Board 8 > Rolling Stone has updated its 500 Greatest Albums of All Time list.

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TheConductorSix
06/01/12 1:39:00 PM
#201:


Ok. This is the most frustrating ranking so far.

It is 2012 and whether people want to admit it or not, paul's boutique is the single most influential album of the past 25 years. Not Straight outta Compton, not Loveless, not Nevermind. That album is the foundation of most if not all modern rap music. Straight Out of Compton is legendary for it's style and cultural impact and because Ice Cube basically wrote it but three white guys from New york did more for rap than 5 guys from Compton.

It's a slap in the face to rap to have that album not in the top 100.

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Mershaaay
06/01/12 1:47:00 PM
#202:


TheConductorSix posted...
It is 2012 and whether people want to admit it or not, paul's boutique is the single most influential album of the past 25 years. That album is the foundation of most if not all modern rap music.



Those two statements are so incredibly wrong


You are literally insane

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TheConductorSix
06/01/12 1:51:00 PM
#203:


Name another album that's defined an entire genre in the last 25 years?

Sampling is the basis for nearly all of modern rap. Paul's Boutique is the reason for that. That album is legendary.

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CherryCokes
06/01/12 1:52:00 PM
#204:


120. The Byrds - Sweetheart of the Radio
119. Etta James - At Last!
118. Kanye West - Late Registration
117. Derek and the Dominoes - Layla & Other Love Songs
116. The Rolling Stones - Out of Our Heads
115. The Who - The Who Sell Out
114. Cream - Disraeli Gears
113. Joni Mitchell - Court and Spark
112. The Mamas and the Papas - If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears
111. Radiohead - The Bends

It's like a karmic joke, having the first thing I see after that last post be another Byrds album.

It's weird seeing these Rolling Stones albums of lesser renown pop up so high. Of course, part of that is undoubtedly the disparate nature between the UK and US releases - I don't think the UK version of Out of Our Heads had "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" on it. Still, the "big four" have not shown up, and we've only got 110 albums left.

I never really liked The Who Sell Out. I do think it's hilarious that perhaps the best known song from that album - "I Can See for Miles" - is now used in commercials.

If You Can Believe Your Eyes and Ears is probably the best American album that came about as a response to the British invasion. California Dreamin' is one of the top... 50 songs ever? Maybe higher? Such a classic.

The Bends > OK Computer > Amnesiac > In Rainbows. Not bad, Rolling Stone. Not bad.

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Mershaaay
06/01/12 1:53:00 PM
#205:


TheConductorSix posted...
Name another album that's defined an entire genre in the last 25 years?

Sampling is the basis for nearly all of modern rap. Paul's Boutique is the reason for that. That album is legendary.


I love the album and all, but give me a break.


It's not the first album to sample heavily, and I can't even think of any major rappers/groups who were directly influenced by it. They have a distinct white person cipher style that is unique to them.

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CherryCokes
06/01/12 1:57:00 PM
#206:


110. The Velvet Underground - Loaded
109. The Rolling Stones - Aftermath
108. David Bowie - Hunky Dory
107. Sam Cooke - Portrait of a Legend
106. Ramones - Rocket to Russia
105. Ray Charles - Modern Sounds in Country and Western Music
104. James Taylor - Sweet Baby James
103. John Coltrane - Giant Steps
102. Cream - Fresh Cream
101. Frank Sinatra - In the Wee Small Hours

Sam Cooke deserves better.

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CherryCokes
06/01/12 1:58:00 PM
#207:


From: Mershaaay | #205
TheConductorSix posted...
Name another album that's defined an entire genre in the last 25 years?

Sampling is the basis for nearly all of modern rap. Paul's Boutique is the reason for that. That album is legendary.


I love the album and all, but give me a break.


It's not the first album to sample heavily, and I can't even think of any major rappers/groups who were directly influenced by it. They have a distinct white person cipher style that is unique to them.


Public Enemy, for one.

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Mershaaay
06/01/12 1:59:00 PM
#208:


CherryCokes posted...
From: Mershaaay | #205
TheConductorSix posted...
Name another album that's defined an entire genre in the last 25 years?

Sampling is the basis for nearly all of modern rap. Paul's Boutique is the reason for that. That album is legendary.


I love the album and all, but give me a break.


It's not the first album to sample heavily, and I can't even think of any major rappers/groups who were directly influenced by it. They have a distinct white person cipher style that is unique to them.


