I'll admit, there are some real Brony freaks out there. But I've also met my fair share of Bronies who are actually normal, perfectly friendly people. John de Lancie is making the Brony documentary because he's been a part of the Trek fandom, and understands that there are a lot of similarities between the fandoms, and that just because you're passionate about something doesn't mean you're a freak.
There are plenty of people who watch MLP and are fine. B8ers here are evidence of that. My problem lies with the people who take it too far; not only is the obsession, not just being passionate about it, the obsession just ridiculously inherently creepy, and they're the only obsessed group I've seen that is actually harming the original demographic the work was meant for.
From: KamikazePotato | #053 Pokemon is fine. I seriously doubt you would find anything you aren't looking for, there. Even with safe search on every once in awhile something will slip through. Even with fairly innocent search terms.
That applies to everything, though. The difference between 'everything' and 'MLP' is that bronies have co-opted the work so much that it's significantly easier to find things related to MLP.
I mean, is this supposed to be funny? Is this what the fanbase finds amusing? It's just disgusting.
...and really, Pokemon's probably the best comparison that we're familiar with because we grew up with it.
if i ask you about strange pictures involving Misty, you know exactly the one i'm talking about when i say "with Staryu or Starmie." Pokemon got so big it even got a plane. literally stores were BUILT for Pokemon. MLP has yet to get to the absurdity that Pokemon became - it was anime, video games, the internet, and real life at its peak. we got used to it and grew up with it, knowing it's okay. there are still some bizarre people, but we understand.
fast forward and we get World of Warcraft. a game that became so big Blizzard has a con of their own. it has since tripled then. which explains MLP too really.
internet grows -> this becomes seen more -> more people realize that it's not as rare as they think it is and thus events and craziness grows. people get more and more connected and delve deeper into their hobbies to the point where it becomes obsession-like.
and mind you, i don't see anything wrong with a con based on this - it's a market, conventions exist for that purpose. a decent amount don't seem to be TOO out there from the norm of other fandoms.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
Pokemon is fine. I seriously doubt you would find anything you aren't looking for, there.
you don't remember your childhood very well then. internet back then was heavy on it. >_>; people got better at filtering and things became more.. centralized/organized, but the itnernet in the late 90s was NOT a place where safesearch meant much.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
I never once found anything like that, and I looked up Pokemon stuff a lot.
And people who are obsessed with Pokemon (not passionate, this is a difference you don't seem to understand) are terrible too. They're just not as bad as people obsessed with MLP, aren't as numerous (the amount of terrible people in the MLP fanbase is ridiculously proportionally high compared to other fanbases), and haven't co-opted and ruined a work that wasn't even meant for them.
That video is on youtube. It is a pretty popular video. The general fanbase finds it funny. This has nothing to do with doujinshi. The general fanbase thinks that taking a character from a little girl's TV show and turning it into a character about molestation is funny. It's disgusting and very indicative of the reddit/4chan culture bronies seem to be based around.
most people who like pokemon grew up with pokemon.
most bronies are well out of the age range of the target audience. there isn't really anything wrong with liking something not targeted at you, but you can see how people might find it more strange that adults are becoming obsessed with a little girls show that they didn't even grow up watching and creating a culture around it than with pokemon, where they are just continuing liking something from their childhood into adulthood.
...pokemon wasn't a work meant 'for them.' nintendo's always had the target audience as kids. it just so happens however that the content in it appealed to those outside of it too. much like any well done show for that matter - spider-man (both 90s and Spectacular), batman (TAS, Beyond, The Batman), etc all were the same way, and yes, like MLP or Powerpuff girls. if you're good you will appeal to more than just the specific target age and that's what happened to all of those.
and when a company literally builds a store or has planes with a Pikachu on it, you've gone beyond obsessive or passionate. no two ways around that.
<_<; and if you think they aren't as numerous, you'd be wrong. that's something you really can't pull off either just on the basis that pokemon has age and size advantage on its side. there's f'd up people in every fanbase. internet unites them better. bronies are heavily an internet phenomenon.
still not as bad as WoW in its peak. and the absurdity that is Pokemon is one that really can't be touched because it grew past all those barriers and into something we actually consider fairly normal. that is what you don't seem to get.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
People have built stores and planes for Pokemon because many, many, many people love Pokemon.
That has absolutely nothing to do with an obsession. People who do not base their lives around Pokemon will still visit the Pokemon store or fly on the Pokemon plane. You have absolutely no idea what this discussion is about.
counterpoint to your argument cyclo is that you'd have people go 'you should've grown out of it.' it was meant for kids, you aren't a kid anymore, therefore you shouldn't like it anymore. it's not exactly the same situation for that, but it's in that 'close enough' because you're still liking something not meant for your age.
people who find it strange that you'd like MLP should find it strange if you like pokemon too. no adult fan of pokemon is going 'but i liked it when i was a kid so i have to now!', they're going 'i like this now too, as an adult, even though i am not the target audience.' that's where trying to differentiate it doesn't work so well, at the end of the day you're still an adult liking something 'meant for kids.' continuing to like it would mean that it appeals to you still as an adult.
