said something like "This makes me feel better about Tony being Town".

So what changed?

I was paranoid, since his role seemed almost too conspicuous to be true - A watcher that has a 2 day break before he can watch again. And when i said Johnbob was as good as dead i was thinking about his near lynch, and that Lopen might have come up with his plan to claim Watcher that night after Kanz was lynched, before the day began and people started saying they liked Johnbob. I was thinking it could be a scum strat that Johnbob agreed to to give Lopen cred.

As soon as Leo flipped, Lopen was cleared in my books. Which was the very next day. My post was made near EOD, so was it suspicion that lasted like a few hours of game time?
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MenuWars posted...

It just looks to me like you're sidling up as scum to try and counter vote me but you're scared to pull the trigger tbh.

As for Tony he's in my scum reads just because I draw a blank on him, he's come out today with gas in the tank and I can't help but wonder if that's because he sees the win as scum in sight, but then why Ben? I think out of everyone in the game, Ben would be the least easy scum target. So if he is scum he gets my props for that.

Well I do think he's been going after me since day 1 or 2, so I guess he's gotta be consistent. And that's true for either alignment so...

Even I'm not sold on Tony being surefire scum, but I do think Oddity is posting right now like Town. This process of elimination thing is killing me, and its why i keep falling back on Tony. Too many town reads
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MenuWars posted...

ScareChan posted...

but would like to note he was scummoned as he popped in to talk about his flavor and then left.

I did note this yes... and yes I saw the Ganon mistake I'd like you to answer the question anyway.

I dont recall him and Ganon having beef, no. Gravy had beef with Kanz and Alany for sure. Kind of Chris at the end. I dont think there was anyone else he had real issues with.
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