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OctilIery
10/09/11 3:10:00 AM
#1:


Wasn't a full on bite, I was just playing with him and he grazed my leg with his teeth.

But being a Pit Bull, even a graze is enough to draw blood, although it's not particularly bad other than having bled lightly for the last few hours.

This ought to be fun to deal with :3

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VincentLauw
10/09/11 5:45:00 AM
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I'll never understand people keeping Pit Bulls or similar dogs as pets.

That's like buying a ticking time bomb.



(probably just me)

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Oxbridge
10/09/11 5:54:00 AM
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This is why I have a cat. Cat bites don't bleed at all.

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Ultimaphazon
10/09/11 5:57:00 AM
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I've never been bitten by a cat, but I know for a fact that cat scratches do bleed.

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VincentLauw
10/09/11 6:00:00 AM
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Cat scratches/Small dog bites <-> Chance of getting your face bitten off


pick.

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10/09/11 6:04:00 AM
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Is it legal to keep a Pitbull generally in the States?

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CalvinbalI
10/09/11 6:13:00 AM
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Yes it is. Though there are plenty of home owners associations that ban them.

I've spent my entire life around pitbulls, literally from the day I was born my family had a pitbull. Never got bit by them. You raise a dog right and it won't bite you, its breed doesn't matter.

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Ultimaphazon
10/09/11 6:14:00 AM
#8:


Cat scratches/Small dog bites <-> Chance of getting your face bitten off


pick.


Oh, don't get me wrong, I'd take the cat any day of the week. I was badly bitten by a dog when I was young, and that **** bled like hell, and I spent 10 years of my life hating dogs. I've gotten over my dislike for dogs, but I still don't love them. I was just saying that cats can make you bleed too, they aren't completely harmless.

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VincentLauw
10/09/11 6:31:00 AM
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From: CalvinbalI | #007
I've spent my entire life around pitbulls, literally from the day I was born my family had a pitbull. Never got bit by them. You raise a dog right and it won't bite you, its breed doesn't matter.


More accidents happen with pitbulls that are generally perceived as 'good dogs' than with pitbulls (or other dangerous breeds) that are perceived as 'dangerous'. Wanna know why? Because you trust them. Bad dogs usually won't be let around people.

I'm not saying they do it on purpose, they might just be scared of something or a small child may just annoy them enough to get into 'I will wreck your face' mode.

Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it never does. And a dangerous dog that's raised well still has those dangerous features.


Just my two cents, I don't forbid people to raise that kind of dogs. Just saying that I never will and if someone has that kind of dog in their house I probably will think twice before entering too.

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CalvinbalI
10/09/11 7:18:00 AM
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That's a silly claim to make. Who compiled the data for that statistic? By what metric is a dog measured as "good" or "bad?" How is the quality of the dog's upbringing tracked? How do we know that "bad" dogs aren't let around people?

Or is that just you saying things because you're scared of pitbulls?

I've never seen any evidence to the widespread claim that there is something intrinsically more violent about a pitbull's disposition. Please provide me something that shows a genetic tendency towards greater violence than other dogs, something that makes a pitbull "just snap" that other dog breeds lack.

The simple fact of the matter is pitbulls don't "just snap." A poorly raised dog of any breed can be violent. And just like any other dog, a well-raised pitbull will exhibit plenty of warning signs of agitation before biting.

To back my claims up, here's an Alabama Supreme Court case that accepted evidence from the Washington Animal Foundation showing no breed of dog to be genetically more dangerous than any other: http://www.dontbullymybreed.org/StopCourtRuling.php

The American Temperament Testing Society have passed 86.4% of pitbulls that have taken its test: http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/

It's a small sample size, but it's the best statistic of real-world temperament I can find. This percent seems roughly average, if not a bit above average, and is higher than the rottweiler, which has a significantly stronger bite than the pitbull: http://dogfacts.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/national-geographics-dr-brady-barrs-bite-pressure-tests/

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Spark Mandrill
10/09/11 7:22:00 AM
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From: VincentLauw | #009
More accidents happen with pitbulls that are generally perceived as 'good dogs' than with pitbulls (or other dangerous breeds) that are perceived as 'dangerous'. Wanna know why? Because you trust them. Bad dogs usually won't be let around people.


