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Leebo86
01/30/12 8:19:00 PM
#401:


No, you just have to not give up looking for the explanation.

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TheRock1525
01/30/12 8:20:00 PM
#402:


We already added the fans in, so it's non-sports enthusiasts period.

But there's a fundamental difference between actively participating in sports and being a fan. There's people who perform in sports that actively hate doing it as well! Take a look at Sarena Williams goofy-ass.

Lumping sports players and sports fans together doesn't work.

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Leebo86
01/30/12 8:21:00 PM
#403:


From: TheRock1525 | #402
There's people who perform in sports that actively hate doing it as well!


Someone already said the players were the clergy. I'm sure there are clergy who hate being clergy.

And stop worrying about the percentages matching up with reality, they won't and it's not important.

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RevolverSaro
01/30/12 8:22:00 PM
#404:


http://www.quickmeme.com/Jessica-Ahlquist/?upcoming

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TheRock1525
01/30/12 8:23:00 PM
#405:


Leebo86 posted...
No, you just have to not give up looking for the explanation.

I don't want them to stop looking. But it's possible that we could have immortality to study the issue and still not find the answer.

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Leebo86
01/30/12 8:23:00 PM
#406:


This one is kind of funny

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Seeing as the parts that people celebrate are mostly pagan or secular, and she presumably doesn't celebrate Jesus's birth.

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Leebo86
01/30/12 8:24:00 PM
#407:


From: TheRock1525 | #405
Leebo86 posted...
No, you just have to not give up looking for the explanation.

I don't want them to stop looking. But it's possible that we could have immortality to study the issue and still not find the answer.


Even that wouldn't mean it's a miracle though.

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tyder21
01/30/12 8:24:00 PM
#408:


From: RevolverSaro | #404
http://www.quickmeme.com/Jessica-Ahlquist/?upcoming


The one with the picture of the first amendment is like a "find the mistake" picture.

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metroid composite
01/30/12 8:26:00 PM
#409:


TheRock1525 posted...
But there's a fundamental difference between actively participating in sports and being a fan. There's people who perform in sports that actively hate doing it as well! Take a look at Sarena Williams goofy-ass.

True.

Kind of like there's a difference between preachers and people who sit in the pew and listen. And I'm sure there are some preachers who are mostly in it for the money, and don't really believe.

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tyder21
01/30/12 8:28:00 PM
#410:


From: Leebo86 | #406
Seeing as the parts that people celebrate are mostly pagan or secular, and she presumably doesn't celebrate Jesus's birth.


Yeah, I have a friend who is an Atheist with Hindu parents and they celebrate Christmas as a convenient time to exchange gifts. Pretty funny how secular it has become.

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TheRock1525
01/30/12 8:29:00 PM
#411:


Leebo86 posted...
From: TheRock1525 | #402
There's people who perform in sports that actively hate doing it as well!
Someone already said the players were the clergy. I'm sure there are clergy who hate being clergy.

And stop worrying about the percentages matching up with reality, they won't and it's not important.


Once again, all you do is create another problem. You're assuming that when I say sports players, I refer to those only at the professional level. If I go out and play hoops in the backyard with my buddy, I'm also playing sports. There's also the fact that I might actively be able to play basketball, but my favorite sport is actually baseball. But physical and geographical limitations prevent me from ever actually playing it. And if each sport is consider it's own denomination, then what exactly would I be? I love baseball, it's my first love, but I actively "practice" basketball. How does that work?

Here's why it doesn't work:

You can't truly belong to multiple religions.
You can actively belong to and enjoy multiple sports.

Atheist don't believe that a God exists.
Sports do exist, non-sport fans cannot deny it.

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Pacmantis
01/30/12 8:32:00 PM
#412:


Why are there so many posts this is the worst

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TheRock1525
01/30/12 8:32:00 PM
#413:


Even that wouldn't mean it's a miracle though.

It increases the odds. For every explanation that doesn't fit, it means there's more of a possibility. Logistically speaking, if you had all the time in the world you would eventually test every single possibility.

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OmarsComin
01/30/12 8:32:00 PM
#414:


this topic has gone through several mostly unrelated stages

the haiku stage was my personal favorite
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TheRock1525
01/30/12 8:32:00 PM
#415:


I think at this point we're having a relatively friendly debate, so it's definitely a lot better than when Bio was in here.

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Leebo86
01/30/12 8:33:00 PM
#416:


From: TheRock1525 | #411
You can't truly belong to multiple religions.
You can actively belong to and enjoy multiple sports.


I acknowledged that sports aren't mutually exclusive, that was what I was mainly referring to when I called it an imperfect analogy at the beginning.

Atheist don't believe that a God exists.
Sports do exist, non-sport fans cannot deny it.


Sports are better as religions, yeah, don't really have a good thing to represent God.

It's a work in progress, I'm flexible, stop trying to throw it away at every turn!

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Leebo86
01/30/12 8:33:00 PM
#417:


From: TheRock1525 | #412
It increases the odds. For every explanation that doesn't fit, it means there's more of a possibility.


Not really, since there are infinite bad explanations.

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tyder21
01/30/12 8:33:00 PM
#418:


Really now all that's trying to be done now is formulate a working analogy.

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TheRock1525
01/30/12 8:36:00 PM
#419:


Leebo86 posted...
From: TheRock1525 | #412
It increases the odds. For every explanation that doesn't fit, it means there's more of a possibility.
Not really, since there are infinite bad explanations.


