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Mal_Fet
04/14/17 8:01:02 PM
#51:


Ampelas posted...
2) It will be hard to convince the public to blame Democrats for Obamacare’s destruction, after you publicly declared your intention to destroy Obamacare so that people would blame the Democrats for what you did.

What's he doing to destroy Obamacare that isn't a direct result of Obamacare itself
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KyoryuCyan
04/14/17 9:53:13 PM
#53:


UGH.

Trump is not planning on taking healthcare away. He's forcing the dems to negotiate Obamacare.

If they choose not to, that's not on Trump, THAT'S ON THEM. When they don't and he does what he said, you can expect the dems to be unanimously voted out of office in 2018 and 2020.
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Zero_Destroyer
04/14/17 9:57:24 PM
#54:


KyoryuCyan posted...
UGH.

Trump is not planning on taking healthcare away. He's forcing the dems to negotiate Obamacare.

If they choose not to, that's not on Trump, THAT'S ON THEM. When they don't and he does what he said, you can expect the dems to be unanimously voted out of office in 2018 and 2020.


"It's not like I wanted to shoot you in the head, they made me do it!"
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Mal_Fet
04/15/17 1:36:14 AM
#55:


Zero_Destroyer posted...
KyoryuCyan posted...
UGH.

Trump is not planning on taking healthcare away. He's forcing the dems to negotiate Obamacare.

If they choose not to, that's not on Trump, THAT'S ON THEM. When they don't and he does what he said, you can expect the dems to be unanimously voted out of office in 2018 and 2020.


"It's not like I wanted to shoot you in the head, they made me do it!"

Democrats made a policy in which they demanded to be shot in the head and now they want to blame Republicans for it
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Doom_Art
04/15/17 1:39:48 AM
#56:


Er, last I checked the GOP campaigned on repealing and replacing Obamacare.

The GOP was elected largely on that and given a majority in both chambers and the Presidency.

How exactly is any of this on Democrats?


If Trump wants to fix the problem, his own bloody party is in its most powerful and influential position in nearly a century. Why lean on the minority party to this degree?
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Doom_Art
04/15/17 1:41:48 AM
#57:


Also dayum it's a bit pathetic how good Mal has gotten at these mental gymnastics.
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Doom_Art
04/15/17 1:51:57 AM
#58:


I mean yes, if your argument is "The Democrats created bad policy" then that's fair

Yet why is then nothing being done to fix it by the current President supported by two majorities in Congress?

If the argument we're supposed to buy into for Trump and the GOP is "They can fix healthcare, and make the system better." then alright, why these sorts of games then? Why do they need the Dems onboard? Why are they unable to fix the problem with the large amounts of power they've been given?
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Mal_Fet
04/15/17 1:53:29 AM
#59:


Doom_Art posted...
I mean yes, if your argument is "The Democrats created bad policy" then that's fair

Who's fault is it that it was implemented in such a shoddy form
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Doom_Art
04/15/17 1:54:19 AM
#60:


Mal_Fet posted...
Who's fault is it that it was implemented in such a shoddy form

Remind me Mal, which party is currently in power?
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Darkman124
04/15/17 1:56:14 AM
#61:


Mal_Fet posted...
Doom_Art posted...
I mean yes, if your argument is "The Democrats created bad policy" then that's fair

Who's fault is it that it was implemented in such a shoddy form


i actually understand your point here--the subsidies were maintained on the basis of an appeal of an existing ruling. it's fairly likely that higher courts would also rule against. and one place we can agree is that while obamacare had good intentions, writing it as something other than a public option pretty much guaranteed it would be broken.

but from a political perspective it's about the dumbest move they can make. the public won't understand any of that. they'll understand "trump took my insurance away" and that's all they will understand.

trump would be well-advised to allow the appeal to stand and let a court rule against it.
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Mal_Fet
04/15/17 8:29:45 AM
#62:


Darkman124 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Doom_Art posted...
I mean yes, if your argument is "The Democrats created bad policy" then that's fair

Who's fault is it that it was implemented in such a shoddy form


i actually understand your point here--the subsidies were maintained on the basis of an appeal of an existing ruling. it's fairly likely that higher courts would also rule against. and one place we can agree is that while obamacare had good intentions, writing it as something other than a public option pretty much guaranteed it would be broken.

but from a political perspective it's about the dumbest move they can make. the public won't understand any of that. they'll understand "trump took my insurance away" and that's all they will understand.

trump would be well-advised to allow the appeal to stand and let a court rule against it.