Conspiracy theories involving dogs?

We've hit a new low.

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CrimsonOcean
10/09/11 7:52:00 AM
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CalvinbalI posted...
Yes it is. Though there are plenty of home owners associations that ban them.

I've spent my entire life around pitbulls, literally from the day I was born my family had a pitbull. Never got bit by them. You raise a dog right and it won't bite you, its breed doesn't matter.


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VincentLauw
10/09/11 8:16:00 AM
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From: Spark Mandrill | #011
Conspiracy theories involving dogs?

We've hit a new low.


What's conspiracy like about common sense? A bad dog usually has already bitten once or more, so the owner (if it's a good owner) will more than likely not bring him around people or have preventive measures ready.

From: CalvinbalI | #010
I've never seen any evidence to the widespread claim that there is something intrinsically more violent about a pitbull's disposition. Please provide me something that shows a genetic tendency towards greater violence than other dogs, something that makes a pitbull "just snap" that other dog breeds lack.


Where have I stated that other dogs are less violent? I just said that pitbulls and other big dogs with huge teeth are more likely to do a lot more damage.

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ExThaNemesis
10/09/11 8:26:00 AM
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From: VincentLauw | #013
A bad dog usually has already bitten once or more


Dogs that have bitten once or more are usually euthanized.

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CalvinbalI
10/09/11 8:31:00 AM
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You compared pitbulls similarly to ticking time bombs. That's not saying "if they bite," it's saying "when they inevitably bite." And unless you think all dogs inevitably bite someone (which by your definition means all dogs are eventually bad dogs), you're indirectly labeling pitbulls as more violent.

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VincentLauw
10/09/11 8:35:00 AM
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From: CalvinbalI | #015
You compared pitbulls similarly to ticking time bombs. That's not saying "if they bite," it's saying "when they inevitably bite." And unless you think all dogs inevitably bite someone (which by your definition means all dogs are eventually bad dogs), you're indirectly labeling pitbulls as more violent.


Well yeah, a ticking time bomb may have been the wrong comparison I'll admit that. But it's kind of logical that there's a chance a dog will bite even if you didn't do anything wrong intentionally (tripped over him/stepped on a leg/infinite possibilities). It doesn't have to be a pitbull, I'm just saying that they're the kind of dog that could harm you in a big way if you do that.

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OctilIery
10/09/11 10:35:00 AM
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Pit bulls are amazing dogs that generally have good temperments. This bite was the same thing you'd get from any breed, just Pits have a bit stronger jaws. It's not a serious one in the slightest, and doesn't do anything to change my opinion that people like you that hate against Pits are just incredibly ill-informed and ignorant.

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PartOfYourWorld
10/09/11 10:46:00 AM
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Dog violence statistics should be taken with a grain of salt. The two most notoriously violent breeds, the pitbull and rottweiler, are often owned by the ghetto dwelling dregs of society. You put a golden retriever in a crack neighborhood, and you get a killer. Put a pitbull with a nice wholesome family in San Francisco, and you get a friendly family dog. It's not the dogs, it's the people.

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10/09/11 10:50:00 AM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
From: VincentLauw | #013
A bad dog usually has already bitten once or more
Dogs that have bitten once or more are usually euthanized.


My friend got attacked by a pitbull someone was walking, and the guy didn't even apologize, just walked away.

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VincentLauw
10/09/11 10:51:00 AM
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From: OctilIery | #017
Pit bulls are amazing dogs that generally have good temperments. This bite was the same thing you'd get from any breed, just Pits have a bit stronger jaws. It's not a serious one in the slightest, and doesn't do anything to change my opinion that people like you that hate against Pits are just incredibly ill-informed and ignorant.