>_>; and brett, doujinshi often IS for laughs. popular on youtube makes sense due to the internet status bronies have.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
...people who do not base their lives around MLP will still go to conventions about bronies too. and still post gifs. laugh at things being entirely absurd and wrong.
like every fanbase does.
similarly though, the ones who are freakishly obsessed with pokemon WILL fly on the plane. they WILL buy a lot in a pokemon store. they WILL go to conventions for pokemon.
they just aren't the only ones.
(same goes for blizzard.)
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
and sorry brett, but you're pretty much wrong here if you think i 'don't know what this is about.' i'm just not blind enough to arrogantly consider what i like to be so different than what i don't. there ARE crazy people who love the same things i do. MLP is actually a good show; pokemon has good games; Sonic games are good; there's a lot of fantastic anime out there; there's even more manga out there that's worth reading; star wars... is popular (never liked it, but with everything else, deserves a mention); D&D is actually fun with the right people; magic is a solid card game; yugioh, despite its constantly changing rules, has also gotten surprisingly deep and fun; this list can keep going to cover just about every medium of entertainment you want (also worth a mention to this - harry potter).
every one of those has people who took their entertainment and went too far with it. i've met them at conventions plenty of times, just like i've met people who are just casual fans of all of that at conventions too (meanwhile ALL of them had Pokewalkers when HG/SS came out).
i'm very much so aware of stuf that's out there and how people are. you aren't very aware that the line between everything there isn't that big and a lot of the same arguments for 1 hold true to another. pokemon just holds that line best with MLP because of how a good 90% of complaints will exist in the other's fandom.
arrogance and pride don't help when it comes to trying to 'get' that fandom, acknowledgement and relating will. and believe me, there's a lot you can relate, as much as you might hate it.
as for the vid itself: best line is the same guy who was... headbanging and said this: "I have friends myself, but we don't do things like, like try to get rid of dragons like the ponies do."
there is also a pony fighting game briefly shown. ...wonder if it's available.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
just looked up pokemon ash gary. have fun with that. (seriously, it's an 'anything you can do i can do better' situation MLP and Pokemon have. we're just used to it.)
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
Overzealous MLP fans are much more open and talkative about their fandom than any other. Most people know when to stop talking about something. Bronies don't. Don't try to talk to me about MLP during the f***ing midnight premier of Prometheus. Do not try and talk to me about ponies can FIT INTO the Alien universe DURING the movie, jesus christ.
These are literally ADULT MEN obsessed with colorful ponies. Pokemon can't even sniff the level of absurdity of these people. Pokemon has so cool looking creatures, and most fans are rather casual.
I'm not one to be disgusted at someone for liking something, even if it is intended for little girls. But these people are creepy as hell. There's no reason for a grown man to be obsessed with a show about Ponies. Like, fine you can have a stuffed pony and get laughed at occasionally, not a big deal. But these people go way to far, and there's fans like this for everything but this is beyond that.
-- MZero the extreme yes i am Yugi i have spike hair and i play card games with ugly monsters on them its time to Duel-ertyu
that comes with the recency of it. both in terms of why they're trying to spread it around and in terms of they didn't have a time period where it 'wasn't cool' that 'mattered' for a lot of people (also known as 'high school' for pokemon).
if you pair up with overzealous star wars or pokemon fans, you'll have the same conversations. or harry potter. you'll probably run into less of the former though for a midnight showing of prometheus. latter is... questionable, but if there was a pokemon comment or two regarding aliens it's also fairly 'normal' because of just how many different ones there are.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
if you pair up with overzealous star wars or pokemon fans, you'll have the same conversations. or harry potter.
See, I'm sure you believe this, but the fact is it's not true. I know overzealous fans for all those fanbases, the MLP fans are far more into trying to force people into their fanbase than any of those groups. They don't know when to quit, so they never do, and they insest that if you don't like MLP that there's something wrong with you. I've had multiple people act like I was weird for not liking it. A cult is a pretty accurate description. It's only a matter of time before it becomes a Jehovah's Witness situation.
Actually, I've heard there HAVE been cases of people going door-to-door with MLP pamphlets.
I'm not actually that sure about that! I've seen comparable amounts of them being obnoxious, and at ACen at least (which is probably not the greatest measure >_>) the trolls heavily outnumbered the ponies.
