Board 8 > Adopt an Atheist, save them from being "good for nothing".

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whatisurnameplz
12/10/11 10:14:00 AM
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From: masterplum | #010
Why do these websites constantly make my religion look stupider?



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12/10/11 10:15:00 AM
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I think people's problem lies not so much in the fact that people are trying to convert non-believers to Christianity, but the attitude that atheists are "bad" and "sinners."

Just because your method is good doesn't mean everyone else's is bad.

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TVontheRadio
12/10/11 10:21:00 AM
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it's pretty much laid out clear in the bible! john 3:16 onwards and like the entire book of ecclesiastes!

doesn't matter how good of a person you are, don't believe in jesus christ as god and as your ONE AND ONLY savior, ultimately no point in whatever you do since that doesn't contribute to the furthering of "god's kingdom" and you'll be burning in hell for eternity!

morality, as they believe in it, cannot stand without the existence of an ultimate arbiter of what is good and what is evil and that arbiter is none other than jesus

christians not believing in that are heavily HEAVILY twisting scripture or are ignorant!

and i'm pretty damn sure that it's widely agreed upon christiandom that it is ultimately scripture that dictates what real christianity is!

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Leebo86
12/10/11 10:47:00 AM
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lol

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red sox 777
12/10/11 10:53:00 AM
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Death by drowning is a tangible thing that we know kills people and is horrifically painful - if you walk by a beach and someone is drowning, of course you should help them. But nobody - not Christians or atheists or whoever - knows what happens when we die. People believe things, but it's not the same as knowing, and watching somebody physically, tangibly drown in front of you is vastly different from assuming that something might happen if a person doesn't believe something a specific way.

What's the difference between believing in something and knowing something? If you don't know something to be true, do you really believe it?

And it hardly even matters in this case, because even if we don't think that belief should be treated the same as knowledge, belief is quite sufficient to try to convince someone else about said belief.

Remember, you NEVER EVER EVER have the right not to be offended. You ALWAYS have the right to offend people. That is freedom of speech, and that is possibly the most important principle our society stands on. I do not begrudge Atheists their right to try to convert Christians. Obviously I don't like it if they succeed, but they have an absolute right to do it. It is moreover not just what they have a right to do, but what their honest belief tells them to do. If they didn't really believe in Atheism and were still trying to convert people to it, that would be pretty lousy IMO, although they would still have the right to do it.

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red sox 777
12/10/11 10:54:00 AM
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I think people's problem lies not so much in the fact that people are trying to convert non-believers to Christianity, but the attitude that atheists are "bad" and "sinners."

Just because your method is good doesn't mean everyone else's is bad.


That is exactly what the Bible tells us. Everyone is bad. (Including Christians, actually).

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Leebo86
12/10/11 10:57:00 AM
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Ah, the Bible. Good ole Bible.

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red sox 777
12/10/11 11:00:00 AM
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Also: whoever is not for us is against us (paraphrasing here).

The idea that one religion is true and all else is false may seem harsh, but if you think about it, it makes complete sense and is the only possible way a religion could be true. Because different religions and non-religions claim different things. Contradictory things. They cannot possibly all be true. Indeed, only one of them can be true. With Christianity and Atheism, either God exists, or God doesn't exist. There's no middle ground here, there's no room for both to be right. It's impossible, and if you try to hold such a position, you're holding a logically false position.

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SubDeity
12/10/11 11:01:00 AM
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I don't see what's silly or bad about this.

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Mr Lasastryke
12/10/11 11:07:00 AM
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What's bad about this is that atheists get highly annoyed whenever Christians try to convert them. I know I do, at least.

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KingBartz
12/10/11 11:20:00 AM
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From: masterplum | #032
I was generalizing to Christianity.


I wouldn't consider Mormons to be "christian"

/trollface

Also, just to add to the discussion, there can only be one truth, really. A god cannot both exist and not exist. God either exists or he doesn't. Same thing with every other deity.

As for atheism, I wouldn't call it a religion, but it is a set of beliefs. There are some people who are fanatical atheists, and some who are not.

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Haguile
12/10/11 11:23:00 AM
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From: Gr8CyberMonkey | Posted: 12/10/2011 12:29:31 PM | #046
gogo Apatheism


Apatheistics, unite!

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GuessMyUserName
12/10/11 11:24:00 AM
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From: red sox 777 | Posted: 12/10/2011 2:00:56 PM | #060
Also: whoever is not for us is against us.




Christianity is Sith?

that sounds about right

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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/10/11 11:29:00 AM
#66:


Also, just to add to the discussion, there can only be one truth, really. A god cannot both exist and not exist. God either exists or he doesn't. Same thing with every other deity.

Wrong. God can both exist and not exist... that is to say, the character of "God" as portrayed in the Bible doesn't exist, but an actual higher being that the writers of the Bible attempted to protray (but failed miserably at) does exist (but is so far from the Biblical "God" in nature that it seems ridiculous to refer to it as "God.")

That's a scenario in which God both exists and does not exist and it's actually what I believe for the most part (or believe to be plausible or at least "on the right track")

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Mr Lasastryke
12/10/11 12:13:00 PM
#67:


As for atheism, I wouldn't call it a religion, but it is a set of beliefs.