So it's Trump's fault because people are too dumb to realize that he had nothing to do with it?

@Doom_Art

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Zero_Destroyer
04/15/17 8:41:40 AM
#63:


Mal_Fet posted...

Democrats made a policy in which they demanded to be shot in the head and now they want to blame Republicans for it


Even if we agree the ACA is bad, it's a subjective policy discussion being upended by somebody who has decided to hold people's healthcare hostage over political squabbles in an attempt to make himself look good. The majority of people like the ACA now and Trump is doing nothing beneficial for himself.

I also like how you're still blaming Dems for shit when Trump has a Republican majority that can basically do whatever it wants. Republicans control the House, Senate, and Presidency. Why can they not repeal ObamaCare despite years of promise to do so? Where's the action? Why are Trump and his sycophants blaming "muh democrats" when their existence is irrelevant to this issue by the sheer numbers Republicans have?

It's not even relevant that Democrats passed it at this point because they don't have the ability to stop it from being tanked as long as the Republican party - which bitched and moaned for seven years about the ACA - comes up with an agreeable replacement.
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Twinmold
04/15/17 8:51:33 AM
#64:


Ignorant conservatives treat politics like they're rooting for their hometown sports team. It's a shame, but it's their lack of intelligence and underlying bigotry that makes them this way.
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Zero_Destroyer
04/15/17 8:52:29 AM
#65:


Frankly, though, this plan is a little silly. Trump will just piss of the base that likes the ACA doing this and they'll blame him for it since Trump's plan to try and replace the existing bill that people now support after the healthcare squabble scared everybody.

It's a clusterfuck. If Democrats bend on the issue and ACA gets replaced, people still aren't happy since the ACA has public support now and a bunch of people would lose their health insurance. But this relies on Dems tanking their own bill and relies on Trump seriously doing this for an extended period of time.

The most likely outcome of this if Trump does it is everybody's numbers plummet because nobody would come out looking good no matter what.
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Doom_Art
04/15/17 8:53:46 AM
#66:


Zero_Destroyer posted...
The most likely outcome of this if Trump does it is everybody's numbers plummet because nobody would come out looking good no matter what.

I think that may be his goal tbh

Dude's already unpopular, may as well take everyone down with him
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Zero_Destroyer
04/15/17 8:54:16 AM
#67:


http://www.gallup.com/poll/207671/affordable-care-act-gains-majority-approval-first-time.aspx

Reminder on the fact that this has a support margin of 13% from a polling firm that historically slanted in favor of Republicans by 2-4%. I fully expect non-arguments in response to this or references to the 2016 election's polling even though Gallup didn't participate in that one. Of course, you'd only fall back on that if you had no argument, get triggered by reality, and don't understand that even the shittiest polling firms in 2016 never threw out polls with 10%+ MoEs.
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Zero_Destroyer
04/15/17 9:13:41 AM
#69:


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If you elect me in 2020 I'll build a wall around this guy's house

We got 3 1/2 years to fix the poisoned liberal movement of the last 4-5. First step is to chastise people like this until they leave and create some radical leftist movement everybody can laugh at.
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ColdRainAndSnow
04/15/17 9:18:29 AM
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A lot of these poor people, elderly people, veterans are the ones who voted for Trump too.
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Doom_Art
04/15/17 9:26:17 AM
#71:


Lonestar2000 posted...


Eh, that's a bit far. I will say that he's unique amongst Republicans in that I can't trick myself into thinking he's a good guy.

Most GOP Presidents or prominent politicians I can think of I can make excuses for policies or behavior that I don't personally agree with.

Trump is different. I can't find a way to justify the way he acts, or what he says or does.

The guy is just a scumbag.
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tremain07
04/15/17 10:04:39 AM
#72:


A scumbag whose making money every weekend by forcing people into his ratbox resort.
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PoopMcgee420
04/15/17 10:05:44 AM
#73:


Good..as he should
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PoopMcgee420
04/15/17 10:10:19 AM
#74:


Miz_iZ_AwSOme_X posted...
Americans voted him don't be surprised if he gets another term.


