they think megaupload because it's a place where files are uploaded and it's one of the main ones. there's obviously a ton of pirated stuff on it, but that's not what they do: all they do is allow is people to upload files. that's it, and it's perfectly legal to do that. the site's so big that it's impossible to police it, but they do try to take down whatever they find, which is usually going to be what people report.
but you can't search on megaupload. there are other, third party sites that ALLOW you to do so, but you can't search there.
also an easy way to become a large portion of the internet isn't even through piracy, but porn. of which there's probably more of that than anything else on it. >_>;
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Wanglicious posted... also an easy way to become a large portion of the internet isn't even through piracy, but porn. of which there's probably more of that than anything else on it. >_>;
I'd just like to point out, while us net denizens take free porn for granted, that is actually piracy just as much.
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also keep in mind the other problem faced here: megaupload's service is basically storage.
the real issue here comes down to the government really can't shut down a site like megaupload without every other site which allows uploading to get taken down. mediafire, filesonic, etc all do the same thing. hell, dropbox is new at it but they've gotten a ton of traction too.
and according to the link phase provided earlier, more corporations/businesses use megaupload to store stuff than they use dropbox.
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You may say it's being proactive about removing pirated material but....it's definitely not that proactive about it.
Well it's kind of hard to do anything about encrypted files with names that aren't blatantly the names of copyrighted material. Sure, maybe the first thing one should say is "Aw man, my favorite pirating site" but it does have legitimate uses and there doesn't seem to be a great legal basis for shutting them down. Have they seized websites on "suspicions" before this?
Ed Bellis posted... From: LOLContests | #109 Why would you want to *promote* piracy? You can "promote" not supporting organizations like the MPAA and the RIAA. If you're concerned about the artists losing money, don't worry - they're not concerned about it either. This is an interesting read on how musicians pretty much make minimal money (if any) under the RIAA: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100712/23482610186.shtml
There's another one on this site about the MPAA I think, but I haven't read that one.
Obviously that's not the main reason people pirate stuff. But it hammers home the hypocrisy that if these organizations truly cared about protecting the rights of the artists under their care, they would actually support them financially themselves.
What Digi is probably getting at (correct me if I'm wrong) is that promoting piracy in other venues is going to stick it to these guys even more, almost like one of those "you can cut down the leader but the troops can all still fight" things. The "ideals" are still there, living on in other areas. Piracy isn't inherently bad (yeah, I said it).
Some artists *are* concerned about it. And if you care about the little guy, the guys at the factories, the clerks, etc. they care about it too. The fat cats everyone thinks they are sticking it to? They still make sick bank and they'll continue to. What do you think happens to the next wave of contracts - % stays the same and they make less money, or they bump up their % and stick it to everyone else harder?
also the Courtney Love piece is ridiculous. artists sign the contracts. they don't care about taking it in their hands and reforming the industry, they just want to sign the dotted line ASAP. they can't give their IP away fast enough and then have the audacity to claim they were robbed.
I didn't really read it that way at all. I read it as him saying you get to have a tenth of the internet because so much porn is hosted there. Legal and illegal.
correct. there's far more amateur stuff than there is otherwise online. and most of that is free. <_<;
or they come from sites that get shut down and are otherwise in limbo. nobody to hold up the copyright anymore, so... there you go. there's a wide, wide range we're talking here.
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Well when I say studio I mean company, you know any one of those internet ones too RealityKings, Score, over in Japan they're hosted on DMM, etc.
I'm just sayin', as a porn conisseur.... ha what are we talking about. Oh yeah, if porn has been uploaded to megaupload than most of the time it's gonna be pirated stuff from a pay site. And yes to keep this simple I am talking about videos, not collected rars of whatever obscure erotica you're talking about or whatnot.
And again, even talking "amateur", if it's a video it's almost guaranteed it wasn't intended to be released for free. Plus camsites and stuff. Like, could you go into more specifics of what you're talking about?
I love Megaupload, I'm gonna miss it.
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honestly... not really, just have browsed around my share online and never had to pay anything even before megaupload, torrent, etc were around to find pics, videos, etc. nothing really fancy or specific. just porn. guess if there's any category i spent more time than anything else it was probably hentai years ago.
though there's that grey line too in what do you tell someone who has a subscription to the site, but still downloads their stuff from megaupload because it's more convinient, faster, stealthier, and just plain better. works for most other material there too (i've gotten a lot of stuff that i already own from it because it's faster/easier).
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Ha, man I love getting porn for free too, but a lot of what's posted in this topic is baffling. "You know how much porn doesn't come from a studio and is not protected by any kind of law?"
So essentially, if a company or website doesn't have a legal team suing anyone who downloads their stuff, we're considering the porn videos as not protected by any kind of law? Listen, I love it, I like this idea that porn, videos of people ****ing, at some point in less than ten years become public domain. I mean, I ain't complaining, but the concept is funny.
I mean, I don't pay for porn either. I acknowledge that none if it was intended to be free.