Again, I'm not hating on pitbulls or big dogs in general. If you want to own them fine, but I just see them as animals with the potential to really hurt me. Why would I want to own that? It just feels like I'm talking against a bunch of people that owned pitbulls or other big/strong dogs that are trying to convince me that they can't ever possibly hurt me. No matter how you look at it, they are still animals and don't have the common sense of 'hey maybe this guy didn't intentionally hurt me or scare me'. They will act on instinct. That's not fearmongering, that's just truth. If you want to take that risk because you think they are cool animals and you think the risk is small enough, then go ahead. But don't hate on me for not wanting to and having an opinion. That's all.

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PartOfYourWorld
10/09/11 10:54:00 AM
#21:


Vince, I like you, but posts like these are why Americans laugh at you from across the pond. You have to realize that it's never the dogs, it's the bad owners.

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OctilIery
10/09/11 10:57:00 AM
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Again, I'm not hating on pitbulls or big dogs in general. If you want to own them fine, but I just see them as animals with the potential to really hurt me. Why would I want to own that? It just feels like I'm talking against a bunch of people that owned pitbulls or other big/strong dogs that are trying to convince me that they can't ever possibly hurt me. No matter how you look at it, they are still animals and don't have the common sense of 'hey maybe this guy didn't intentionally hurt me or scare me'. They will act on instinct. That's not fearmongering, that's just truth. If you want to take that risk because you think they are cool animals and you think the risk is small enough, then go ahead. But don't hate on me for not wanting to and having an opinion. That's all.

But ANY big dog can do that, first off. Pits are no worse about that than other breeds; a bite from any big dog will be just as bad.

Second, that CAN be dealt with. Training tends to take a lot of that out of the dog, and a well trained/raised dog won't just up and bite someone because they stepped on their leg or tail or something similar.

Hell, if you want a breed that statistically tends to have problems like that, look at Dalmations. Inbreeding has caused a lot of issues, most notably a lot of them are born deaf(making them much more unpredictable since they're so easy to startle) and generally more agressive, but even then good training and a good home will leave them as incredibly sweet, loving dogs.

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VincentLauw
10/09/11 10:57:00 AM
#23:


From: PartOfYourWorld | #021
Vince, I like you, but posts like these are why Americans laugh at you from across the pond. You have to realize that it's never the dogs, it's the bad owners.


I just said that no matter how you raise an animal in general, it will mostly act on instinct. If it feels the need to defend itself even when you aren't trying to intentionally hurt it, it WILL defend itself. That's just common sense. If you believe that to be fear on my end, then that's cool. But if you're trying to tell me I don't get what you guys mean, I do. That doesn't necessarily mean I have to agree with it 100%.

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VincentLauw
10/09/11 11:01:00 AM
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From: OctilIery | #022
But ANY big dog can do that, first off. Pits are no worse about that than other breeds; a bite from any big dog will be just as bad.


That's what I've been saying the whole time. I just started about Pitbulls first because that was the subject matter.


Second, that CAN be dealt with. Training tends to take a lot of that out of the dog, and a well trained/raised dog won't just up and bite someone because they stepped on their leg or tail or something similar.

Hell, if you want a breed that statistically tends to have problems like that, look at Dalmations. Inbreeding has caused a lot of issues, most notably a lot of them are born deaf(making them much more unpredictable since they're so easy to startle) and generally more agressive, but even then good training and a good home will leave them as incredibly sweet, loving dogs.


I believe you, for sure. But that doesn't mean there won't always be some part of the animal that trusts on his instinct and it definitely doesn't mean that in general most people seek specialized training for their pets.

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GenesisSaga
10/09/11 11:02:00 AM
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PartOfYourWorld posted...
Vince, I like you, but posts like these are why Americans laugh at you from across the pond. You have to realize that it's never the dogs, it's the black owners.

Freudian slip?

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OctilIery
10/09/11 11:07:00 AM
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I just said that no matter how you raise an animal in general, it will mostly act on instinct. If it feels the need to defend itself even when you aren't trying to intentionally hurt it, it WILL defend itself. That's just common sense. If you believe that to be fear on my end, then that's cool. But if you're trying to tell me I don't get what you guys mean, I do. That doesn't necessarily mean I have to agree with it 100%.