He will easily.

Democratic party is a joke now and modern day liberals are a fucking lazy joke thus why they didnt come out last election.

Literally gonna have Trump for 8 years. Get your tears out now kids.
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Doom_Art
04/15/17 10:11:51 AM
#75:


PoopMcgee420 posted...
He will easily.

I mean let's not assume the guy who lost the popular vote and currently has an approval rating that's hovered consistently in the 30's is unbeatable.
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Lonestar2000
04/15/17 10:12:19 AM
#76:


PoopMcgee420 posted...
Miz_iZ_AwSOme_X posted...
Americans voted him don't be surprised if he gets another term.


He will easily.

Democratic party is a joke now and modern day liberals are a fucking lazy joke thus why they didnt come out last election.

Literally gonna have Trump for 8 years. Get your tears out now kids.

LOL if you think Trump is getting reelected.
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PoopMcgee420
04/15/17 10:12:45 AM
#77:


TheVipaGTS posted...
Iodine posted...
PyroBlade1985 posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
And his supporters are still acting like he's the second coming because he killed 36 ISIS guys with a MOAB.

Right, @The_Admiral, @Gojak_v3, @MARKINGRAM22, @Whoeverthefuckelsestillsupportsthisdumbassforsomereason

And Obama supporters NEVER did that?

What does Obama have to do with this topic?

He can't think for himself and just plays the "your team did it too! Now me team is in charge and I won't challenge them at all!" Card.


@TheVipaGTS sorry people point out that youre a fucking hypocritical sheep and that it hurts your feelings.
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PoopMcgee420
04/15/17 10:13:56 AM
#78:


Lonestar2000 posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Miz_iZ_AwSOme_X posted...
Americans voted him don't be surprised if he gets another term.


He will easily.

Democratic party is a joke now and modern day liberals are a fucking lazy joke thus why they didnt come out last election.

Literally gonna have Trump for 8 years. Get your tears out now kids.

LOL if you think Trump is getting reelected.


Pretty sure your sensitive self said "lol if you think trump is getting elected"

Yet here we are.
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PoopMcgee420
04/15/17 10:14:52 AM
#79:


Doom_Art posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
He will easily.

I mean let's not assume the guy who lost the popular vote and currently has an approval rating that's hovered consistently in the 30's is unbeatable.


His opposition is still the lazy Democratic party? Yeah he serve 2 terms...easily
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Lonestar2000
04/15/17 10:15:53 AM
#80:


PoopMcgee420 posted...
Lonestar2000 posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Miz_iZ_AwSOme_X posted...
Americans voted him don't be surprised if he gets another term.


He will easily.

Democratic party is a joke now and modern day liberals are a fucking lazy joke thus why they didnt come out last election.

Literally gonna have Trump for 8 years. Get your tears out now kids.

LOL if you think Trump is getting reelected.


Pretty sure your sensitive self said "lol if you think trump is getting elected"

Yet here we are.

I didn't, but nice deflection there.
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Doom_Art
04/15/17 10:17:03 AM
#81:


PoopMcgee420 posted...
His opposition is still the lazy Democratic party? Yeah he serve 2 terms...easily

Well I mean in that same note, it's foolish to expect the Dems in 4 years are going to be copies of the Dems in 2016.
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PoopMcgee420
04/15/17 10:19:08 AM
#82:


Lonestar2000 posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Lonestar2000 posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Miz_iZ_AwSOme_X posted...
Americans voted him don't be surprised if he gets another term.


He will easily.

Democratic party is a joke now and modern day liberals are a fucking lazy joke thus why they didnt come out last election.

Literally gonna have Trump for 8 years. Get your tears out now kids.

LOL if you think Trump is getting reelected.


Pretty sure your sensitive self said "lol if you think trump is getting elected"

Yet here we are.

I didn't, but nice deflection there.


Lmfao this fucking kid literally thinks he used "nice deflection" properly Lmfao
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PoopMcgee420
04/15/17 10:20:03 AM
#83:


Doom_Art posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
His opposition is still the lazy Democratic party? Yeah he serve 2 terms...easily

Well I mean in that same note, it's foolish to expect the Dems in 4 years are going to be copies of the Dems in 2016.


