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KingButz
01/03/12 3:06:00 PM
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57350990-503544/santorum-targets-blacks-in-entitlement-reform/?tag=re1.galleries

At a campaign stop in Sioux City, Iowa on Sunday, Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum singled out blacks as being recipients of assistance through federal benefit programs, telling a mostly-white audience he doesn't want to "make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money."


And this guy may win the Iowa Caucus. Ugh republicans

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_Regaro_
01/03/12 3:09:00 PM
#2:


I haven't followed it very closely in the past month or so, but since when was Santorum a legit contender to win anything?

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SlymDayspring
01/03/12 3:09:00 PM
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Man, if only he had been making gamechanging comments like this a week or two ago, he would probably be polling in first.

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Leebo86
01/03/12 3:10:00 PM
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From: _Regaro_ | #002
I haven't followed it very closely in the past month or so, but since when was Santorum a legit contender to win anything?


In the last week or so he surged in Iowa, but not anywhere else.

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tee316
01/03/12 3:10:00 PM
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From: _Regaro_ | #002
I haven't followed it very closely in the past month or so, but since when was Santorum a legit contender to win anything?


He has been gaining since Newt started to fall.
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_Regaro_
01/03/12 3:11:00 PM
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From: tee316 | #005
He has been gaining since Newt started to fall.


This doesn't surprise me, sadly. The entire thing has been "one guy passes up Romney in the polls, then crashes" rinse and repeat ad infinitum

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SlymDayspring
01/03/12 3:12:00 PM
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he still is not a legit contender to WIN anything. He is just a solid third place.

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OmarsComin
01/03/12 3:13:00 PM
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because Republicans don't want to vote for Romney but every time they focus in on someone else they realize that most of the people running for the nomination are awful people
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Revenus
01/03/12 3:15:00 PM
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There's a reason why he's the former senator from PA. Horrible senator, will make a horrible nominee.

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Xuxon
01/03/12 3:15:00 PM
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more than likely third even in Iowa, yeah, but he's polling close enough to first that he does have a shot at winning.

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KingButz
01/03/12 3:22:00 PM
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Yeah he's an outside shot but if enough tea party republicans jump from Gingrich and Bachmann's sinking ships to his, he could take Iowa.

And then get brutally raped in NH, probably.

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Xeramako
01/03/12 3:32:00 PM
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you know, the statement he made could actually be a totally reasonable thing to say if followed up with something appropriate or in a certain context.

i'm sure this particular quote has neither of these qualities, though.
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PartOfYourWorld
01/03/12 3:36:00 PM
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From: Xeramako | #012
you know, the statement he made could actually be a totally reasonable thing to say if followed up with something appropriate or in a certain context.

i'm sure this particular quote has neither of these qualities, though.


The full quote:

"I don't want to make black people's lives better, I want to make them worse!"

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YetAnothrShadow
01/03/12 3:39:00 PM
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Wow, This was made completely less interesting when I watched the video to get the full context.

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TheArkOfTurus
01/03/12 3:39:00 PM
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"I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money; I want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money."

Is the full quote. I'm sure they appreciate the opportunity.

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KingButz
01/03/12 3:40:00 PM
#16:


From: PartOfYourWorld | #013
The full quote:

"I don't want to make black people's lives better, I want to make them worse!"


In his defense, here is the full quote:

"I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money. I want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money and provide for themselves and their families."

The controversy though is that when talking about welfare recipients he singled out blacks.

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OmarsComin
01/03/12 3:42:00 PM
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The full quote doesn't make him look any better.
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EmDubyaSee
01/03/12 3:44:00 PM
#18:


From: KingButz | #016
In his defense, here is the full quote:

"I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money. I want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money and provide for themselves and their families."

The controversy though is that when talking about welfare recipients he singled out blacks.




WTH is that controversial exactly?


I mean, if I am LOWBALLING this, they are 75% of that system.

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crazyisgood
01/03/12 3:44:00 PM
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As he says right after that that he wants to give them the opportunity to earn their own money Sounds like a good idea to me.
Let people earn money for themselves

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red sox 777
01/03/12 3:46:00 PM
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I don't like the scapegoating of welfare recipients. Welfare recipients receive a tiny percentage of the country's funds. Our problems will not go away if you cut them off. There may very well be no economic gains at all.