And you're wrong. 100%. A well trained/bred dog will not bite unreasonably. If you just accidentally hurt a well trained dog, you're not getting bit. Simple as that. At most you'll get barked or growled it.

I believe you, for sure. But that doesn't mean there won't always be some part of the animal that trusts on his instinct and it definitely doesn't mean that in general most people seek specialized training for their pets.

It doesn't take specialized training. It takes the same training and care that any person can give. If you tend to cage up or isolate an animal, it's going to be aggressive. If you give it a loving home and socialize with it, it's going to be well behaved even amongst these accidents you're speaking off.

I've lived and dealt with dogs all my life. I've stepped on them, tripped over them, etc etc, and I've never been bit like that. Only time I've ever been bit was when I was roughhousing, and never seriously.

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OctilIery
10/09/11 1:23:00 PM
#27:


Also yeah, bite bled for a long time but not heavily, seems to have finally stopped, and doesn't look inflamed or infected so I think I'm good :3

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JJH777
10/09/11 1:30:00 PM
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VincentLauw posted...
From: PartOfYourWorld | #021
Vince, I like you, but posts like these are why Americans laugh at you from across the pond. You have to realize that it's never the dogs, it's the bad owners.
I just said that no matter how you raise an animal in general, it will mostly act on instinct. If it feels the need to defend itself even when you aren't trying to intentionally hurt it, it WILL defend itself. That's just common sense. If you believe that to be fear on my end, then that's cool. But if you're trying to tell me I don't get what you guys mean, I do. That doesn't necessarily mean I have to agree with it 100%.


That's simply not true you can raise a dog to behave however you want it to. My dogs aren't going to bite anyone for tripping over them or stepping on their feet or anything like that. You have no clue what you are talking about. It is never anything but the owners that affects a dog's behavior

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PartOfYourWorld
10/09/11 1:34:00 PM
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That's what I'm saying! A dog that was bred specifically for power, athleticism, and aggression (ie. the pit bull) is no more dangerous than a Welsh corgi. I'd feel 100% safer around a pit bull if it came from a loving owner than a corgi pup that came from the ghetto.

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CrimsonOcean
10/09/11 1:38:00 PM
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How about we all just agree that Vince needs to grow a pair and leave it at that.

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PartOfYourWorld
10/09/11 1:41:00 PM
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Grow a pair about what? We've already established that pitbulls and other powerful breeds are intrinsically no more dangerous than small breeds. I think Vincent is simply misinformed.

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OctilIery
10/09/11 2:08:00 PM
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PartOfYourWorld posted...
That's what I'm saying! A dog that was bred specifically for power, athleticism, and aggression (ie. the pit bull) is no more dangerous than a Welsh corgi. I'd feel 100% safer around a pit bull if it came from a loving owner than a corgi pup that came from the ghetto.

Indeed. I love pits to death, and many larger breeds. I've seen well behaved Chihuahuas, and vicious Goldens. The breed doesn't matter, it's the owner.

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VincentLauw
10/09/11 2:11:00 PM
#33:


From: CrimsonOcean | #030
How about we all just agree that Vince needs to grow a pair and leave it at that.


Yes, because having a certain amount of fear for an animal that can bite your face off or worse is completely unjustified, how misinformed I may be.

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OctilIery
10/09/11 2:13:00 PM
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VincentLauw posted...
From: CrimsonOcean | #030
How about we all just agree that Vince needs to grow a pair and leave it at that.
Yes, because having a certain amount of fear for an animal that can bite your face off or worse is completely unjustified, how misinformed I may be.


Having the fear is justified.

Assuming the dog is going to bite or blaming anything but the owner is not.

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PartOfYourWorld
10/09/11 2:23:00 PM
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Do you guys think a dog should ever be destroyed? What is the maximum punishment an owner should serve based on the violent behavior of his dog? Say, a guy's dog ravages the face of a child (who was in no way harming or pestering the dog). Should the dog be put down? Should the owner serve jail time?

