Board 8 > Man, I never though I'd say it 10 years ago but TV has surpassed movies.

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The last 10 years have just seen a gigantic rise in quantity of quality TV. While movies seem to just be becoming more and more commercially focused and about playing it safe, TV is taking risks.

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TV has way more room to be great.

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are you calling TV fat

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TV is just big boned

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I attribute to a budget that actually makes them look as good as movies.

Albeit without all the special effects, but that also means more time is spent on the actual writing.

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Breaking Bad is so good that it should be winning Oscars.

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I'm inclined to agree. There are still great movies out there though

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pjbasis posted...
Albeit without all the special effects, but that also means more time is spent on the actual writing.

Those two things aren't necessarily connected, there've been plenty of poorly written low budget things.


As for TV versus movies, hmmm. While I agree TV has gotten much better in the last 15 to 20 years or so, especially with premium cable, basic cable going further, etc.

Movies have been doing excellently though as always, though I did find 2011 to be a bit of a weaker year. Pretty much, I'd say yes TV has gotten a lot better and living up to it's potential as a medium more, and of course there's always anime.

Movies often are better than TV though, and in it's own way that medium has plenty of freedoms TV doesn't. The OP says movies are more commercial, but that's not always the case, and even the most risky TV series can't take as many risks as a movie for various reasons. A TV show has to come back on the next week.

Long story short, I know ranking everything is a bit of a fetish on this board, but TV and Movies aren't better or worse than eachother.

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I'd say arguing the two at this point is kind of moot since they're both essentially different formats with their own pros and cons. One is short form and one is long form. I think it's more about preference now than anything else. Personally, I prefer long form narratives so I like television more. It allows you to become more invested and is overall a more rewarding experience in my opinion.

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they're both essentially different formats with their own pros and cons

Well we are not arguing about the format. We are arguing about which is producing more quality stuff. A couple decades ago TV produced much less and did not come anywhere close to the number of quality shows that they do now. I am also suggesting that movies have become increasingly safe and commercial, while TV takes more risks as a whole. These are things that could be observed and agreed or disagreed with by someone regardless of their preference for one format or the other.

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movies don't have filler episodes. They are also able to know the ending while working on the beginning.

there are definitely pros and cons to both

the wire is better than any movie ever

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I'd say arguing the two at this point is kind of moot since they're both essentially different formats with their own pros and cons. One is short form and one is long form. I think it's more about preference now than anything else.

Except that even within their specific formats, this has been a golden age of television dramas and a serious drought of quality film. It really is amazing how fortunate we've been to get Mad Men and Breaking Bad so close together.

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topic is truth, though 2010 was a fantastic movie year for me - as a whole, TV's winning the last few years.

i attribute a lot of this to a willingness for some creative scheduling - seasons which should only be 10 episodes long actually ARE only 10 episodes long now. TV's not enslaved to september-to-may anymore.

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ViviffTheGreat posted...
All thanks to 24

Damn right.

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TV has not surpassed movies yet, but the last 10 years have indeed been a massive improvement. And it's all because of anime.

Western creators caught on that shows that have an overarching, coherent story and strict continuity are just that much more interesting than having the story reset every single week to cater to stupid and/or casual viewers. That is what made anime stand out from western TV, not the fact that it's animated.

Of course, we have the success of 24 to thank for this positive trend sticking around. And Game of Thrones proves that high-budget TV shows can do adaptations in a much better and more faithful way than movies. If the trend continues we'll have weekly high budget Spider-Man in no time!

both have declined, but movies have declined WAY more the past 10 years than TV.

TV still has high quality shows, but we also have to deal with worst of the worst stuff with bad reality tv (some reality tv can be very good, but so much today is "a day in the life of some group").

Movies, on the other hand, have been horrible as a whole for pretty much a decade. I mean we all love nolan's movies, but hes more of an exception to the rule. So many movies these days are just taking some piece of 70s through 90s culture and turning it into some big budget, least common denominator piece of crap.

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From: Takfloyd_mkII__ | #019
TV has not surpassed movies yet, but the last 10 years have indeed been a massive improvement. And it's all because of anime.

Western creators caught on that shows that have an overarching, coherent story and strict continuity are just that much more interesting than having the story reset every single week to cater to stupid and/or casual viewers. That is what made anime stand out from western TV, not the fact that it's animated.

Of course, we have the success of 24 to thank for this positive trend sticking around. And Game of Thrones proves that high-budget TV shows can do adaptations in a much better and more faithful way than movies. If the trend continues we'll have weekly high budget Spider-Man in no time!

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*Looks at over 50 years of soaps*

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

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Western creators caught on that shows that have an overarching, coherent story and strict continuity are just that much more interesting than having the story reset every single week to cater to stupid and/or casual viewers. That is what made anime stand out from western TV, not the fact that it's animated.

Uh...western creators didn't get that from anime. Tons of shows had overarching stories before anime made it big in the US during the late 90s.

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SlymDayspring posted...
I am also suggesting that movies have become increasingly safe and commercial, while TV takes more risks as a whole.

"TV takes more risks as a whole"? Not at all, we're in an age where reality TV schlock is filling up airslots because it's cheaper to produce and gets better ratings than scripted shows. And for the most part we've got sitcoms, soap melodramas, and the like. Sure we've got great stuff happening especially on certain cable networks, but as a whole TV is not particularly into taking risks. And of course, shows that take risks are often cancelled quick.

Takfloyd_mkII__ posted...
TV has not surpassed movies yet, but the last 10 years have indeed been a massive improvement. And it's all because of anime.

Western creators caught on that shows that have an overarching, coherent story

I'm a big anime fan, but that's pretty clearly not the case. That'd be like saying TV is more into serialized story arcs now thanks to Frank Miller's run on the Daredevil comics in the early 1980s. Whether anime is more or less niche than comics in America is another question, but other than Joss Whedon it's hard to think of too many TV creators who are big anime fans. Certainly not the majority.

Anyways, there are pros and cons to everything, and the good in entertainment is always outweighed by a huge amount of garbage. But there's plenty of gold to go around.

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