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OmarsComin
01/03/12 3:46:00 PM
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Right. Because it is white people's money. And the government is stealing it to give it to black people. That's how this works. He's describing reality.

It sounds okay for all of two seconds until you actually think about it and realize he's really saying "I want to cut taxes on the rich and pay for them by cutting social programs that help poor people."
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EmDubyaSee
01/03/12 3:49:00 PM
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From: OmarsComin | #021
Right. Because it is white people's money. And the government is stealing it to give it to black people. That's how this works. He's describing reality.

It sounds okay for all of two seconds until you actually think about it and realize he's really saying "I want to cut taxes on the rich and pay for them by cutting social programs that help poor people."




If you have been on welfare for more than 2 years, and are not even ATTEMPTING to find a job, you should be cut off of welfare. Period. He is right on this. They cost this country a ton of money.

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red sox 777
01/03/12 3:49:00 PM
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It sounds okay for all of two seconds until you actually think about it and realize he's really saying "I want to cut taxes on the rich and pay for them by cutting social programs that help poor people."

What if this sounds reasonable but the other statement you gave doesn't?

But anyway, if you want to cut spending, you have to cut the things we actually spend lots of money on. Bailouts to large banks. Social Security. The Military. Medicare.

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KingButz
01/03/12 3:55:00 PM
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From: EmDubyaSee | #018
WTH is that controversial exactly?


I mean, if I am LOWBALLING this, they are 75% of that system.


From the same article:

CBS News found that of the people on food stamps in Iowa, only nine percent are black and 84 percent are white.

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red sox 777
01/03/12 3:58:00 PM
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Well, Iowa is like 95%+ white, isn't it?

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Iamdead7
01/03/12 4:00:00 PM
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From: EmDubyaSee | #018
WTH is that controversial exactly?


I mean, if I am LOWBALLING this, they are 75% of that system.


100% false

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SupremeZero
01/03/12 4:01:00 PM
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From: KingButz | #024
From the same article:

CBS News found that of the people on food stamps in Iowa, only nine percent are black and 84 percent are white.


That would be because it's IOWA.

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KingButz
01/03/12 4:03:00 PM
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Ah, Iowa is only 3% black. my bad.

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EmDubyaSee
01/03/12 4:03:00 PM
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Iamdead7 posted...
From: EmDubyaSee | #018
WTH is that controversial exactly?


I mean, if I am LOWBALLING this, they are 75% of that system.
100% false




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LOLContests
01/03/12 4:06:00 PM
#30:


Even if Iowa is only 3% black, a threefold increase to nine percent would put the number of blacks on welfare nationwide nowhere near a majority, let alone 75%.

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Wanglicious
01/03/12 4:07:00 PM
#31:


i thought we all agreed that chris rock solved this argument like 10 years ago.
the nation's only like 10% black across some 9 regions or so.

most of the nation's white.
there's probably more people on welfare or food stamps than there are black people.

that system is full of white trash and blacks are a minority there too.

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EmDubyaSee
01/03/12 4:09:00 PM
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LOLContests posted...
Even if Iowa is only 3% black, a threefold increase to nine percent would put the number of blacks on welfare nationwide nowhere near a majority, let alone 75%.

If we are just going white vs black (I have no doubt that ilegal immigrants have a ton) they are pulling 3 out of 4 easy.

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red sox 777
01/03/12 4:11:00 PM
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Not necessarily. States like Iowa may have very low percentages of people on unemployment overall. If most of the people on welfare nationally come from a few states with a high black population (say, New York, South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, California, Michigan), you could get to a much higher percentage by doing the tripling calculation in each state rather than just tripling nationally.

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red sox 777
01/03/12 4:13:00 PM
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I seriously doubt 75% though. I doubt you could get to 75% even not including Hispanics and other races.

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Iamdead7
01/03/12 4:15:00 PM
#35:


From: EmDubyaSee | #029
Iamdead7 posted...
From: EmDubyaSee | #018
WTH is that controversial exactly?