No its not they literally never change and havent changed since the election...they only gotten worse.
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Ampelas
04/15/17 10:23:42 AM
#84:


PoopMcgee420 posted...
Lonestar2000 posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Miz_iZ_AwSOme_X posted...
Americans voted him don't be surprised if he gets another term.


He will easily.

Democratic party is a joke now and modern day liberals are a fucking lazy joke thus why they didnt come out last election.

Literally gonna have Trump for 8 years. Get your tears out now kids.

LOL if you think Trump is getting reelected.


Pretty sure your sensitive self said "lol if you think trump is getting elected"

Yet here we are.

See, that was when the rational people thought Trump would be a shitty president, yet had no real proof. Now, all but the most boneheaded Trumpanzees can see clearly he's an incompetent piece of shit. He's not getting reelected unless the Democrats are stupid enough to put up Clinton again.
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PoopMcgee420
04/15/17 10:26:31 AM
#85:


Ampelas posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Lonestar2000 posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Miz_iZ_AwSOme_X posted...
Americans voted him don't be surprised if he gets another term.


He will easily.

Democratic party is a joke now and modern day liberals are a fucking lazy joke thus why they didnt come out last election.

Literally gonna have Trump for 8 years. Get your tears out now kids.

LOL if you think Trump is getting reelected.


Pretty sure your sensitive self said "lol if you think trump is getting elected"

Yet here we are.

See, that was when the rational people thought Trump would be a shitty president, yet had no real proof. Now, all but the most boneheaded Trumpanzees can see clearly he's an incompetent piece of shit. He's not getting reelected unless the Democrats are stupid enough to put up Clinton again.


Obama and Bush were reelected
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Doom_Art
04/15/17 10:27:36 AM
#86:


PoopMcgee420 posted...
No its not they literally never change

In it's nearly 200 year existence the party has never changed? Alright then

PoopMcgee420 posted...
and havent changed since the election...they only gotten worse.

The election was half a year ago, and the party just only elected a new chair like a month ago.

I'd wait another year or two before I start throwing rocks.

Ampelas posted...
See, that was when the rational people thought Trump would be a shitty president, yet had no real proof. Now, all but the most boneheaded Trumpanzees can see clearly he's an incompetent piece of shit

I've said it repeatedly. It's easy to run as anti-establishment and fling mud around like "Washington is broken and our leaders are corrupt" when you're not involved with the government at all. It's kinda hard to do that when you're the guy in charge.
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Ampelas
04/15/17 10:30:26 AM
#87:


PoopMcgee420 posted...
Ampelas posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Lonestar2000 posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Miz_iZ_AwSOme_X posted...
Americans voted him don't be surprised if he gets another term.


He will easily.

Democratic party is a joke now and modern day liberals are a fucking lazy joke thus why they didnt come out last election.

Literally gonna have Trump for 8 years. Get your tears out now kids.

LOL if you think Trump is getting reelected.


Pretty sure your sensitive self said "lol if you think trump is getting elected"

Yet here we are.

See, that was when the rational people thought Trump would be a shitty president, yet had no real proof. Now, all but the most boneheaded Trumpanzees can see clearly he's an incompetent piece of shit. He's not getting reelected unless the Democrats are stupid enough to put up Clinton again.


Obama and Bush were reelected

Obama and Bush weren't nearly as incompetent as Donnie
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PoopMcgee420
04/15/17 10:32:14 AM
#88:


Idk why im wasting my time with @Doom_Art kid was stomping his feet for 16 months how trump wont win....since he won Doom has been on an epic in denial meltdown mode.

The modern day liberal is lazy. Theyre not voting.
The modern day Democratic party is broken and divided and show no sign of positive change.


Enjoy 2 terms of Trump
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PoopMcgee420
04/15/17 10:32:51 AM
#89:


Ampelas posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Ampelas posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Lonestar2000 posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Miz_iZ_AwSOme_X posted...
Americans voted him don't be surprised if he gets another term.


He will easily.

Democratic party is a joke now and modern day liberals are a fucking lazy joke thus why they didnt come out last election.