Public Enemy, for one.


Whose seminal work preceded Paul's Boutique by a year

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KommunistKoala
06/01/12 2:02:00 PM
#209:


Late Registration being the top Kanye album?

Should've switched MBDTF and it tbqh. or at least swap College Dropout and LR if you wanna argue MBDTF being too recent to put up so high

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CherryCokes
06/01/12 2:03:00 PM
#210:


Dr. Dre
Kanye West
J Dilla

virtually every producer since

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Mershaaay
06/01/12 2:11:00 PM
#211:


CherryCokes posted...
Dr. Dre
Kanye West
J Dilla

virtually every producer since


I know you are a fanboy and everything, but you can't really justify "influence" by saying "they both used samples in their beats!"

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CherryCokes
06/01/12 2:18:00 PM
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Dust Brothers / Bomb Squad -> RZA / Dre / Dilla / The Hitmen -> Kanye ->Everyone since

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Slanted_Silver
06/01/12 3:15:00 PM
#213:


I can vouch for Marquee Moon being an amazing album

Every music fan should hear it

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CherryCokes
06/01/12 9:48:00 PM
#214:


100. The Zombies - Odessey and Oracle
099. Sly & The Family Stone - There's a Riot Goin' On
098. Elvis Costello - This Year's Model
097. Bob Dylan - The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan
096. The Who - Tommy
095. Miles Davis - B****es Brew
094. Hank Williams - 40 Greatest Hits
093. Prince - Sign o' the Times
092. Buddy Holly - 20 Golden Greats
091. Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road

We're into the top 100, and yet we still get two greatest hits compilations. And I'm dead sure that Bob Marley's Legend is still ahead of us. Oof.

Cokes Vinyl Count: 6. I have Goodbye Yellow Brick Road in quite good condition. Such a great pop album.

I'd imagine Elvis, Elton and Sly are now done (Elton might have one more album on the list, but I'd be surprised).

Audience Participation: How many jazz albums in the top 90?

Curiosity of the day - as I type up this particular post, "Pump It Up" comes in iTunes. Good timing, Mr Costello

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CherryCokes
06/01/12 10:00:00 PM
#215:


090. Stevie Wonder - Talking Book
089. Dusty Springfield - Dusty Springfield in Memphis
088. Johnny Cash - At Folsom Prison
087. Pink Floyd - The Wall
086. Bruce Springsteen - Born in the USA
085. Aretha Franklin - Lady Soul
084. Aretha Franklin - I Never Loved a Man the Way I Loved You
083. The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Axis: Bold as Love
082. Neil Young - Harvest
081. The Clash - The Clash

I never really understood why people love The Wall as much as they seem to. It always seemed kinda bloated / less enjoyable without the craziness of the movie.

Not sure how exactly Aretha ended up with albums back-to-back. Mathematical oddity?

First Hendrix album. Electric Ladyland snubbed, or yet to come?

And lastly, all hail the only band that ever mattered.

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RayDyn
06/01/12 10:00:00 PM
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From: CherryCokes | Posted: 6/2/2012 12:48:59 AM | #214
(Elton might have one more album on the list, but I'd be surprised).


Wrong horse to back out of that trio.

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CherryCokes
06/01/12 10:03:00 PM
#217:


From: RayDyn | #216
From: CherryCokes | Posted: 6/2/2012 12:48:59 AM | #214
(Elton might have one more album on the list, but I'd be surprised).


Wrong horse to back out of that trio.


Are you saying this out of knowledge?

If so, it must be a Sly album, unless Costello's Get Happy!! or King of America sneaked in (which I seriously doubt)

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CherryCokes
06/01/12 10:11:00 PM
#218:


080. John Lennon - Imagine
079. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin II
078. Otis Redding - Otis Blue
077. AC/DC -Back in Black
076. Prince - Purple Rain
075. James Brown - Star Time
074. Neil Young - After the Gold Rush
073. Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti
072. Curtis Mayfield - Superfly
071. Paul Simon - Graceland

Back in Black is only on this list, never mind this high, because of the death of Bon Scott and the emergence of Brian Johnson. There's nothing remarkable on Back in Black that the Youngs hadn't done before, but it was such a stroke of fortune that it has propelled their career for 30+ years.

Physical Graffiti, or at least much of it, does nothing for me. I think this is probably me being weird, but I dunno.

