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muddersmilk 01/12/12 9:40:00 AM #451: |
Dr_Football posted...
How accurate do you guys think this map is? http://blogs.thescore.com/wwe/2012/01/11/aftermathblog-presents-the-john-cena-crowd-reaction-map/  Well the Iowa portion is definitely wrong. I was at their house show in Cedar Rapids recently and between that and his reaction in Des Moines Iowa is clearly pro-Cena. -- (Maniac64 at work) Guns don't kill people, Kinder eggs do. I saw it in a post on GameFAQs. ~FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 01/12/12 9:59:00 AM #452: |
From: 14_and_counting | Posted: 1/12/2012 11:38:14 AM | #448 So you literally want a good person to die because you hate his character? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScareChan 01/12/12 10:32:00 AM #453: |
From: JaKyL25 | #444 Debut against Mysterio, the same month against Booker T, his entire feud with Taker and his best match is against Batista at the rumble (which is VERY underrated), From: SmartMuffin | #445 Disagree here. Yes, *******s was way over, but I feel the heel turn was one part loltna and one part it naturally fit Anderson's character to join Immortal to hang onto the title (even though it cost him the title). And as soon as he didn't need their help he immediately turned and went against Bubba. His WWE promo style was similiar to Rocks and his workrate in the ring is actually really close to Rock as well. I agree his injuries cant be overlooked, but the bigger issue was one bad move on Orton. They needed to ride him out, and he needs to come back to WWE. I guarentee a big pop if he bails on TNA and comes back on a random raw. -- Circle gets the Scare! Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with ... Copied to Clipboard!
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edwardsdv 01/12/12 12:13:00 PM #454: |
So I was listening to the radio and MARK MADDEN of all people decided to lay into Michael Cole for his commentary.
The gist of it was this. Madden got fired for burying the faces(especially DDP) as a heel color commentator. Michael Cole does far more damaging burials, all based on factual statements every week and Vince TELLS HIM HOW TO DO IT, which is just the most absurd thing. He says he recognizes now that he was no heenan and he was damaging the talent, but that Cole does the same stuff only far, far worse, especially when it comes to former indy stars like Bryan and Punk. This is like that time Kennedy made fun of Orton for getting injured.... -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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muddersmilk 01/12/12 12:17:00 PM #455: |
At least he acknowledges that he was bad at it too.
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Rad Link 5 01/12/12 1:01:00 PM #456: |
From: edwardsdv | #454 God damn you have got to be kidding me. It's like everything wrong with WWE always leads right back to Vince. It's as though everyone below him is competent and things can only go wrong when he gets involved, which is often. From: JaKyL25 | #447 I'm as big a OOC Cena supporter as anyone, but I'm pretty sure he was just being nice to the guy, not stating his opinion. From: TheRock1525 | #449 Wasn't the lowest rated RAW since 1997 the one right after TLC? Where the IWC Champions celebrated their titles? Well this was a throwaway Raw anyway since it was up against a Bowl Game (which has also been the reason I'm still hopeful for CM Punk getting a microphone and main event time next week), but either way this is good news! Well, not for Zack Ryder it's not. But for CM Punk and Daniel Bryan it is! I've heard for weeks now that Ryder's segments tank hard because casual fans just don't give a crap about the guy. Some say it's his gimmick, others say it's because he's jobbed for so long that suddenly getting all this screen time makes WWE look desperate and depleted of talent to casual viewers, and then some say Ryder really just doesn't have anything worth watching at all and the only reason he's gotten this far is because of the IWC. I'm of the mindset that it's mostly the second with some of the first. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/1804/valdez.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Viktor Vaughn 01/12/12 1:05:00 PM #457: |
From: Rad Link 5 | #456 of course it does. you didn't know that he's talking into the announcers headsets every night? that's why mick foley quit commentary. vince is just constantly ranting into their ears. -- comin to your screen, straight from the magazine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-LPPdHEyA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 01/12/12 1:10:00 PM #458: |
Ryder's first segment with Eve(the very first one, with SUBTLE KANE and all) gained viewers, but his 10 minutes of changing tires lost all the viewers he gained before plus another 400,000 >.>
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JaKyL25 01/12/12 1:13:00 PM #459: |
Taz left for that same reason as well.
