Board 8 > If the technology developed to read minds...

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Would you support its mandatory usage on captured suspected criminals to determine their innocent or guilt instead the current investigatory system?

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If it could be limited to pertinent information, or there is significant evidence implicating them then yeah, definitely. If we're talking about scanning the entire contents of their brain without probable cause, then no.

Yes

but only because they could read my mind. Conform or else you'll be the one behind bars.

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Society would crumble with that technology.

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Only way I would support it is if everyone had the technology to read everyone else's mind and nothing in the world was secret. Limiting that kind of technology to only be used by law enforcement would be the worst possible thing.

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Rad Link 5 posted...
Society would crumble with that technology.

It'd be tough at first but if anything we -need- that kind of technology, once people can't hide everything away we'll be forced to sort out all of our bull ****, we could become something much better as a species

Even just the internet has an element of this with making information more widely available, that's why there's such a strong movement to destroy it from those in power(SOPA, ACTA etc)

Our society is built on bull s***. We'd go mad and destroy each other if that was suddenly taken out from under us.

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As several Harry Potter fanfics have taught me, just because you are capable of mind reading doesn't free you of the paranoia that the mind reading can be tampered.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #004
Society would crumble with that technology.

Most definitely. We as humans can't help but judge others, but we've learned to not judge out loud. If others can read every single thing you think about them, there'd be a lot more conflict going on for sure.

Maybe yeah, everyone would eventually work out their ****. But that would mean everyone would become exactly the same. A society where everyone is the same probably wouldn't work either.

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No.


Oh god, I don't think I could stand to live in such a world. I need my privacy.

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No.

This would literally be the worst kind of sci-fi technology to develop. As someone said before, it'd crumble society. Quite easily too.

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What do you guys mean when you say society would "crumble"? I mean I think it's crazy enough that you can predict the effects on humanity of something this drastic.. but I'm curious to know what this "crumbling" entails.

Complete and total honesty would be a huge change, yes. But I'm not really sure why this would automatically make things "worse" than they are right now. People would eventually be born into this age of honesty and wouldn't even be able to understand how deception existed. A lot of people would long for the days when they could lie to people in order to make them feel better or hide their actual intentions during interactions, but I cannot understand how this would be a detriment to humanity. You'd just have to deal with the fact that people aren't as good, noble, etc as they would like you to believe.

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Because lies keep people happy. Even tiny white lies.

Imagination as a whole would deteriorate. Can you imagine a childhood where you didn't believe ghost stories or in possible fictional worlds? Damn fiction could potentially completely disappear because that generation wouldn't know how to make false stories.

How about the dating scene. How'd most women react when they found out they really didn't look all that great. " Oh yeah baby you look like s*** this morning. Your breathe leaves a little to be desired too. "

We'd be almost robotic.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #004
Society would crumble with that technology.

You act like it isn't already

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Imagination as a whole would deteriorate. Can you imagine a childhood where you didn't believe ghost stories or in possible fictional worlds? Damn fiction could potentially completely disappear because that generation wouldn't know how to make false stories.

lolwut

How about the dating scene. How'd most women react when they found out they really didn't look all that great. " Oh yeah baby you look like s*** this morning. Your breathe leaves a little to be desired too. "

no one looks like **** unless they've done something to themselves to make themselves look like ****, wouldn't hurt anyone in our generation to put down the big mac and stop drinking soda. might actually help our absurdly high divorce rate if people were essentially forced to only attach themselves to a mate that they're actually happy with

The one problem on that end is a certain amount of mystery and surprise ends up being very healthy for a relationship and can contribute to its growth.

When you take that out a lot of the process that makes the "spark" to begin with can be lost.


And divorce rates are more about the social structure of society now. Divorces are usually easy, careless, and completely accepted socially by the current generations. Add in that most people have an even greater sense of entitlement than previous generations (which seems to continue to worsen), and they view Divorce as a quick and painless way out instead of giving any effort to keep the relationship going, because they feel they'll just find someone else quickly enough anyway.

Obesity is also partly related to the entitlement issue. Children today are far more entitled than we've ever seen before, and so many parents don't have a ****ing spine. This is also not helped that in many cases, parents are bashed by society for actually disciplining or scolding their children. Unless the child is horrible, they tend to get far less **** for doing nothing. Its a cycle that will probably get worse as new generations arrive, too.

Basically Liquid I find both things you mentioned to be societal and not personal issues that have been bred into the condition they are in now.



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There's also the secrets we keep from other people in order to not cause trouble.


For example, you hate this guy at work. You REALLY REALLY ****ing hate this guy at work. Now right now? You can play nice with this person for the sake of not causing trouble at work. Good deal. But in such a reality? There isn't any way you'd be able to hide that.

What of those who hold beliefs that are shunned in their society? Not believing in god in a society that kills non-believers will be difficult if they can probe your mind.

Hell, even when you're talking to yourself you had personal thoughts you'd rather not share with anyone else. To remove that is to remove a right every single human being has.

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Being able to read minds would be pretty cool, although I'd prefer being able to use mind control.

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DYL and sheep have made the best arguments against it, my ideal imagining of it would be that everyone would collectively be aware of everything, if it were restricted to, lets say the creeps at the FBI, NSA, CIA etc who already throw people in foreign prisons with no real evidence(he was wearing a casio watch!), that would be a big, big problem for society...and realistically if it were developed that would probably be what would happen

Imagination as a whole would deteriorate. Can you imagine a childhood where you didn't believe ghost stories or in possible fictional worlds? Damn fiction could potentially completely disappear because that generation wouldn't know how to make false stories.

lolwut

I was basing that on what the guy above me was saying.