No, see, the point is that the end result would be after testing every good, bad, or otherwise explanation. Meaning if someone says "he survived because he taped peanut butter flavored staples to his nipples" you would test that. You can test everything. Because you're immortal. Time is a non-issue.

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TheRock1525
01/30/12 8:37:00 PM
#420:


Although, once you add math to it, I can see where things could get out of control.

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Leebo86
01/30/12 8:37:00 PM
#421:


Even if you have infinite time, there are still infinite bad explanations.

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paperwarior
01/30/12 8:38:00 PM
#422:


No, I think this analogy is analogous to the things that just can't be explained. It's beyond our capabilities and we shouldn't play analogy-creator.

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Kenri
01/30/12 8:38:00 PM
#423:


"Understanding atheism: Various religions are like various sports, and atheists are people who don't play any sport-"
"Wait. What about people who don't play a sport, but actively follow and patronize it?"
"*sigh* Various religions are like incredibly complex belief systems, which have changed and evolved over thousands of years, for which any analogy must be an approximation."
"Booooooring."

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TheRock1525
01/30/12 8:40:00 PM
#424:


I can't go along with any analogy that says I can only like one sport!

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TheRock1525
01/30/12 8:41:00 PM
#425:


Leebo86 posted...
Even if you have infinite time, there are still infinite bad explanations.

To be fair, if we already labeled them bad, we don't have to test them.

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Leebo86
01/30/12 8:42:00 PM
#426:


From: TheRock1525 | #425
Leebo86 posted...
Even if you have infinite time, there are still infinite bad explanations.

To be fair, if we already labeled them bad, we don't have to test them.


Well we don't know if they're bad before they're tested.

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TheRock1525
01/30/12 8:43:00 PM
#427:


Most of them we do, though. For example, if someone said "throwing him in a wood-chipper is why he lived" we can safely rule that one out.

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Leebo86
01/30/12 8:44:00 PM
#428:


Well yeah, but there are still infinite "ideas that aren't obviously bad and could require testing".

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TheRock1525
01/30/12 8:45:00 PM
#429:


Leebo86 posted...
Well yeah, but there are still infinite "ideas that aren't obviously bad and could require testing".

Is there?

I don't think there is. I think the only time you get screwed up is, like I said, when math gets involved.

But it's obvious that things would be eliminated by simple common sense right away, and anything attached to them would also be eliminated.

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Leebo86
01/30/12 8:46:00 PM
#430:


From: TheRock1525 | #429
Leebo86 posted...
Well yeah, but there are still infinite "ideas that aren't obviously bad and could require testing".

Is there?

I don't think there is. I think the only time you get screwed up is, like I said, when math gets involved.

But it's obvious that things would be eliminated by simple common sense right away, and anything attached to them would also be eliminated.


Think about how many variations and possible differences you can have in the formulas used to potentially explain phenomena.

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TheRock1525
01/30/12 8:50:00 PM
#431:


Think about how many variations and possible differences you can have in the formulas used to potentially explain phenomena.

I bet if I was immortal and had all the time in the world to think about it, I could.

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Leebo86
01/30/12 8:51:00 PM
#432:


But really, people have always been tempted to explain things they couldn't figure out with "God did it."

Then they died and 200 years later some guy realized what was really happening and that it didn't need God involved at all.

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Vlado
01/31/12 1:35:00 AM
#433:


For one of the "not caring about religion" atheists, Leebo sure spends a lot of posts discussing religion.

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foolm0ron
01/31/12 1:40:00 AM
#434:


He's just so passionate about being indifferent!

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Seginustemple
01/31/12 1:49:00 AM
#435:


OH man, 400 post religion topic? I'm almost so down

what have yall divined so far

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Leebo86
01/31/12 4:47:00 AM
#436:


I don't think I ever said I don't care about religion or that I'm indifferent.

I never engage people IRL on this kind of stuff, but then again, I don't encounter nearly as many religious dicks IRL either.

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VincentLauw
01/31/12 5:11:00 AM
#437:


I liked it better
when this was a haiku thread
can we go back now

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Leebo86
01/31/12 5:13:00 AM
#438:


I don't think I said I don't care about religion or that I'm indifferent.

On the topic of what people believe, I rarely engage on that. But when stuff like this happens, where an angry horde of religious people are harassing someone, or when people try to get religious-themed laws passed, etc.... that's where I'm most interested.

If it didn't come up in that manner, I wouldn't be discussing it.

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Biolizard28
01/31/12 5:15:00 AM
#439:


From: Seginustemple | #435
OH man, 400 post religion topic? I'm almost so down

what have yall divined so far


Atheism is a religion to everyone but atheists, who are at best going through denial.

Also, Cyclo got verbally destroyed by me and he's going to pretend it didn't happen. Fair warning.

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RevolverSaro
01/31/12 8:08:00 AM
#440:


Atheism can't be a religion for one reason: There is no sort of organization and no official canon. Religion implies a sort of institutional role.

I'm not denying that Atheism isn't a spiritual belief. But it definitely isn't a religion. The only thing atheists have in common is that they do not believe in god.

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Liquid Wind
01/31/12 8:13:00 AM
#441:


Biolizard28 posted...
Also, Cyclo got verbally destroyed by me and he's going to pretend it didn't happen. Fair warning.

this is what bio actually believes

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