EDIT: It does give an extra reason to watch NXT and Superstars though. Vince is only micromanaging the commentary on Raw, SD, and PPVs. Everyone's much looser and IMO better on the smaller shows, with the exception of Regal constantly trying to tiptoe around saying "wrestler" or "wrestling" too much. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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X_Dante_X 01/12/12 1:18:00 PM #460: |
...was there seriously a ten minute segment of ryder trying to change a tire
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Haguile 01/12/12 1:20:00 PM #461: |
Yes. While trying to run away from Kane. And failing because changing tires is too hard. This lost them 500 viewers to the surprise of no one.
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Haguile 01/12/12 1:20:00 PM #462: |
500,000* >.>
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Rad Link 5 01/12/12 1:21:00 PM #463: |
From: Viktor Vaughn | #457 I'd heard that, but I didn't think he specifically was telling Michael Cole to bury people. I figured he was just letting Michael Cole do it. Jesus no wonder commentary is so awful. Doesn't he have more important things to do than rant into the announcer's ears. Do Brie Bella and Mark Henry have to put up with this crap when they're on commentary? Even CM Punk? From: Haguile | #458 To be fair, it was kind of hilarious, but that's obviously not what they were going for. I must ask, where do you find these numbers though? I've long wanted to see segment-by-segment ratings for Raw. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5783/3989110m.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 01/12/12 1:25:00 PM #464: |
I just see people repost it from the Observer Newsletter on random forums.
This is the one from this week: aw on 1/9 got hammered by the second most watched television show in the history of cable television. The Alabama vs. LSU BCS championship football game did a 16.22 rating and 24.21 million viewers. The only show in the history of cable to do more viewers was last year’s BCS championship game on January 10, 2011, with Oregon vs. Auburn that did a 17.76 rating and 27.32 million viewers. The third biggest would be an October 5, 2009, edition of Monday Night Football that did a 15.3 rating and 21.84 million viewers. While Raw was a blah show, most people knew ahead of time it was a show where you shouldn’t throw too much out because any kind of big angle would be wasted and should be saved for 1/16, when the January ratings bounce back should start building for the next three weeks. If that doesn’t happen, then it’s something to worry about. The show did a 2.86 rating and 4.00 million viewers. It was 9th for the night on cable, with four of the eight shows that beat them being related to coverage of the game in some form. Notable is that NCIS, the show at 8 p.m. on USA, did 4.18 million viewers (the game started at 8:30 p.m. but the pre-game show on ESPN did monster numbers as well). But NCIS doesn’t draw the heavy male demo that both football and pro wrestling do. NCIS beating Raw I think has only happened once. The show did a 2.5 in Male teens (up 9%), a 2.7 in Males 18-49 (down 4%), 1.3 in Women teens (up 44%) and 1.1 in Women 18-49 (down 8%). The show did 68.7% male viewers. In the segment-by-segment, Sheamus & Santino Marella vs. Wade Barrett & Jinder Mahal lost 238,000 viewers. Edge Hall of Fame package, Zack Ryder and Eve Torres backstage and Daniel Bryan vs. Kofi Kingston gained 100,000 viewers. The debut of Brodus Clay vs. Curt Hawkins plus Miz trying to recruit Primo & Epico lost 82,000 viewers. C.M. Punk vs. Jack Swagger gained 128,000 viewers and did a 3.00 rating in the 10 p.m. slot, which is terrible for the slot. Backstage stuff with Bellas and Miz and Ricardo Rodriguez, Cena and Ryder and the Four Horsemen vignette lost 193,000 viewers, which is actually much better than that segment usually does. The segment with R-Truth beating on Rodriguez and the Miz/R-Truth brawl, plus the second appearance of the mute Chris Jericho lost 130,000 viewers. Okay, this is something that is noteworthy. Eve Torres in the ring, Kane’s music hitting, Ryder trying to save her, getting her in the car and trying to change the tire lost 544,000 viewers and did a 2.39 quarter. To lose that many viewers that late in the show before the main event is something significant. And John Cena vs. Dolph Ziggler and the conclusion of that segment gained 640,000 viewers, which is normal level, but it still was only a 2.84 overrun, which is the second lowest overrun figure (even the show that did a 2.71 in September hit 3.03 for the overrun), behind only the week they did Punk & Bryan & Ziggler in the trios match, dating back to 1997. As far as growth for Cena vs. Ziggler, Male teens went from 2.4 to 2.6, Males 18-49 from 2.3 to 2.6, Teenage girls from 1.0 to 1.2 and Women 18-49 from 0.8 to 1.0. So...Ryder and Eve=viewers, Ryder and Cena=no viewers, and Ryder changing a tire=ARE YOU SERIOUS BRO? Pretty much all segments last raw lost viewers, including the Funkassaurus, which I find rather sad. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chronic1000 01/12/12 1:26:00 PM #465: |
If Ryder's tire changing actually lost 500,000 viewers, then he actually lost less than the whole Triple H/Johnny Ace GM reveal crap a few months back (which was 600,000? 700,000 viewers? lost in the span of a few minutes.)
