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StealThisSheen
04/11/17 9:58:37 PM
#351:


I very much like the camera switching because sometimes you get some really great angles
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SmartMuffin
04/11/17 9:58:49 PM
#352:


Walton Goggins literally wore a fake swastika tattoo around LA for weeks in his preparation to play Boyd Crowder
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Panthera
04/11/17 10:00:15 PM
#353:


StealThisSheen posted...
Panthera posted...
Playing a weird character in real life just for practice is just dumb in general. Should Kevin Owens do the same thing? Whenever he goes to a restaurant he needs to yell and scream at the waiters for not prioritizing him over everyone else? Should Miz impersonate his neighbors to try and make them look bad in public? Should Charlotte run around discussing her genetic superiority?


This is a super common thing in acting


Okay? So if other people are stupid, being stupid stops being stupid?

Running around real life antagonizing people because you don't know how to do your job without being an asshole isn't a good thing
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StealThisSheen
04/11/17 10:01:05 PM
#354:


Panthera posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Panthera posted...
Playing a weird character in real life just for practice is just dumb in general. Should Kevin Owens do the same thing? Whenever he goes to a restaurant he needs to yell and scream at the waiters for not prioritizing him over everyone else? Should Miz impersonate his neighbors to try and make them look bad in public? Should Charlotte run around discussing her genetic superiority?


This is a super common thing in acting


Okay? So if other people are stupid, being stupid stops being stupid?

Running around real life antagonizing people because you don't know how to do your job without being an asshole isn't a good thing


Where did it suggest he was running around antagonizing anyone?

Do you think it's impossible to play a character without antagonizing people?
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Jakyl25
04/11/17 10:03:02 PM
#355:


Yeah, like, Kevin Owens doesn't tend to seek out confrontation that doesn't benefit him
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Mega Mana
04/11/17 10:04:37 PM
#356:


The Miz & Maryse, Alexa Bliss, Dean Ambrose, Heath Slater, Rhyno, Bray Wyatt, Kalisto, Mickie James, Apollo Crews, Curt Hawkins

vs.

Rusev & Lana, Kevin Owens/Y2J, Sami Zayn, New Day, Charlotte, Tamina, Sin Cara, Jinder Mahal, Primo & Epico

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...Oof. I really don't want to have to start watching RAW, but I really might have to.
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Panthera
04/11/17 10:07:49 PM
#357:


StealThisSheen posted...

Where did it suggest he was running around antagonizing anyone?

Do you think it's impossible to play a character without antagonizing people?


A) I used examples of antagonistic characters for a reason

B) In the case of Bray in particular, if he's not acting in a way that is going to be very creepy and disturbing to those around him, then he's not even playing the character. Meeting a real life Bray Wyatt would make you worried the guy is mentally unstable and dangerous.

C) Which leads to the fact that if you're not playing the part of your character that would involve antagonizing people, you're not really playing that character because what's leftover is just being a generic person. Does Kevin Owens really need to practice being himself when that's what his gimmick is when the part about him being a scumbag is taken away?
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Jakyl25
04/11/17 10:09:44 PM
#358:


Creepy and disturbing is not the same as antagonizing though
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TheRock1525
04/11/17 10:10:06 PM
#359:


Jakyl25 posted...
Jesus Christ, Nakamura is over


"but but but but his introduction was so bad!"
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scarletspeed7
04/11/17 10:12:18 PM
#360:


All I wanted before the Shake-Up is for AJ to stay, and that's what I got.
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Panthera
04/11/17 10:13:05 PM
#361:


Jakyl25 posted...
Creepy and disturbing is not the same as antagonizing though


If I encountered a person acting like Kevin Owens and a person acting like Bray Wyatt, the Wyatt one would be by FAR the one I'd be more worried about actually attacking me. There is no way to play that character the way its seen on TV without being antagonistic, especially given how much of his persona revolves around threatening people in "spooky" ways, unless he just stands up on a soap box and preaches.
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StealThisSheen
04/11/17 10:14:30 PM
#362:


That's still not "antagonizing"
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Jakyl25
04/11/17 10:15:31 PM
#363:


Charles Manson was a real person, the sort of irresistably charismatic person Bray is based on, yet he managed to go through society as himself for a long time without freaking out randos
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FFDragon
04/11/17 10:16:25 PM
#364:


method acting has produced some of the best characters ever

there is no problem with it tbqh
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Lopen
04/11/17 10:18:04 PM
#365:


His introduction was bad and I'd still bet good money he isn't as over with audiences as he should be.
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Panthera
04/11/17 10:18:55 PM
#366:


Jakyl25 posted...
Charles Manson was a real person, the sort of irresistably charismatic person Bray is based on, yet he managed to go through society as himself for a long time without freaking out randos


Guys like that get through society because they don't act like the kind of psychos they really are. If Bray Wyatt is just acting like a normal dude what character is he even playing?
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StealThisSheen
04/11/17 10:19:12 PM
#367:


Lopen posted...
His introduction was bad and I'd still bet good money he isn't as over with audiences as he should be.


Did you see tonight
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Lopen
04/11/17 10:20:03 PM
#368:


Yes. Tonight's segment was better but the audience reacting doesn't really gauge how over he is with the viewing audience.
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Jakyl25
04/11/17 10:20:32 PM
#369:


Panthera posted...
Guys like that get through society because they don't act like the kind of psychos they really are.


That's not how cult leaders work
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StealThisSheen
04/11/17 10:20:32 PM
#370:


Panthera posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Charles Manson was a real person, the sort of irresistably charismatic person Bray is based on, yet he managed to go through society as himself for a long time without freaking out randos


Guys like that get through society because they don't act like the kind of psychos they really are. If Bray Wyatt is just acting like a normal dude what character is he even playing?


It seems like you don't know the Bray Wyatt character very well

He's only super creepy and disturbing when he WANTS to mess with somebody. Otherwise he's just a Manson-esque charismatic person that uses his presence to draw people into a cult
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Eddv
04/11/17 10:20:55 PM
#371:


Ugh Nakamura.

I may just stop watching smackdown weeks cena isnt advertised.
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Wanglicious
04/11/17 10:22:24 PM
#372:


this new TJP is so much better already.
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StealThisSheen
04/11/17 10:22:58 PM
#373:


Lopen posted...
Yes. Tonight's segment was better but the audience reacting doesn't really gauge how over he is with the viewing audience.


...Since when did we stop gauging by crowd reaction and start going "But we don't know if he's connecting with people watching TV!"

That argument was never raised when anybody else's overness was debated, like Cesaro!
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Jakyl25
04/11/17 10:23:07 PM
#374:


Wanglicious posted...
this new TJP is so much better already.


But then he said "playing Neville's advocate."
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TheRock1525
04/11/17 10:23:38 PM
#375:


What music did he come out to?

This is super important!
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Lopen
04/11/17 10:23:55 PM
#376:


Yeah Miz and Cena leaving was a huge blow for SD. I can't say this was the worst SD Live ever but it's down there.
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StealThisSheen
04/11/17 10:23:58 PM
#377:


Wanglicious posted...
this new TJP is so much better already.


I really hope his gig is referring to people via insulting puns
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Panthera
04/11/17 10:25:39 PM
#378:


StealThisSheen posted...
Panthera posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Charles Manson was a real person, the sort of irresistably charismatic person Bray is based on, yet he managed to go through society as himself for a long time without freaking out randos


Guys like that get through society because they don't act like the kind of psychos they really are. If Bray Wyatt is just acting like a normal dude what character is he even playing?


It seems like you don't know the Bray Wyatt character very well

He's only super creepy and disturbing when he WANTS to mess with somebody. Otherwise he's just a Manson-esque charismatic person that uses his presence to draw people into a cult


Oh I must have gotten confused by the fact that the actual on-air character he plays is exclusively in creepy-mode
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Lopen
04/11/17 10:25:44 PM
#379:


StealThisSheen posted...
Lopen posted...
Yes. Tonight's segment was better but the audience reacting doesn't really gauge how over he is with the viewing audience.


...Since when did we stop gauging by crowd reaction and start going "But we don't know if he's connecting with people watching TV!"

That argument was never raised when anybody else's overness was debated, like Cesaro!


It was raised last week when Nakamura got the reaction he did and the casual watchers I know had reactions like 'is he drunk what's his deal' and 'that segment was too long.'
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TheRock1525
04/11/17 10:26:01 PM
#380:


Lopen posted...
Yeah Miz and Cena leaving was a huge blow for SD. I can't say this was the worst SD Live ever but it's down there.