Literally gonna have Trump for 8 years. Get your tears out now kids.

LOL if you think Trump is getting reelected.


Pretty sure your sensitive self said "lol if you think trump is getting elected"

Yet here we are.

See, that was when the rational people thought Trump would be a shitty president, yet had no real proof. Now, all but the most boneheaded Trumpanzees can see clearly he's an incompetent piece of shit. He's not getting reelected unless the Democrats are stupid enough to put up Clinton again.


Obama and Bush were reelected

Obama and Bush weren't nearly as incompetent as Donnie


Lmfao ahahahahahhahahahahahhahaa lmao


God thats rich. Enjoy 2 terms man.
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Doom_Art
04/15/17 10:35:43 AM
#90:


PoopMcgee420 posted...
stomping his feet

Trying to have a reasoned discussion with you man but you're the one stomping your feet here and defaulting to "liberals lazy, Dems broken, enjoy 2 terms" whenever someone makes a point against you.
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tremain07
04/15/17 10:36:09 AM
#91:


I really want the world to be destroyed.
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Ampelas
04/15/17 10:37:47 AM
#92:


PoopMcgee420 posted...
Lmfao ahahahahahhahahahahahhahaa lmao


God thats rich. Enjoy 2 terms man.

Oh please... Bush rallied our country around the biggest terrorist attack on American soil. Obama pulled us out of a massive recession/crash. Trump has shitposted on Twitter, failed to pass multiple things despite having a fully Red federal government, and pissed off half the world
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PoopMcgee420
04/15/17 10:56:13 AM
#93:


Ampelas posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Lmfao ahahahahahhahahahahahhahaa lmao


God thats rich. Enjoy 2 terms man.

Oh please... Bush rallied our country around the biggest terrorist attack on American soil. Obama pulled us out of a massive recession/crash. Trump has shitposted on Twitter, failed to pass multiple things despite having a fully Red federal government, and pissed off half the world


Lmfao people say the dumbest shit.

Doom_Art posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
stomping his feet

Trying to have a reasoned discussion with you man but you're the one stomping your feet here and defaulting to "liberals lazy, Dems broken, enjoy 2 terms" whenever someone makes a point against you.


Except i had 14 months of conversations with you and youre just a trump hater. Trump could literally solve cancer and you will bitch
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Ampelas
04/15/17 10:59:19 AM
#94:


PoopMcgee420 posted...
Lmfao people say the dumbest shit.

That's your rebuttal?
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PoopMcgee420
04/15/17 11:00:09 AM
#95:


Ampelas posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Lmfao people say the dumbest shit.

That's your rebuttal?


You made up shit.
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coolboy11
04/15/17 11:01:50 AM
#96:


it's ok guys he isn't PC and will protect us from those big scary diverse communists of the Democratic party, damn incoherent policy and poor political understanding stopping Liberals trumps (no pun intended) basic social nets.
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Ampelas
04/15/17 11:02:20 AM
#97:


PoopMcgee420 posted...
Ampelas posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Lmfao people say the dumbest shit.

That's your rebuttal?


You made up shit.

Like?
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PoopMcgee420
04/15/17 11:03:35 AM
#98:


Ampelas posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Ampelas posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Lmfao people say the dumbest shit.

That's your rebuttal?


You made up shit.

Like?


Everything you said from Obama onward. Anyone that thinks Obama helped the economy is a lost soul.
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Ampelas
04/15/17 11:47:59 AM
#99:


PoopMcgee420 posted...
Ampelas posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Ampelas posted...
PoopMcgee420 posted...
Lmfao people say the dumbest shit.

That's your rebuttal?


You made up shit.

Like?


Everything you said from Obama onward. Anyone that thinks Obama helped the economy is a lost soul.

I'd argue the opposite.
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Returning_CEmen
04/15/17 11:51:49 AM
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Why would Trump reveal his plan to his many enemies?
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PoopMcgee420
04/15/17 12:08:21 PM
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Lmfao people say the dumbest shit.

That's your rebuttal?


You made up shit.

Like?


Everything you said from Obama onward. Anyone that thinks Obama helped the economy is a lost soul.

I'd argue the opposite.


Exactly why i didnt waste my time with you. Lol imagine arguing against facts.
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