That's something at least! -- Vote in the Best Wrestling Theme Song Contest! In the not too distant future/Next Sunday A.D. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 01/12/12 1:27:00 PM #466: |
From: Rad Link 5 | #463 I can't imagine Punk would listen to Vince if he wanted Punk to say something Punk disagreed with. Supposedly Vince's absolute biggest pet peeve, even moreso than calling title belts "belts," is excessive pronoun usage. He DEMANDS proper nouns whenever possible. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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muddersmilk 01/12/12 1:28:00 PM #467: |
Even CM Punk?
Now there's a lost cause. I can just see Vince trying to tell him stuff and Punk ignoring every word of it. -- (Maniac64 at work) Guns don't kill people, Kinder eggs do. I saw it in a post on GameFAQs. ~FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 01/12/12 1:32:00 PM #468: |
From: Chronic1000 | Posted: 1/12/2012 4:26:38 PM | #465 And divas matches always lose viewers too, so there's that. ...Man. If Ryder changing a tire combined with a divas match didn't lose as much viewers as the GM reveal crap a few months did, that just goes to show how much people disliked that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 01/12/12 1:32:00 PM #469: |
According to Foley's book, when they gave Foley his new role as an announcer, they also cut his paycheck down to "beginning announcer" levels without telling him.
I wonder if that happened to Punk last year. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rad Link 5 01/12/12 1:32:00 PM #470: |
I actually expected more lost viewers for the Funkassaurus, so I'm willing to take that as a success!
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Haguile 01/12/12 1:36:00 PM #471: |
Funkassaurus lost less viewers than Jericho did.
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Viktor Vaughn 01/12/12 1:37:00 PM #472: |
From: Haguile | #471 why the hell wouldn't it -- comin to your screen, straight from the magazine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-LPPdHEyA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 01/12/12 1:37:00 PM #473: |
From: Haguile | #468 Really? I was under the assumption that they gained viewers. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 01/12/12 1:40:00 PM #474: |
From: JaKyL25 | Posted: 1/12/2012 4:37:57 PM | #473 Are...you serious bro? >.> just googled some random raw segments rating and got this: "In the segment breakdown, the show's opening quarter did a nice 3.85 rating but the second part of the Triple H and Kevin Nash angle lost 612,000 viewers. Randy Orton and Sheamus vs. Christian and Cody Rhodes gained 232,000 of those viewers back while Santino Marella vs. Dolph Ziggler lost 445,000 more. The segment with CM Punk, Alberto Del Rio and John Laurinaitis gained 466,000 viewers while Alicia Fox vs. Natalya lost a whopping 981,000 viewers. John Morrison vs. Wade Barrett gained 16,000 viewers and the main event of John Cena vs. The Miz and R-Truth gained 723,000 viewers bringing the overrun to a 3.42 rating." The 30 minute opening promos are not working, they could've done the nash thing in 15 minutes hence the lost in viewers. Nice to see the tag match got like a 3.6 rating. And ADR and Punk were able to get some viewers back. They got but raped by the divas match. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chronic1000 01/12/12 1:41:00 PM #475: |
They should hire Daffney if they want Diva matches to gain ratings.
