btw, is there any way to save right before the final convo? Redoing the full 15-20 minutes before it every time to see the different endings is pretty frustrating.
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I've heard you can use autosave, provided you turn autosave off at the end (so it doesn't get overwritten.) I think I heard the best time to turn off autosave is when you get control of Shepard back at the end, but I'm not positive.
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Some additional clarification. You may have to wait for it to autosave when you get control back at the decision time though, not sure if it does that automatically, but I feel like it should. Once it does that autosave though, it should be turned off and you should be able to load from there from what I've heard.
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All right, just got the new Destroy ending, which was my last of the four. It was pretty good. I got EDI in the initial montage after you destroy the console, which is kind of ironic considering this decision kills her (Her name is listed on the memorial wall in this ending, if you look close enough). Also, I must say that I appreciate the irony of the creators (whoever they are) deciding that turning civilizations into Reapers against their will was the ideal solution, and then having the Catalyst turn that same solution back on them against their will. 'whoops' Also, you get that extra cutscene of Shepard gasping in this ending whether your awareness is at 100% or not because I got it and mine was only 50%.
Overall, I'd have to say I'm reasonably satisfied with what we got. I would've liked more, of course, but it's definitely an improvement and goes a way toward removing the bad taste I had in my mouth from what we originally got.
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Also, yeah, Liara hesitated to put up Shepard's name on the memorial wall in Destroy. I suppose this is done to imply that Shepard survived and all (and the crew overall refuses to accept that Shepard is dead), which is kinda neat.
Oh, and if you romanced Tali and you brokered peace between the quarians and geth, you do get a scene of quarians without masks in the epilogue sideshow, which is nice. There was also a picture of what looked like Tali "holding hands" with some form of Shepard outlined in the stars. I can't confirm that this is actually what the picture is, but that's what it looked like to me. If someone else who's seen this picture could confirm what that pic is supposed to be, that'd be cool.
It would be neat if that new hinted DLC makes it so you stomp the Reapers in the refuse ending.
I wouldn't like this. It just seems counterproductive. The whole point of the series was that the Reapers were a galactic threat that couldn't be handled by the races as they were. Making it so the could just makes it all seem so... pointless, as it were.
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Control isn't quite as good as Synthesis, but it's still better than what I was expecting. Clearly, these endings don't change much; they aren't much more than some perfume sprayed on a pile of garbage (the premise behind the game's resolution - everything relating to the Catalyst - is still asinine), but it illustrates the importance of closure and catharsis. I feel so much more satisfied now than I did three months ago, and all it required were some closing words and shadily put together stillframes.
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There was also a picture of what looked like Tali "holding hands" with some form of Shepard outlined in the stars. I can't confirm that this is actually what the picture is, but that's what it looked like to me. If someone else who's seen this picture could confirm what that pic is supposed to be, that'd be cool.
That's Kasumi holding hands with some spectral incarnation of her dead lover, yo.
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xp1337, I'm happy to report that your trick worked. =)
Weird thing (glitch?) though: if you load the save state right before the big decision, the Catalyst won't be, so you'll be unable to get the third ending. I also notice that there's a strange "aftersound" every time you fire your gun, although that might have always been there and I had just never noticed until now.
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I randomly decided to go Blue-Blue-Blue-Red and have to shoot The Illusive Man when I re-did the ending just a little while ago. I've of course seen the results, but I've never actually gone that route personally until now. I really liked it, actually, mainly because of that line of his just as he dies, where he says he wishes Shepard could see the Earth as he did.
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Yeah, I heard mixed reactions on that part. Some people said the Catalyst wasn't there on a reload, but it didn't seem to be universal. I wasn't too sure, but since you did that ending first, I figured it wouldn't be a big deal either way.
Though yeah, I think if you wanted to do every ending with that trick you'd need to make sure you do that ending first to be safe.
Glad to hear it worked!
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My ranking of the new endings: Synthesis = Renegade Control >= Paragon Control > Destroy > Refusal I really liked how the narration for Renegade and Paragon Control are quite different. I'm definitely going to do the Control ending for my renegade colonist sole survivor Shepard and probably Synthesis for all the rest.
I depends on on your choices. I noticed the biggest difference with whether you saved the Korgan or sabotaged them and did not cure the genophage. I think there are a few subtle difference, but I'll have to watch the videos again.
From: hideto | #074 I depends on on your choices. I noticed the biggest difference with whether you saved the Korgan or sabotaged them and did not cure the genophage. I think there are a few subtle difference, but I'll have to watch the videos again. Oh, well that stuff? The slide stuff? I'd have thought that'd carry over to some extent across all three major endings. Like, I'm watching one right now, and Jack is standing over the gravesites of all her fallen students. But I'd imagine if Jack were to pop up for any of the endings, and you screwed that one, that'd happen.