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I'm not even kidding about the watch thing btw

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees_accused_of_possessing_Casio_watches

owning a casio watch literally makes you a target for indefinite detainment without trial

maybe just me but I never believed in ghost stories or that something I saw on some cartoon was actually a real thing, idk

From: Liquid Wiind | #022
maybe just me but I never believed in ghost stories or that something I saw on some cartoon was actually a real thing, idk

You're telling me you never believed in Santa Clause?

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it's possible at a very young age, I would always hunt for my presents though and occasionally found 'santa' gifts so it was no surprise to me

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From: Liquid Wiind | #022
maybe just me but I never believed in ghost stories or that something I saw on some cartoon was actually a real thing, idk
You're telling me you never believed in Santa Clause?

It WOULD be nice if that movie was never made...

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Oh god ****ing dammit. I hate this keyboard. I typed out a huge response to DYL's post and then hit backspace and went back a page. All gone.

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Ok how about this one.

Imagine you're playing a game with some fiends on a playground, like superheroes or whatever. Than that one guy comes in and yells " you're not actually real superheroes and you have no super powers " all of a sudden the fun with imagining you do is sucked out.

That's essentially what life would be like forever for children if they lived in a world where falsehood was completely void. Everyone would only play games that are reasonably realistic. No sense in imagining since that'd just be a lie.

That's the world where everyone lives with no concept of deception and lies.

Alternatively and not really relevant, we could end up like those aliens in Galaxy Quest are.

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yes because the children were COMPLETELY UNAWARE before that guy came along that they were just playing and in fact had no super powers

imagination and dishonesty are not the same thing

What Liquid said. You're not getting it.

I watch Lord of the Rings and I'm entertained because Tolkien dreamed up a world that was incredibly interesting. Not because I actually believe Tolkien knows of an actual place called Middle Earth which is filled with magic and whatnot.

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another way to look at it is that when people lie, they know they're lying. people who actually believe it when they tell completely ridiculous lies tend to get labeled as crazy people...

Ok I may be stretching that theory a little.

But you can't deny childhood would be alot less interesting if you're much more aware of things around you.

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From: YetAnothrShadow | #031
Ok I may be stretching that theory a little.

But you can't deny childhood would be alot less interesting if you're much more aware of things around you.

I'm not sure that it matters. Childhood wasn't fun because I was gullible enough to believe all the lies my family told me about how things were, it was awesome because I had no responsibilities. The world wouldn't be as full of "wonder" since you'd find out the actual answers to anything you asked, but I don't see how that would be a bad thing. You'd basically just grow up quicker... which isn't necessarily a bad thing. The world is far more interesting to me now than it has ever been.

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the complete lack of responsibility is definitely the best thing about being young I'd agree...that and having a body that seemingly bounces back from injuries instantaneously, I'm typing mostly with my left hand now since I've had a sprained finger for the past few weeks and it's like "when did THAT happen? getting old... D:"

From: KlownBoat | #029
What Liquid said. You're not getting it.

I watch Lord of the Rings and I'm entertained because Tolkien dreamed up a world that was incredibly interesting. Not because I actually believe Tolkien knows of an actual place called Middle Earth which is filled with magic and whatnot.

No I think he's right in a way. Though I don't think he used the easiest way to explain it. (or maybe i just see it in a different way)

Imagination would indeed deteriorate because in a personal context you could no longer tell someone a story, or a joke or an idea. Fiction wouldn't be ruined because we don't believe in it, it would be ruined because we'd know what's gonna happen.Because the person listening/watching/participating would already be a step ahead.

Basically what it is is it has a lot to do with what "reading minds" actually means.

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Oh also, one thing that would be immediately ruined is card games, chess and the like. Paintball depending how far your mind read can go, every goddamn sport....

So yeah, "reading minds" is pretty ambiguous to begin with.

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Half of the people who are vital in regulating and allowing the technology are closet pedophiles so it would never be able to happen.

You would have to explain how this technology is used and what reading minds constitutes as.

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Wouldn't it just read the data in the brain like a computer, and translate whatever it is?

I mean, you could limit the translation to only reveal certain words. Like it would look for certain trigger things.

Imagination would indeed deteriorate because in a personal context you could no longer tell someone a story, or a joke or an idea. Fiction wouldn't be ruined because we don't believe in it, it would be ruined because we'd know what's gonna happen.Because the person listening/watching/participating would already be a step ahead.

actually this is simply increasing the speed of communication to instantaneous, if anything it means the spoken word would become completely obsolete except as an art form(music, poetry, things where you need to keep rhythm intact). communications improvements have driven the incredibly rapid technological advances we've seen in the past few centuries, this would be way beyond the printing press, the telephone, or the internet...

actually this is simply increasing the speed of communication to instantaneous, if anything it means the spoken word would become completely obsolete except as an art form(music, poetry, things where you need to keep rhythm intact). communications improvements have driven the incredibly rapid technological advances we've seen in the past few centuries, this would be way beyond the printing press, the telephone, or the internet..

yeah, like someone was saying, almost robotic

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From: Achromatic | #008
As several Harry Potter fanfics have taught me, just because you are capable of mind reading doesn't free you of the paranoia that the mind reading can be tampered.

This

People used to think that being able to take pictures and video would ruin society because you couldn't hide anything anymore

Then we got Photoshop

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