Current Events > Imagine being a vegan that's pro choice.

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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

that shit is now immortalized

#shitCEsays
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if you're pro-choice it generally means you value a woman's control over her own reproduction more than you value the life of a foetus. That has literally nothing to with veganism
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RebelElite791 posted...

50 billion+ animals are tortured and killed every year for human pleasure, which also contributes massively to global warming.

Billions of animals are also "tortured and killed" every year for other animals' pleasure. And eating meat doesn't contribute that much to global warming. The biggest contributors to global warming are the massive shipping vessels we use to transport goods across the ocean. Eliminating the pollution from those would reduce most of the pollution we put out.
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RebelElite791 posted...

50 billion+ animals are tortured and killed every year for human pleasure, which also contributes massively to global warming.

Billions of animals are also "tortured and killed" every year for other animals' pleasure. And eating meat doesn't contribute that much to global warming. The biggest contributors to global warming are the massive shipping vessels we use to transport goods across the ocean. Eliminating the pollution from those would reduce most of the pollution we put out.

@RebelElite791
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RebelElite791 posted...

50 billion+ animals are tortured and killed every year for human pleasure, which also contributes massively to global warming.

Billions of animals are also "tortured and killed" every year for other animals' pleasure. And eating meat doesn't contribute that much to global warming. The biggest contributors to global warming are the massive shipping vessels we use to transport goods across the ocean. Eliminating the pollution from those would reduce most of the pollution we put out.

@RebelElite791

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Silver_Reaper posted...

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Lightsasori posted...

Drasilor posted...

Imagine being a vegan

I'd rather not.

chill02 posted...

imagine being vegy

This is somehow worse though.

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RockRapDubstep posted...

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RebelElite791 posted...

50 billion+ animals are tortured and killed every year for human pleasure, which also contributes massively to global warming.

Billions of animals are also "tortured and killed" every year for other animals' pleasure. And eating meat doesn't contribute that much to global warming. The biggest contributors to global warming are the massive shipping vessels we use to transport goods across the ocean. Eliminating the pollution from those would reduce most of the pollution we put out.

@RebelElite791

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I don't care about Proudclad in vegan topics because he shows nothing but willful ignorance every time.

Other animals that are obligate carnivores or omnivores need meat to eat. They don't do it for sheer pleasure alone like humans do. Irrelevant argument.
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I don't care about Proudclad in vegan topics because he shows nothing but willful ignorance every time.

You "don't care" because you got spanked in previous vegan topics.

Other animals that are obligate carnivores or omnivores need meat to eat. They don't do it for sheer pleasure alone like humans do. Irrelevant argument.

Humans kill barely any animals in comparison with what happens in wild natural itself. It's a drop in the bucket, and some species only continue to exist today because they're used by humans as a source of food. That's not a moral problem, though. If killing animals for consumption was immoral, I don't see why it'd make a difference whether or not it was done by an "obligate" carnivore or omnivore. If some humans needed to eat other humans in order to survive, we wouldn't say that's morally okay.

In any case, the best way to dispel religion is evidence!

http://www.jssm.org/vol3/n3/2/v3n3-2pdf.pdf

"Animal sources provide a complete source of protein (i.e. containing all essential amino acids), whereas
vegetable sources generally lack one or more of the essential amino acids."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19678968

"Thus, a vegetarian diet is associated with a lower muscle mass index than is an omnivorous diet at the same protein intake. A good indicator of muscle mass index in women seems to be animal protein intake."

http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/17657359

" Our results suggest that protein intake, especially from animal sources, may be associated with a better preservation of MMI. However, more research is needed to confirm our results."

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/69/1/147.short

"Intake of dietary protein, especially from animal sources, may be associated with a reduced incidence of hip fractures in postmenopausal women."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21102327

"Recent epidemiological, isotopic and meta-analysis studies suggest that dietary protein works synergistically with calcium to improve calcium retention and bone metabolism. The recommendation to intentionally restrict dietary protein to improve bone health is unwarranted, and potentially even dangerous to those individuals who consume inadequate protein."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16373952

"Dietary proteins also enhance IGF-1, a factor that exerts positive activity on skeletal development and bone formation. Consequently, dietary proteins are as essential as calcium and vitamin D for bone health and osteoporosis prevention. Furthermore, there is no consistent evidence for superiority of vegetal over animal proteins on calcium metabolism, bone loss prevention and risk reduction of fragility fractures."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20479151

"Consumption of processed meats, but not red meats, is associated with higher incidence of CHD and diabetes mellitus. These results highlight the need for better understanding of potential mechanisms of effects and for particular focus on processed meats for dietary and policy recommendations."

