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20three
02/08/12 10:57:00 AM
#1:


They decide to make Ghost super-effective against Psychic but only provide 2 ghost attacks...lick (which is extraordinarily weak) and night shade (which doesn't have weakness bonus), and then to make things worse for it, give it the most useless type in the game: Poison, and even worse than that give it no poison attacks!

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pjbasis
02/08/12 10:59:00 AM
#2:


No one's really sure what they were thinking in Gen I when it comes to balance.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
02/08/12 10:59:00 AM
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D


He's still brutal in R/B

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CommodoreTN
02/08/12 11:00:00 AM
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Its not like Gengar has ever been given poison attacks.

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Luis_Sera89
02/08/12 11:04:00 AM
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At least Ghost had Lick, all Dragon had was Dragon Rage IIRC.

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BerkeIium
02/08/12 11:04:00 AM
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D

It had high Special and Speed. That was really all it needed in R/B, no matter what its type was.
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mnkboy907
02/08/12 11:04:00 AM
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Wasn't there also a glitch that made Lick do normal damage against Psychics?

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Durandi
02/08/12 11:05:00 AM
#8:


Gengar is awesome in has been really good in pretty much every gen.

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SuorGenoveffa
02/08/12 11:05:00 AM
#9:


D.

Gengar was still very good despite that. Even when he got Special Shadow Ball, that was only a bonus added to all the things it had going for it already.

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red13n
02/08/12 11:05:00 AM
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Gengar would break the game without the poison type added. They knew what they were doing.

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WazzupGenius00
02/08/12 11:52:00 AM
#11:


From: mnkboy907 | #007
Wasn't there also a glitch that made Lick do normal damage against Psychics?


yes.

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Xeybozn
02/08/12 12:06:00 PM
#12:


mnkboy907 posted...
Wasn't there also a glitch that made Lick do normal damage against Psychics?

No.

However, there was a glitch that made Lick do no damage against Psychics.

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MarvelousGerbil
02/08/12 12:14:00 PM
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C, from a design standpoint, Haunter>Gengar.

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mnkboy907
02/08/12 12:28:00 PM
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From: Xeybozn | #012
No.

However, there was a glitch that made Lick do no damage against Psychics.


Well then.

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linkhatesganon
02/08/12 1:10:00 PM
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C

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barreldragon88
02/08/12 1:14:00 PM
#16:


Gengar really should be Ghost/Dark with Intimidate and not Levitate.

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/08/12 1:18:00 PM
#17:


From: barreldragon88 | #016
Gengar really should be Ghost/Dark with Intimidate and not Levitate.


....that would be so damn broken

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barreldragon88
02/08/12 1:29:00 PM
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Sure, it wouldn't have any weaknesses, but the Ghost/Poison typing only gives it one weakness anyway, and Psychic attacks really that commonly used? Ghost/Dark would make it not immune to Toxic, Spikes, Toxic Spikes, and Earthquake/Earth Power, so I think that's a fair tradeoff.

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junk_funk
02/08/12 1:32:00 PM
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The fact that he was immune to physical damage and always hit first made him boss. Teach him psychic and kaboom, match over.

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Metal_DK
02/08/12 1:35:00 PM
#20:


the best anti-psychic pokemon in gen 1 was jolteon

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HeroDelTiempo17
02/08/12 1:37:00 PM
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From: barreldragon88 | #018
Sure, it wouldn't have any weaknesses, but the Ghost/Poison typing only gives it one weakness anyway, and Psychic attacks really that commonly used? Ghost/Dark would make it not immune to Toxic, Spikes, Toxic Spikes, and Earthquake/Earth Power, so I think that's a fair tradeoff.


First of all he has four weaknesses: Ghost, Psychic, Dark, and Ground. Obviously Levitate gets rid of one so he really has three.

It's not just the Ghost/Dark that would make it broken, but Intimidate? Part of Gengar's drawbacks is that he's speedy but relatively frail. Intimidate would let him shut down Physical Pokemon. Add that to not having any weaknesses and it seems just a little bit stupid.

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MarvelousGerbil
02/08/12 1:44:00 PM
#22:


Metal_DK posted...
the best anti-psychic pokemon in gen 1 was jolteon

Mo' like Parasect.

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barreldragon88
02/08/12 1:48:00 PM
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
From: barreldragon88 | #018
Sure, it wouldn't have any weaknesses, but the Ghost/Poison typing only gives it one weakness anyway, and Psychic attacks really that commonly used? Ghost/Dark would make it not immune to Toxic, Spikes, Toxic Spikes, and Earthquake/Earth Power, so I think that's a fair tradeoff.
First of all he has four weaknesses: Ghost, Psychic, Dark, and Ground. Obviously Levitate gets rid of one so he really has three.

It's not just the Ghost/Dark that would make it broken, but Intimidate? Part of Gengar's drawbacks is that he's speedy but relatively frail. Intimidate would let him shut down Physical Pokemon. Add that to not having any weaknesses and it seems just a little bit stupid.

Don't know how I forgot about the Ghost and Dark weaknesses...

Ghost/Dark would just make more sense for Haunter and Gengar, but I don't expect GF will ever change their typing.

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20three
02/09/12 11:44:00 AM
#24:


From: red13n | #010
Gengar would break the game without the poison type added. They knew what they were doing.


But instead they made all psychic types OP, especially Mewtwo...

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pjbasis
02/09/12 11:59:00 AM
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The anti-psychic was someone who was half-psychic and could get STAB on the other type.

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charmander6000
02/09/12 12:00:00 PM
#26:


The game was never intended to be balanced (or at the very least they didn't try very hard)

Mewtwo was designed to be all powerful and psychics weren't OP (they were the best though)

Poison type really did limit a lot of pokemon, guys like Gengar and Venusaur would've seen a lot more usage.

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