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eh? i've already said that i like the show. it was one of those 'okay this can't be true internet.' followed by clicking next into the 4th episode going 'goddammit internet.'
that's neither here nor there though and nothing to do with it. more to do with the fact that i quite dislike my double standards and a lot of the internet loves to live by them, this board included at times. there is really no fundamental difference between fans of both MLP and fans of Pokemon. if you argue which has more obsessed ones then the answer is likely going to be Pokemon simply because it's that much bigger. matter of volume there; pokemon has 1000 people for every 10 MLP has, so if you've got even 5% of the Pokemon fanbase at the crazy level MLP has, you're still going to drastically out number them. at the least the MLP vid brett showed earlier gave you a mature warning on top - looking for pokemon, ash, gary gets you stuff without any warning at all. some of the stuff that DOES have warnings would be words that aren't even in english, so if you're a kid trying to look stuff up on earlier pokemon, yaoi fics will be on your screen sooner than later.
i've been to my share of conventions, met my share of people, and have found that there's a general scale of craziness to each fandom. bronies are more 'out there' because it's recent. it's not THAT much crazier (if at all, this one escaped me in the early years when it grew hard) than Powerpuff Girls were, which became 'accepted' after a decade of 'not being okay.' it's nowhere close to Pokemon which most people around here can relate to. it's definitely vocal online. that though comes as a matter of technology and time, so just be glad the internet was so young in '96-98. even then, Misty and Staryu. you know that picture and probably saved it on a floppy disk you don't know where the hell it is anymore.
that's really it. double standards are bad. people trying to pretend that what they like is so much different than something else when it really isn't are just fooling themselves, but the internet does this a lot, before eventually caving to logic and begrugingly accepts it.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
I'm not actually that sure about that! I've seen comparable amounts of them being obnoxious, and at ACen at least (which is probably not the greatest measure >_>) the trolls heavily outnumbered the ponies.
One is a lot easier to cosplay than the other!
But I don't go to conventions, I'm more just talking about people you would normally run into.
People in general will not talk to you about HS unless they know you're into it first, while most Bronies I've met started blabbing about MLP stuff before they even knew my name.
Of course, one fanbase does outnumber the other. I've only met 2 prior HS fans, the other 6 know about it because of me.
i know fans in 'em all too, ltm. the strange thing i've found is that bronies... will generally also be more awkward and easier to redirect a conversation with to something else. i mean again, it's new, we have the internet. these things make a huge diff, over time it'll mellow out a bit and you'll get the more reasonable 'okay, different strokes' in more people. but star wars fans are among the hardest to deal with because they will also generally be older and know their way through a conversation. flip a coin on that one to see if the convo's gonna be okay or not. pokemon fans generally got knocked a peg at some point in their life over it, so they're more prone to getting the hint. it's been around for so long, some things have just either mellowed out or become accepted (like why i found yaoi on youtube without even trying).
doctor who is the same way as star wars, and a rapidly growing one that you'll hear more complaints about over the years.
homestruck... is more troll-y. but more importantly, are easily the more in-your-face category of the bunch in person, just by virtue of the cosplays being so damn basic that you'll find large portions of the cons to be made of them. that's the real strange one to the mix because it is 100% internet. the creation is online made, the fans are online made, so you've got the most possible diverse pool of people to work with.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
ah, there's your mistake, LTM. cons are a far better measure to see the extremes of each fanbase.
pokemon will get a crapton. 'casual' pokemon fans are lost amongst the rest and there is no way to tell them apart when a pokemon game releases. it's no exaggeration to say that when HG/SS came out, everyone had a Pokewalker. this isn't some crazy exaggeration, i'm talking at least 80% of the con, Pokewalkers. panel happens? pokewalker. closing ceremony? pokewalker. during a concert, pokewalker. casuals are a good portion sure, but just by numbers, the hardcore base is heavy.
they're also easy to cosplay. have seen a wide range of MLP fans. the crazy types, the far more normal and its various shades. considerably more normal than crazy. either they don't do cons (unlikely) or they also know how things are. i mean you can have a chick cosplay rainbow dash or something and you'll have 'em all come out, but even THAT isn't any worse than a well done cosplay of something else.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
Yeah I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Homestuck dudes tend to overstep their bounds. At one point I think MLP talk was banned on SA because people were s****** up the boards so much.
Yeah I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Homestuck dudes tend to overstep their bounds. At one point I think MLP talk was banned on SA because people were s****** up the boards so much.
4chan got a /mlp/ board because the fans were ****ing up boards so much.
Yeah I'm not sure where you're getting that from. Homestuck dudes tend to overstep their bounds. At one point I think MLP talk was banned on SA because people were s****** up the boards so much.
I will admit doodle or die was a big thing in my mind when I made that post. I've not seen ponies commandeer a site in that matter.
I also distinctly remember a guy on NEStalgia annoying everybody in chat with a Vriska typing gimmick for quite some time even though I was clearly the only one who recognized it. He kept pushing homestuck and it pissed everybody off.
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Didn't watch it because I've seen similar things that make me cringe and make me ashamed to be in the same fandom as these people. I'm just gonna say that the MLP fans that are incapable of talking about anything else and can't realize that some people just aren't interested in the show are the worst.
Maybe we just frequent different parts of the internet then. The only time I've seen ponies causing issues online is comment wars on youtube, which are 9/10 times started by somebody hating on a pony video.
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