Cena left Smackdown?
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Lopen
04/11/17 10:26:43 PM
#381:


I mean Cena'll be back presumably but he's doing a movie for 6 months or something right
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TheRock1525
04/11/17 10:27:10 PM
#382:


I got nothing but positive reactions from casuals about Nakamura last week.

Hooray for anecdotal evidence!
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Jakyl25
04/11/17 10:27:30 PM
#383:


TheRock1525 posted...
What music did he come out to?

This is super important!


Hasn't come out yet

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Lopen
04/11/17 10:27:55 PM
#384:


What did they cite about his character that resonated with them I'm actually curious
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TheRock1525
04/11/17 10:28:29 PM
#385:


They said his entrance was pretty cool.
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Lopen
04/11/17 10:29:35 PM
#386:


Then again you just called yourself not an NXT guy I don't know what your definition of a casual watcher even is
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TheRock1525
04/11/17 10:30:57 PM
#387:


Someone who I tried to convince to go to Wrestlemania with me but didn't, even though we both live close to Orlando. And she doesn't know any NXT wrestlers.
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Lopen
04/11/17 10:32:43 PM
#388:


TheRock1525 posted...
And she doesn't know any NXT wrestlers.


Good enough I guess.

Still have my doubts. And I definitely think crowd reaction on NXT guys isn't worth anything anymore unless you guys really think Tye Dillinger is one of the most over guys on the roster
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StealThisSheen
04/11/17 10:33:11 PM
#389:


I mean, we're past the post-WM crowds, here

So if you're saying that casuals don't like him, then apparently these "casuals" don't go to shows because the crowd was 99.99999% hype, so... Why would what they think matter?
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Jakyl25
04/11/17 10:33:38 PM
#390:


Lopen posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
And she doesn't know any NXT wrestlers.


Good enough I guess.

Still have my doubts. And I definitely think crowd reaction on NXT guys isn't worth anything anymore unless you guys really think Tye Dillinger is one of the most over guys on the roster


"10" is at least
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TheRock1525
04/11/17 10:34:05 PM
#391:


I'm still boycotting Smackdown so long as they keep JBL though so I guess it really doesn't matter to me anymore.
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Lopen
04/11/17 10:35:10 PM
#392:


I guess we can use Tye's "10" as an argument that Daniel Bryan wasn't that over if we can't use it as a "NXT Reactions mean nothing" so it's really win-win.
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Jakyl25
04/11/17 10:36:38 PM
#393:


Still "Playing With Power" Rock
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StealThisSheen
04/11/17 10:36:56 PM
#394:


Lopen posted...
I guess we can use Tye's "10" as an argument that Daniel Bryan wasn't that over if we can't use it as a "NXT Reactions mean nothing" so it's really win-win.


I've been arguing that "Yes" was bigger than Bryan for awhile, so... Works for me!
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TheRock1525
04/11/17 10:36:59 PM
#395:


Same music.
Same entrance.

But now it's douchey-ier. Somehow. >_>
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StealThisSheen
04/11/17 10:38:53 PM
#396:


TheRock1525 posted...
Same music.
Same entrance.

But now it's douchey-ier. Somehow. >_>


To be fair, it was always pretty douchey

It just worked because his swagger was endearing as a face
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TheRock1525
04/11/17 10:39:00 PM
#397:


Jakyl25 posted...
Still "Playing With Power" Rock


I lost "Patriot" when Swagger was released and DREW MAC isn't coming back with "Broken Dreams" so god dammit you better leave me something, WWE.
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Jakyl25
04/11/17 10:40:26 PM
#398:


But we got "Medal" back!
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TheRock1525
04/11/17 10:40:31 PM
#399:


StealThisSheen posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Same music.
Same entrance.

But now it's douchey-ier. Somehow. >_>


To be fair, it was always pretty douchey

It just worked because his swagger was endearing as a face


That's kinda my point. TJP had all these douchey elements so it's like... how could he get douchey-ier?

Somehow he has.
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TheRock1525
04/11/17 10:41:48 PM
#400:


Jakyl25 posted...
But we got "Medal" back!


I ain't gonna lie.

Medal's good. But like not super awesome to me.
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