A 4-disc compilation of James Brown, which makes his second compilation on the list. I know no particular album is a great showcase for him, but why not Live at the Apollo? He was called the greatest entertainer for a reason.

If you know you have Superfly at 72, why do you have a compilation a couple hundred back that has a large chunk of Superfly on it? Just make the compilation an Impressions album!

Graceland is great, and to see it outside the top 50 is very surprising.

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CherryCokes
06/01/12 10:19:00 PM
#219:


070. Billy Joel - The Stranger
069. Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin IV
068. Michael Jackson - Off The Wall
067. Radiohead - Kid A
066. Van Morrison - Moondance
065. Phil Spector - Back to Mono (1958-1969)
064. The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers
063. U2 - Achtung Baby
062. Guns N' Roses - Appetite For Destruction
061. Sly and the Family Stone - Greatest Hits

Oh come on with the greatest hits. Oy vey.

Kid A > The Bends > OK Computer > Amnesiac > In Rainbows. I'm not a huge fan of Kid A, but it's a fair ranking.

Sticky Fingers being here seems to imply that either Beggars Banquet or Let It Bleed may have been snubbed... That can't be right, right?

Cokes Vinyl Count: 7 (The Stranger, also a great pop album)

Moondance is so good. Of all the albums on this list, it is probably my second favorite so far (behind Paul's Boutique).

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RayDyn
06/01/12 10:27:00 PM
#220:


From: CherryCokes | Posted: 6/2/2012 1:19:33 AM | #219
Oh come on with the greatest hits. Oy vey.


Expected that reaction.

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TheCodeisBosco
06/01/12 10:29:00 PM
#221:


You gotta admit though, man, you did a fistpump when you saw Superfly so high! I know I did - that's one of my all-time favorites.

It's great to see Otis Blue and The Stranger so high, too. I really feel like the latter doesn't get enough love.

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TheCodeisBosco
06/01/12 10:30:00 PM
#222:


Also yeah, way too much Greatest Hits stuff on here. I get that there are some compilations that really did have a big impact in their own right (most notably Legend), but still.

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CherryCokes
06/01/12 10:31:00 PM
#223:


060. Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica
059. Creedence Clearwater Revival - Chronicle Vol. 1
058. The Rolling Stones - Beggars Banquet
057. Stevie Wonder - Songs in the Key of Life
056. Elvis Presley - Elvis Presley
055. The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric Ladyland
054. Ray Charles - The Birth of Soul: The Complete Atlantic Recordings
053. The Beatles - Meet the Beatles
052. Al Green - Greatest Hits
051. Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water

Meet The Beatles, really? Such a goddamn cop-out.

Beggars Banquet and Electric Ladyland answer a couple of my recent queries.

"The Complete Atlantic Recordings" also seems like a bit of a cop-out. I understand that you had artists who put out lots of singles that never made albums, but you've gotta draw the line somewhere, right?

Speaking of drawing the line, that Al Green compilation has like a 2/3 redundancy rate with the rest of his albums on the list, I think.

If Songs in the Key of Life is at 57, is Innervisions higher, or completely snubbed? It's gotta be higher, though I can't imagine why. It's not like more than one or two of the albums remaining have a song as good as "Sir Duke", much less Innervisions.

Is Paul Simon done with Bridge Over Troubled Water at 51, or does There Goes Rhymin' Simon sneak into the top 50? I hope it's the latter.

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Mr Lasastryke
06/02/12 5:12:00 AM
#224:


I'm also glad that someone else appreciates Pretzel Logic; sometimes, I feel like I'm the only Steely Dan fan here.

Hardly! On that note, Aja is... well, it's in the top 150, fair enough. But yeah, I feel like Steely Dan is a band everyone has heard of but people don't praise nearly enough.

Why do we need more than one Santana album? Every guitar solo is the same!

I'll pretend I didn't read that.

WTF at The Bends being so high, that album, like Hail to the Thief, is in the "OK - good" range. At least they correctly named Kid A the #1 Radiohead album.

Trout Mask being so high was expected, but still nice to see.

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DeathChicken
06/02/12 5:18:00 AM
#225:


I'm pretending I didn't read all the Grateful Dead bashing, so it's okay

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CherryCokes
06/02/12 11:16:00 AM
#226:


I just don't "get" the Dead. I really and truly don't.

That Santana thing is a half-truth, half-joke that I love to use to rile people up. I don't dislike Santana by any means, but he's not a terribly diverse musician.

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