It's not a set of beliefs, as the only thing you have to believe to be called an atheist is that deities don't exist. And it makes more sense to call this a lack of belief than a belief.

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Gr8CyberMonkey
12/10/11 12:50:00 PM
#68:


Atheism is a religion in the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby.

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Crossfiyah
12/10/11 1:20:00 PM
#69:


Gr8CyberMonkey posted...
Atheism is a religion in the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby.

Metaphor of the day right here.

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red sox 777
12/10/11 1:23:00 PM
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A lack of belief in God is quite different from a belief in the lack of God.

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Crossfiyah
12/10/11 1:24:00 PM
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Not practically, no. It's really a matter of how vehemently you're willing to defend your position.

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GuessMyUserName
12/10/11 1:25:00 PM
#72:


CROSSFIYAAAAAAH!

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Panthera
12/10/11 1:35:00 PM
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From: red sox 777 | #070
A lack of belief in God is quite different from a belief in the lack of God.


And both fall under the umbrella of atheism (obviously, since the latter category is clearly a subset of the former), since the former is all the term means. People who think it's a religion in any way are completely bonkers.

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red sox 777
12/10/11 1:39:00 PM
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Only an affirmative belief in the nonexistence of God can qualify as a religion.

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Leebo86
12/10/11 1:44:00 PM
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From: red sox 777 | #074
Only an affirmative belief in the nonexistence of God can qualify as a religion.


And there are plenty of atheists who do not have an "affirmative belief in the nonexistence of God".

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beavis666x2
12/10/11 1:46:00 PM
#76:


God is dead.

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Panthera
12/10/11 1:48:00 PM
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From: red sox 777 | #074
Only an affirmative belief in the nonexistence of God can qualify as a religion.


No, pretty sure one singular belief does not constitute a religion. Being in favour of legalized marijuana is not a religion. Enjoying playing with kittens is not a religion. To be a religion there actually has to be some sort of structure or unity, not just agreement on a single issue.

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GuessMyUserName
12/10/11 1:50:00 PM
#78:


You don't believe in a negative.

You don't believe something isn't true, you just don't believe something is true.

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red sox 777
12/10/11 1:51:00 PM
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And there are plenty of atheists who do not have an "affirmative belief in the nonexistence of God".

In which case they can correctly claim that they do not have a religion.

Panthera: If that's the case, then many Christians could say they were not part of a religion also. To be a Christian you have to profess a very small number of beliefs.

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MoogleKupo141
12/10/11 1:54:00 PM
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Perhaps the same could be said of all religions.

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red sox 777
12/10/11 1:55:00 PM
#81:


You don't believe in a negative.

Of course we can believe in negatives. We do it all the time. It will not rain today, so let's go hiking. I don't know what I got on the exam, but I know I didn't fail, so I'm going to graduate. Apple stock is not going to hit $500 within the next week so I'm going to write calls for it.

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Panthera
12/10/11 1:56:00 PM
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From: red sox 777 | #079
Panthera: If that's the case, then many Christians could say they were not part of a religion also. To be a Christian you have to profess a very small number of beliefs.


No, I mean that there has to be some sort of structure or unifying belief between everyone that's actually established in some way. You can have no contact with other Christians but still follow the established beliefs and practices (well, the ones that don't require priests and such) it has. There is nothing like that for atheism unless you want to claim that liking chocolate chip cookies is a religion because it's something people think. And some definitions of religion probably would rule out people who were utterly isolated from anyone else of their belief system. It's not like "religion" is a perfectly cut and dry term, but the one thing everyone should be able to agree on is that there needs to be more to it than "we agree about something" or else you've broadened the term to the point that it has no use.

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12/10/11 1:57:00 PM
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red sox 777
12/10/11 2:00:00 PM
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Well, I'm okay with that, but I'd argue that Christianity isn't really a religion then. The requirements to be a Christian are simple: believe that Jesus died for your sins and accept him as your lord and savior. Hermits who lived on rock pillars in the desert were Christians, and rightly so. I don't like excessively organized religion so I rather like this line of thinking.

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Panthera
12/10/11 2:07:00 PM
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From: red sox 777 | #084
Well, I'm okay with that, but I'd argue that Christianity isn't really a religion then. The requirements to be a Christian are simple: believe that Jesus died for your sins and accept him as your lord and savior. Hermits who lived on rock pillars in the desert were Christians, and rightly so. I don't like excessively organized religion so I rather like this line of thinking.


The fact that there are "requirements" is a pretty big indicator that it might be a religion. It demands you change your life in the name of a higher power to qualify as a member of its group and get benefits from it. This position is ignoring the existence of the Bible and all the various traditions associated with the system. It's possible that a specific persons version of Christianity might be on the line between religion and not-religion, but Christianity as a whole is pretty clearly *not* just "believe this", undeniably there are way more elements to it.

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12/10/11 2:14:00 PM
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12/10/11 2:14:00 PM
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What happens to those in remote places who live and die never knowing about Christianity? Do they go to hell or heaven?

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Leebo86
12/10/11 2:20:00 PM
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Neither.

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