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Yeah, the subtle stuff are things during the narration with the slides, here are three lines each as examples: Renegade: "I will restore what the many have fought for. I will lead an army that none will dare oppose. I will protect, defend. I will destroy those who threaten the future of the many."
Paragon: "I will rebuild what the many have lost. I will create a future of endless possibilities.I will protect and sustain. i will act as a guardian for the many."
Anyway, of retrospective note is that in Destroy, a Husk assaulted Major Coates and was blown away. In Control, it gets, well, controlled, and is kinda like, "lol my bad dawg" and runs away. It's amusing.
Control best ending confirmed now
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Watched em all now. They left the "Shepard breath" in at the end of the Destroy ending. They added further ambiguity by making it the only ending where Liara doesn't add Shep's name to the monument of those dead. Pretty cheap by Bioware. Shepard is clearly dead, so I don't like this dangling carrot.
But anyway, these were better than I expected. No way were they going to toss the entire premise of the ending, so no one should have expected that. All we could have hoped for was some clarification and a bit of closure, and we got that. It's really damned sad that we lose Shepard no matter what happens, but at least the endings won't be quite as terrible for new fans.
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How common are protagonist deaths in big series? Snake survived four games. Chief is still alive even though his was originally planned as a trilogy too.
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How common are protagonist deaths in big series? Snake survived four games. Chief is still alive even though his was originally planned as a trilogy too.
There's a fair number of people who are disappointed that Snake survived the ending to MGS4.
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I like Shepard being dead, but I'm a pretty open guy. If a lot of other people hate that, then sure, I would have been totally cool with them giving us one where he blatantly lives and runs off into the sunset and whatnot, and sure, I'd pick it for some of my files.
Shepard's never dead in all senses except for a Low EMS Destroy, though. In Control my meaning is fairly obvious; in Synthesis he lolol lives on in everyone, I guess.
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btw is there even a downside to Control? Seems kinda weird and lame that The Illusive Man was correct all along. Synthetics are spared, neither synthetics or organics are altered against their will, and the spirit of Shep eternally controls the Reapers, which are now the galaxy's ultimate labor force.
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btw is there even a downside to Control? Seems kinda weird and lame that The Illusive Man was correct all along. Synthetics are spared, neither synthetics or organics are altered against their will, and the spirit of Shep eternally controls the Reapers, which are now the galaxy's ultimate labor force.
The downside is that if the Starchild is right, then Shepard is stuck trying to solve the "synthetics will kill all organics if left unchecked."
Which, obviously, Shepard could nip in the bud, but it's possible that organics stupidly build synthetics that not even the Reapers could defeat, and it's pretty likely that someone out there could hate the Shepareaper enough that he'd go ahead and do something like that.
Also, playing Universe Police probably isn't as fun as it sounds. I mean, trying to solve disputes and stuff seems like it could be really tricky. What if the Reapers side with the wrong group.
While it may be better (I guess) I don't see it being without a downside.
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I suppose, but it's gonna take a long time before someone thinks "ya know what, these Reaper slaves just aren't powerful enough."
And it actually does raise the issue as to why the Catalyst didn't simply use the Reapers as a galactic police force to make sure organics didn't build uber robots and wipe themselves out. Anytime there was a potential threat like the Geth (and the Catalyst would have recognized the threat well before anyone else), it could have sent one single Reaper to strut its enormous ass planetside and tell everyone to play nice. Problem solved.
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To be fair, under the current cycle they did wipe out the (supposedly) strongest Reaper in Sovereign.
But really, if a giant machine shows up and says "play nice" as much as we'd like to believe civilization is reasonable about this stuff, it would also be perceived as a threat by a lot of groups. I mean, it's easy to explain the catalyst's logic (whether you agree with it or not) to one person and get their opinion on it and let them make a decision. It's entirely different to get multiple species/races/ages/etc. to all agree that "yep, this is the best route."
There will always be dissent. It's probably why the Starchild even gave Shepard the options, rather than just polling the available people or something. >_>
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The down side to me is self-evident within The Illusive Man. I'm cool with Control being a valid option so long as there's some great drawback to The Illusive Man himself being in charge, since he's an antagonist.
Well, surprise -- there's definitely a great drawback. It never could have happened since he was indoctrinated. >_>
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Well, this all deals with the underlying revelations of the ending(s), which I think we all agree is junk. It's just weird how a little epilogue turned the endings from bleak to surprisingly optimistic.
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Nah, I wouldn't say they're junk man. And please don't try to convince me otherwise; I've had this conversation with at least fifty people in the last three months. >_>
I would say they're not good, and I would say ideally they would never have happened, but nope, I have a pretty middling opinion on the whole Starchild concept.
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Yeah, it isn't a good setup regardless. Part of Shepard's appeal, I think, is this idea that through so many hard choices, this individual becomes worthy of guardianship like that. Whether that guardianship is full fledged, synthesized, or symbolic is up to the player, but the name itself was always more than just a reference to a famous astronaut.
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