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OctilIery
10/09/11 2:29:00 PM
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PartOfYourWorld posted...
Do you guys think a dog should ever be destroyed? What is the maximum punishment an owner should serve based on the violent behavior of his dog? Say, a guy's dog ravages the face of a child (who was in no way harming or pestering the dog). Should the dog be put down? Should the owner serve jail time?

Both. At that point the dog is beyond saving, but the owners negligent behavior should not go unpunished.

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PartOfYourWorld
10/09/11 4:14:00 PM
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Guys, I've gotta admit that this whole topic has been a spectacularly failed troll attempt on my part.

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VincentLauw
10/09/11 5:08:00 PM
#38:


Well now that you mention it those posts were a bit over the top


I had you all along! Really!


I'm actually glad I'm not the only one, it kind of seemed like I was 100% wrong or something

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MegaWentEvil
10/09/11 5:16:00 PM
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I'm afraid of dogs to the point of backing away from puppies. And more, I refuse to play ANY game where there's a dog or any other canine. This means Mega Man, Star Fox and Sonic 2 are out of the question.

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PartOfYourWorld
10/09/11 5:28:00 PM
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Well, I think that the owner has more influence over a dog - regardless of breed - than any other factor, but let's get real. Pit bulls didn't come to be hundreds of thousands of years ago. Humans made them very recently specifically to be athletic, strong, and aggressive. I'd bet money that if you took a thousand pit bulls and a thousand corgis and raised em the exact same way, at the end of the day, you're still more likely (however slightly) to wind up with an aggressive pit bull.

And even if the owner is largely to blame (once again, I don't disagree with this), I'd still rather have that negligent owner responsible for a wimpy little dog as opposed to one with the jaw power to break bones.

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OctilIery
10/09/11 8:12:00 PM
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PartOfYourWorld posted...
Well, I think that the owner has more influence over a dog - regardless of breed - than any other factor, but let's get real. Pit bulls didn't come to be hundreds of thousands of years ago. Humans made them very recently specifically to be athletic, strong, and aggressive. I'd bet money that if you took a thousand pit bulls and a thousand corgis and raised em the exact same way, at the end of the day, you're still more likely (however slightly) to wind up with an aggressive pit bull.

And even if the owner is largely to blame (once again, I don't disagree with this), I'd still rather have that negligent owner responsible for a wimpy little dog as opposed to one with the jaw power to break bones.


They did not raise Pit Bulls to be aggressive. You do not(and honestly cannot) raise a breed to be aggressive. They raised them to be ABLE to be aggressive when needed, but they also raised them to be intelligent and loyal so they could be controlled - as any breed can be.

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TheRock1525
10/09/11 8:27:00 PM
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This is why I had pet ducks.

Never had a "bad" duck bite!

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Princess Anri
10/09/11 8:29:00 PM
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I bit a pitbull once.

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Princess Anri
10/09/11 8:33:00 PM
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holy s*** i just googled pit bulls and found one that put fear into my heart:

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and then one that broke my heart:

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:(

Poor guy.

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MegaWentEvil
10/09/11 8:36:00 PM
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:(

Poor guy.


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WazzupGenius00
10/09/11 8:36:00 PM
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oh man I forgot about that second picture

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Princess Anri
10/09/11 8:38:00 PM
#47:


From: MegaWentEvil | #045
:(

Poor guy.


I don't feel sorry for him/her, it IS a pitbull after all!!!


You being a complete waste of space aside, I don't even think that second dog is a pit bull.

It just came up when I searched pit bull.

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JJH777
10/09/11 8:40:00 PM
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People are completely ****ed up.

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redrocket
10/09/11 9:14:00 PM
#49:


OctilIery posted...
PartOfYourWorld posted...
They did not raise Pit Bulls to be aggressive. You do not(and honestly cannot) raise a breed to be aggressive. They raised them to be ABLE to be aggressive when needed, but they also raised them to be intelligent and loyal so they could be controlled - as any breed can be.


+1

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10/09/11 9:36:00 PM
#50:


Dalmatians attack people way more than Pits do. Pitbulls are sweethearts if raised right.

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