Creatine is necessary, and people who consume less/no animal products get less of it. Sources follow:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/influence-of-creatine-supplementation-on-the-cognitive-functioning-of-vegetarians-and-omnivores/E2D37729902DDFA6CFC85767AD0421FC

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14600563

Carnosine is necessary and comes only from animal foods. Sources follow:

http://www.pnas.org/content/85/9/3175
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15872311
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10951108
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Human bodies aren't good at breaking down plant variants of omega-3, of which DHA and EPA are the active forms that we obtain primarily from animal foods.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9637947
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18305382
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11083485

Vegetarians/vegans lack vital nutrients

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12816782

"Vegan subjects and, to a lesser degree, subjects in the LV-LOV group had metabolic features indicating vitamin B-12 deficiency that led to a substantial increase in total homocysteine concentrations. Vitamin B-12 status should be monitored in vegetarians. Health aspects of vegetarianism should be considered in the light of possible damaging effects arising from vitamin B-12 deficiency and hyperhomocysteinemia."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2801586
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2801576
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6897159

Consequences of these deficiencies include weakness, fatigue, impaired brain function, neurological / psychiatric disorders, anemia, alzheimer's, and possible heart disease.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21671542
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21947532
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24352086
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8990052
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25195560
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16988104

And there's many other examples of nutrients that are found only in animal foods, or that are processed much easier and cleaner when they come from animal foods.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19475341
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The only way meat is "optional" for humans is if you're fine with a deficient diet, or if you radically supplement your diet with all kinds of pills and supplements in order to get everything the body needs. In other words, your nutritional intake becomes much more prohibitive and expensive, and there is still a risk of being deficient in multiple areas.

Humans evolved as omnivores. Eating meat is probably why we evolved large and powerful brains. Without meat, humans might've never evolved beyond primitive stages or developed successful civilizations.

Most people don't have the funding or information necessary to maintain the type of expensive vegan diet that would make meat obsolete. That's the first major reason why veganism is a stupid religion. The second major reason is that...the universe does not care how many chickens die. It literally makes no difference. To make easy and sustainable food sources an issue about morality is stupid because it isn't an issue about morality, unless you're talking about situations where humans are at risk due to the conditions in which some animals are raised. (Diseased environments, full of antibiotics and hormones for forced growth, etc)
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Oh btw veganism is cheaper than eating meat. There's a reason meat is a luxury in many poor countries.
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Asherlee10 posted...

3 cheers for lab-grown meat!

We'll need to wait until there's 20+ years of consumption before we know whether or not it's safe. On paper it sounds like a miracle, but can't know for sure until people have had a chance to use it for a long time.

I hope I live long enough to see automated food supply chains though. Run on completely renewable energy.
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RebelElite791 posted...

Oh btw veganism is cheaper than eating meat. There's a reason meat is a luxury in many poor countries.

This is literally the only rebuttal you could come up with? Guess I spanked you too hard. I heard rubbing raw spinach on sore ass cheeks alleviates the pain.
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Logos posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Oh btw veganism is cheaper than eating meat. There's a reason meat is a luxury in many poor countries.

This is literally the only rebuttal you could come up with? Guess I spanked you too hard. I heard rubbing raw spinach on sore ass checks alleviates the pain.

No, I'm just busy playing WoW and don't care to respond to your pasty-ass's meltdown.
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RebelElite791 posted...

Logos posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Oh btw veganism is cheaper than eating meat. There's a reason meat is a luxury in many poor countries.

This is literally the only rebuttal you could come up with? Guess I spanked you too hard. I heard rubbing raw spinach on sore ass checks alleviates the pain.

No, I'm just busy playing WoW and don't care to respond to your pasty-ass's meltdown.

Except you're literally responding with passive aggressive diatribes. Just admit that your religion isn't as thought through as you'd like to think it is. If it was you'd have something of value to respond with.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Logos posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

3 cheers for lab-grown meat!

We'll need to wait until there's 20+ years of consumption before we know whether or not it's safe. On paper it sounds like a miracle, but can't know for sure until people have had a chance to use it for a long time.

I hope I live long enough to see automated food supply chains though. Run on completely renewable energy.

I think we will experience the opposite: "Although biotechnology may make it harder to define new food products, it could also facilitate more precise safety measures, DuPont’s Sewalt says. For instance, he says that as genome sequencing becomes faster, so could the process of figuring out whether gene insertions or deletions in new organisms pose health risks or other concerns. There’s also the possibility of explicitly designing in safety, such as by engineering egg white proteins so they don’t trigger allergic reactions. And, in the future, the potential to insert barcodes in genes and the development of in-line ID kits, that recognize specific strains of cell lines, could make it easier to verify new organisms and their protein products, and track products through supply chains."

That won't happen because RebelElite is a stalwart defender of the chicken egg. Doing that would be genetically raping the chicken egg, all for sick human pleasure.
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No, I'm a defender of not grinding up thousands/millions of baby chickens each day because they aren't the right sex.
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You've already demonstrated that you're incapable of defending your religion. I suggest that you don't insist on following up with diatribes, because that's even worse than just disappearing from the topic like you usually do.
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I'm really wanting a nice juicy steak
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DarthAragorn posted...

I'm really wanting a nice juicy steak

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