Board 8 > The new Civ expansion comes out tomorrow.

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There are ways of actually being friends with the other civs. I'm doing very well with pretty much everyone in my current game, but thats mostly because the only other religious civ in the game was stuck by himself so i spread my religion pretty flawlessly

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After the game I just played, I have come to a conclusion:

France is still imba. That UA is the most innocuous sounding thing ever, but it is ridiculously strong, even with the liberty nerf. I went into the game saying "okay, I'm not going to go for fast religion this game" and ended up founding the second pantheon, the second religion and being the first to enhance, because France just plain develops that fast.

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From: tcaz2 | #050
How are there people that still don't understand this

The AI is playing to win the game in this Civ. If they feel the only way they can do that is by declaring war on you, they'll do so. Your 'friends' aren't there to help you win, they're allied with you because they think they can use you and still stay ahead of you, or piggyback off you while they're weaker to eventually catapult them ahead somehow.

Being friendly while you're running away with the game doesn't help them win, so they'll backstab you. Forgiving them every time so they can do it again is just a bad decision on your part here.


A lot of this actually hearkens back to a time when I wasn't in the lead, and even now that I am it's not by a wide huge margin, but that aside...

Caesar declaring war on me doesn't help him win the game. It helps him lose a lot of stuff. It's not even a matter of the AI mismanaging units. I've had a force to be reckoned with for some time now, and he has to march his troops half way across the continent just to get to me. I can see it coming, I can prepare for it, and I'm just plain stronger than him. There is nothing to be gained from these repeated declarations of war. There are many much weaker, much more accessible civs that he could gobble up to bolster his strength, but instead he keeps making these halfhearted solo feints. If we were actually rivals in any sort of context I would understand, but as it is I do not. My immediate neighbors would actually stand to gain from having a go at me, but all they've done is make snide remarks.

I always let it slide because it wasn't worth the effort to make the long march all the way over there and put him in his place, although that has recently changed. If he was my neighbor I would put him down, which is what I would normally do and what I did to China.

The mood swings among the other AI literally last 5 turns. They establish an embassy, make a declaration of friendship, an denounce me all in very quick succession. Again, there is nothing to be gained from this other than to flood me with between-turn messages. If it's some sort of mind game to annoy me then it's succeeding, but I doubt that's the intent. They get nothing from our friendship and nothing from denouncing me because none of it lasts long enough to mean anything. If they thought I was getting too big for my britches and entered an extended guarded state and tried to align the other leaders against me then I would be okay with that. If they thought they could play me to their advantage and hammered out a reasonably lasting friendship to that end then I would be okay with. But they don't. They are schizos. I know that the AI plays to win and that I'll eventually have a reckoning with other powers, but this is not that. This is dumb and obnoxious.

I just never remember the AI being this erratic in previous games (as in, games of Civ 5), and it's really getting my jimmies in a jam.

I'm going to see how it plays out for the rest of the game. My "warmonger" negative modifier that I picked up from being mean to China recently expired, and shortly thereafter I befriended everyone and we all started wrecking Caesar's s*** and it's just one big BFFs club. See, this is how it should be. Everyone using my military to beat up on Augustus Jerkface. What I suspect is that warmonger thing might have put everyone on the cusp of like/dislike and set off their crazy antics. Time will tell!

On another note, I'm playing as Carthage (random draw) and have used my unique abilities exactly twice. One free harbor, on attack over a mountain. How sad.

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yeah my impression is that diplomacy isn't much better. Civ 4 worked really well and 5s erratic AI is nowhere close

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Caesar attacked me while we were best friends, but at least he did it while my back flank was completely exposed. I still beat the crap out of him though

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