I mean, if I am LOWBALLING this, they are 75% of that system.
100% false




Oh, this is surprising, a liberal socialist defending this.


Defending what? The gut guess that blacks make up a huge majority of welfare recipients is not only false, it's also horribly racist


It also ignores the fact that blacks and poorer because the white majority kept them that way for over a century.

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Wanglicious
01/03/12 4:19:00 PM
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there are more poor white people than there are black people too. <_<;
i mean yes, proportionate to each other blacks do make up a high amount (if you make up 30% of the pie and are 10% of the population, well...) which is why that stereotype exists, but just by raw numbers can't really see whites not leading that one too.

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masterplum
01/03/12 4:19:00 PM
#37:


From: SlymDayspring | #003
Man, if only he had been making gamechanging comments like this a week or two ago, he would probably be polling in first.


That's pretty offensive man, your implying that everyone who agrees with Republican ideology is a racist. I resent that.

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OmarsComin
01/03/12 4:19:00 PM
#38:



But anyway, if you want to cut spending, you have to cut the things we actually spend lots of money on. Bailouts to large banks. Social Security. The Military. Medicare.


nah that sounds silly

let's cut education and funding for the arts instead

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SupremeZero
01/03/12 4:20:00 PM
#39:


From: OmarsComin | #038

But anyway, if you want to cut spending, you have to cut the things we actually spend lots of money on. Bailouts to large banks. Social Security. The Military. Medicare.


nah that sounds silly

let's cut education and funding for the arts instead

wait do we pay scientists to do anything? cut that too.


Oh, and cut pay to government officials. By a negative amount. That's a cut, right?

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PrinceKaro
01/03/12 4:21:00 PM
#40:


I think that its already been well established that Santorum is a nutjob.

The guy thinks that adultery should be a criminal offense, and that liberalism causes pedophilia.

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th3l3fty
01/03/12 4:22:00 PM
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old numbers, but

http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p60-222.pdf

in 2002, 10.2% of whites were below poverty level compared to 24.1% of blacks, but it was about a 3:1 ratio of white:black

I doubt the numbers have changed radically since

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Wanglicious
01/03/12 4:23:00 PM
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The guy thinks that adultery should be a criminal offense, and that liberalism causes pedophilia.

ib he gets caught banging dudes.

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Wanglicious
01/03/12 4:24:00 PM
#43:


...you doubt the numbers have changed of a 9 year old poll where we had a national collapse in the economy and multiple industires have gotten torn to sheads.

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th3l3fty
01/03/12 4:25:00 PM
#44:


ratio-wise!

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Wanglicious
01/03/12 4:28:00 PM
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ratio wise it wouldn't make sense either! the industries killed would be the ones overwhelmingly white.

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EndOfDiscOne
01/03/12 4:30:00 PM
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It doesn't even sound like he's saying "black." It just sounds like he's stuttering when he says "peoples' lives"

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Cloud and Squall
01/03/12 4:36:00 PM
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I don't see much wrong with what he said. Maybe just singling out black people, but black people have been historically at a disadvantage in the past when it comes to job opportunities.

Welfare isn't a large part of the debt, I'm sure. But... uh wouldn't they get more money if they had the opportunities available to make more money? This isn't just about how much money is spent. But how much money they take in. I'd imagine their lives would be better with a job, than on Welfare. And then hey -- they'd have more money to spend.

It's also part of why we should be raising the minimum wage right now.

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SmartMuffin
01/03/12 4:37:00 PM
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Perfectly valid and legitimate statement which I 100% agree with.

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OmarsComin
01/03/12 4:37:00 PM
#49:


Welfare isn't a large part of the debt, I'm sure. But... uh wouldn't they get more money if they had the opportunities available to make more money? This isn't just about how much money is spent. But how much money they take in. I'd imagine their lives would be better with a job, than on Welfare. And then hey -- they'd have more money to spend.

The question is "how does he intend to do that?" It'd be great if more jobs existed and they paid better. I don't think anything Santorum would suggest would actually accomplish those things.
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OmarsComin
01/03/12 4:38:00 PM
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get back to work on your list smartmuffin plz
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