Well, I'd at least pay MORE attention to Diva matches if she was around >_>. -- Vote in the Best Wrestling Theme Song Contest! In the not too distant future/Next Sunday A.D. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 01/12/12 1:42:00 PM #476: |
To be fair, Kharma was gaining tons of viewers back when she was around. It's just that the current divas division kind of sucks.
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JaKyL25 01/12/12 1:44:00 PM #477: |
Big Johnny comments on the blown call on Raw:
“Clearly, the referee made an incorrect call,” Laurinaitis said when a WWE.com reporter caught up with him immediately after the match in the locker room. “To be fair, I’m giving Swagger a title match next week.” LOL http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/2012-01-09/laurinaitis-recognizes-ref-call -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 01/12/12 1:45:00 PM #478: |
A title match against an INJURED RYDER.
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JaKyL25 01/12/12 1:48:00 PM #479: |
If they do I doubt it's due to ratings, failing in the main event slot doesn't equate to "doesn't deserve to be secondary Champion."
Secondary titles exist to ELEVATE people to the main event. If they were already main event draws they'd be in that title hunt! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kirby Driver Reborn 01/12/12 1:48:00 PM #480: |
the divas division is terrible right now. this is the worst I remember it being in all the time I remember there being a "diva division". I guess since Sable? I don't know. but it's awful. they have 2 girls with any semblance of wrestling ability (Beth and Nattie), and they have one of them job out every week to a random scrub like Fox or K2. Eve is ok sometimes.
who would want to watch 30 second matches between these people? anybody who cares about women's wrestling will go somewhere else to watch it. TNA's Knockout Division is way better, and of course there's SHIMMER and stuff like that. -- Fly Eagles Fly, on the Road to Victory! http://last.fm/user/xdevilbunny || http://rateyourmusic.com/~VelociBrad ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 01/12/12 1:48:00 PM #481: |
Or am I trying to be too logical again?
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Rad Link 5 01/12/12 1:49:00 PM #482: |
Yeah, I thought it was strange when people were claiming the Diva's were ratings spikes. Although to be fair, if there's one Diva I couldn't care less about, it's Alicia Fox, so that nearly one million viewers lost may well be misleading. I'm gonna look up the numbers on Tamina I think, because she's really impressed me.
From: JaKyL25 | #477 At first I was like "What the hell?". But he means a US Title Match, right. Since that was already advertised last week. "To be fair, I'm not doing anything." -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i54.tinypic.com/eajnl2.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathChicken 01/12/12 1:49:00 PM #483: |
When is Layla supposed to be back? Seems like she's been injured forever
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JaKyL25 01/12/12 1:50:00 PM #484: |
From: Kirby Driver Reborn | #480 There was a point in time where they were running The Kat vs. Harvey Whippleman for the Women's Title. THAT is the bottom of that bottle. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kirby Driver Reborn 01/12/12 1:51:00 PM #485: |
From: JaKyL25 | #484 oh god I forgot about that. but when The Kat was around, didn't they also have Stacy, Torrie and Tori? or was that a different time frame? From: DeathChicken | #483 soon I think. she tore her ACL and MCL. pretty nasty injury. -- Fly Eagles Fly, on the Road to Victory! http://last.fm/user/xdevilbunny || http://rateyourmusic.com/~VelociBrad ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 01/12/12 1:51:00 PM #486: |
From: JaKyL25 | Posted: 1/12/2012 4:48:34 PM | #481 Far too logical for the WWE. Good chance they go "SOMEHOW RYDER WITH A TITLE IS WORSE THAN RYDER WITHOUT A TITLE." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 01/12/12 1:51:00 PM #487: |
From: Rad Link 5 | #482 Yes, he means the US Title match, but that wasn't announced until after the ref blew the call, and the quote says that John made that decision immediately following Punk vs. Swagger. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathChicken 01/12/12 1:51:00 PM #488: |
That would have been around the time Chyna was killing everyone, I guess. So...Ivory was around?