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honestly, that business model is the kind of model that wants you to download their stuff. they offer it to you straight up after you subscribe. now i don't know the general terms used by sites - or even if the terms are legal to begin with (sup 'you have 24 hours to delete these roms here') - but the only real way people are gonna find your site is by someone else distributing what they downloaded in the first place, and i'm not sure if that'd be illegal of them to do since they're subscribers (i'd imagine creating backups is fine, therefore the act of just uploading it is legal - which is effectively all that megaupload allows and why they'll be fine) or for you to get since they're giving it to you. general way that business goes is that 'hey you like our stuff, pay our website for more!'
i mean megaupload's legal in either instance since the actual distribution isn't their business but something the personal user does to his backup, but still.
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DigitalIncision posted... Most of amateur porn isn't meant to be released at all. So there's nothing illegal about having it unless it's actively stolen off of somebody's camera phone or something, but that's a different issue altogether. Amateur porn in video form is probably bigger than commercial porn at this point.
Now, assuming we're still taking about videos of people ****ing, more often than not amateur porn is actually designed to look that way and is in fact commercial. Not to kill the illussion.
Also, while this is kind of a vague topic, if amateur porn is actually not commercial and no one is making money, in what way is it bigger than commercial porn? I mean, I know there are amateur chicks out there with nude pic tumblrs or whathaveyou. But if its a video, it's probably from a camsite and is pirated. if its a sex video, c'mon, yadda yadda.
And no, porn sites don't encourage people to upload their full videos so people can take a look and buy more if they want more, that's why videos are taken down if they have the power to get that done.
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Where are you getting that information? Or could you even just explain why you think the majority of porn on there is somehow legal? Because I just don't see how that's possible.
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Ed - I blame the artists for signing such bad contracts. I also think she means to be an advocate for the artist and beseeching the music companies to monetize file sharing, and instead she is used as the launching point (and oftentimes back then, the crux) of arguments defending or encouraging piracy. YOU WANNA TALK PIRACY THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS THE PIRATE. PLEASE PAY YOUR NAPSTER BILL OR SOMETHING.
And to be fair, file sharing has hacked away a lot of jobs even in a world without piracy. It also has added jobs, though piracy doesn't really do much to contribute to that.
the main thing piracy adds that isn't immediate - like site owners, ads, etc - ends up coming from mediums created as a result of it.
i highly doubt we'd have steam, netflix, or itunes if it weren't for piracy in the first place and people/companies thinking 'you know, there are some advantages piracy has that people would be interested in if it were legitimate.'
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Wanglicious posted... the main thing piracy adds that isn't immediate - like site owners, ads, etc - ends up coming from mediums created as a result of it.
i highly doubt we'd have steam, netflix, or itunes if it weren't for piracy in the first place and people/companies thinking 'you know, there are some advantages piracy has that people would be interested in if it were legitimate.'
From: DigitalIncision | #187 I sincerely doubt we'd have Netflix yet. Maybe companies like it, but it'd all be fringe technology, like actual cloud storage was a couple years ago.
I don't follow your logic. You'd think things like downloadable and streaming videos would come faster if anything, since business would be less hesitant to put their media on the internet.
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DeepsPraw posted... From: neonreap | #188 You wouldn't have the innovation of "always online for single player games". That's an innovation? Maybe I'm missing the mark, but isn't that DRM, like what Ubisoft does?
Or do you mean the overlay browser? Because that I could live without.
From: Psycho_Kenshin | #153 I'd just like to point out, while us net denizens take free porn for granted, that is actually piracy just as much.
There's enough legally free porn that you really don't need to resort to piracy unless you really want to delve deeply into very specific stuff, like stuff that's so specific that there's only one site that actually does it. In which case you may have to consider paying for it anyway, because you're probably getting into something that's so niche that nobody bothered to steal it.
There's enough legally free porn that you really don't need to resort to piracy unless you really want to delve deeply into very specific stuff, like stuff that's so specific that there's only one site that actually does it. In which case you may have to consider paying for it anyway, because you're probably getting into something that's so niche that nobody bothered to steal it.
this. my god this. there is so much free porn out there that I've become convinced that you could randomly walk up to any couple on the street and ask "wanna **** on camera?" and 90% of them would say yes. the fact that porn remains profitable in spite of this is amazing.
From: Liquid Wind | #199 There's enough legally free porn that you really don't need to resort to piracy unless you really want to delve deeply into very specific stuff, like stuff that's so specific that there's only one site that actually does it. In which case you may have to consider paying for it anyway, because you're probably getting into something that's so niche that nobody bothered to steal it.
this. my god this. there is so much free porn out there that I've become convinced that you could randomly walk up to any couple on the street and ask "wanna **** on camera?" and 90% of them would say yes. the fact that porn remains profitable in spite of this is amazing.
Eh, I just think a lot of perverts like collecting stuff
Not saying everyone who watches porn are perverts (obviously) but guys who have massive collections of DVDs.. well pretty much
I understand it on some level. I still buy albums even if 99% of my music is pirated (I own like 100 cds legally).