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Rad Link 5 01/12/12 1:52:00 PM #489: |
From: JaKyL25 | #487 But the ref's botched call was an actual botch. So it was just sort of a happy coincidence, I think. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i56.tinypic.com/j952zk.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 01/12/12 1:54:00 PM #490: |
Yeah, over a stretch of a year, the Women's Champions were:
Sable Debra Ivory (x2) Moolah (in 1999!) The Kat Harvey Whippleman Jacqueline Steph Ivory and Jacqueline are legit, but other than that...whoo doggie. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rad Link 5 01/12/12 1:55:00 PM #491: |
Speaking of Chyna, it looks like her strip show was a decent success for her first time dancing.
I'd compare her dancing ability to Hulk Hogan's wrestling ability. She was not too great technically, but able to put on a show and use what she has to entertain to get the crowd to react loudly. Also she danced to DX's theme, which is the thing I probably find most amusing about the whole story. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i55.tinypic.com/16ljqbl.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bryans7 01/12/12 1:57:00 PM #492: |
Dr. Aaron Perlut, Chairman of the American Mustache Institute, says he is upset with Hulk Hogan's plans to shave off his mustache, saying Hogan is "seen as a longtime leading figure in the sexually dynamic Mustached American community."
Perlut says, "Not only would the removal of his lower nose foliage cause angels in heaven to die and fall to earth -- as is written in biblical texts -- but it would send a poor message to young people of Mustached American descent who wish to embrace the Mustached American experience." "We do hope that Mr. Hogan, for whom we have great reverence, reconsiders shaving his upper lip shading device as millions of those he has inspired would be greatly let down, leading to mass chaos and deep bouts of depression in the Mustached American community." -- 0-12 you are peathice ... Copied to Clipboard!
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edwardsdv 01/12/12 1:59:00 PM #493: |
If Ryder really is hurt, it is concievable they'd put the strap on swagger.
Ryder's not in a midcard feudand hecan play cenas wingman without actually wrestling. Plus brodus, mason, and a ry areall faces and conveniently also theonly guys also in the midcard at all. JTG and Tyson Kidd not withstanding -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 01/12/12 1:59:00 PM #494: |
Blood Runs Old
http://www.wwe.com/superstars/wherearetheynow/where-are-they-now-glacier “I knew Ray Lloyd from WCW when my dad used to bring me around there,” [Cody] Rhodes told WWE.com. “But I was quite surprised when I found out he was going to be the health and lacrosse coach at my high school.” -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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edwardsdv 01/12/12 1:59:00 PM #495: |
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muddersmilk 01/12/12 2:00:00 PM #496: |
That...that's a joke institute or something right?
No way it can be serious with things like "lower nose foliage" and "upper lip shading device". -- (Maniac64 at work) Guns don't kill people, Kinder eggs do. I saw it in a post on GameFAQs. ~FAHtastic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chronic1000 01/12/12 2:00:00 PM #497: |
You know, a thought just occurred to me. Maybe in the WWE logic, hiring models instead of actual wrestling trained women = success for their product. Think about it for a minute. In the last few years, what former Divas have some semblance of mainstream media attention? Candice Michelle (Go-Daddy ads/Playboy), Stacy Keibler (Dancing With the Stars/boinking George Clooney) and Torrie Wilson (Playboy Twice, now boinking Alex Rodriguez.) None of these women were hired based on previous wrestling experience, yet they have found success elsewhere.
Maybe WWE hires models so that, once they find popularity while either still under the WWE contract or after being released, they can use the "we found them, therefore we should get credit" card. They hope the K2's, Eve's, and other models they got fall under the same path, hence why they are pushed constantly. Or you know, maybe I'm thinking too much into this. -- Vote in the Best Wrestling Theme Song Contest! In the not too distant future/Next Sunday A.D. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 01/12/12 2:02:00 PM #498: |
No, you're pretty much right.
They stopped caring about making the Divas divsion centered around wrestling sometime in the middle of last decade. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScareChan 01/12/12 2:02:00 PM #499: |
Kelly, Layla, and Brooke doing Playboy would have set them up as draws for years to come. I forget why it fell through.
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Rad Link 5 01/12/12 2:03:00 PM #500: |
Everybody taps.
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