Board 8 > If Jon Stewart had a battle of "wits" with our good friend SMuffin

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baron von toast
10/05/11 10:22:00 PM
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From: Spark Mandrill | #001
- Words such as "Nazi," "Communist" and "Socialist" carry penalties.


gg SMuffin

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KimPilgrim
10/05/11 10:23:00 PM
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- One party is silenced (Due to running out of material/defeat) for over thirty seconds.
- If you request dismissal, you obviously lose.


SMuffin wins. Nobody can tolerate a discussion with him for that long.

- If you resort to a personal attack not based on the discussion at hand, or try to rewind the discussion, you will be disqualified
- Words such as "Nazi," "Communist" and "Socialist" carry penalties. If you use one of these words to compare to your opponent's political ideology, you are forced to stay quite for up to two minutes while the "victim" explains to you, calmly, why you're wrong.


On the other hand....

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Punch_Sideiron
10/05/11 10:23:00 PM
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Spark Mandrill posted...

TERMS OF VICTORY:
- Words such as "Nazi," "Communist" and "Socialist" carry penalties. If you use one of these words to compare to your opponent's political ideology, you are forced to stay quite for up to two minutes while the "victim" explains to you, calmly, why you're wrong.


SMuffin would be finished on this alone.
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Spark Mandrill
10/05/11 10:24:00 PM
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who would win?

THE BATTLEFIELD:
- A quiet room, one table, both sit opposite of one another. Long enough that neither party can strangle the other.
- Well furnished, very homey.
- Only door in and out is locked and heavily guarded.
- Each contestant must bring their own material.

TERMS OF VICTORY:
- One party is silenced (Due to running out of material/defeat) for over thirty seconds.
- If you request dismissal, you obviously lose.
- If you resort to a personal attack not based on the discussion at hand, or try to rewind the discussion, you will be yellow carded. Any further attempts to do this will disqualify you.
- Words such as "Nazi," "Communist" and "Socialist" carry penalties. If you use one of these words to compare to your opponent's political ideology, you are forced to stay quite for up to two minutes while the "victim" explains to you, calmly, why you're wrong.

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PartOfYourWorld
10/05/11 10:24:00 PM
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I've seen Stewart debate/discuss with a few Fox News pundits, and he does a good job holding his own. The only guy I've seen send Stewart crying in a corner is Obama.

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Spark Mandrill
10/05/11 10:24:00 PM
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Fixed rule 3, seemed too unfair, thought I had already edited it.

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AlecTrevelyan006
10/05/11 10:24:00 PM
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Battle of wits, unarmed, etc etc

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red sox 777
10/05/11 10:25:00 PM
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The last rule is stupid and unfair, because Smuffin would be substantively arguing that his opponent is a Communist.

And he'd do pretty well without that rule, by calling everything Jon Stewart said Communist propaganda.

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red sox 777
10/05/11 10:33:00 PM
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SM: Are you now or have you ever been a member of the US Communist Party, or any other Communist Party?

JS: No.

SM: Are you now or have you ever been a member of any socialist party that disguises its true communist nature by using the weaker term socialist?

JS: No.

SM: Do you support communist policies?

JS: No.

SM: But you support government health care.

JS: Well, I think-

SM: Do you support Obamacare, yes or no?

JS: Yes, and-

SM: Then YOU ARE A COMMUNIST.

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SupremeZero
10/05/11 10:39:00 PM
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Spark Mandrill posted...
- One party is silenced (Due to running out of material/defeat) for over thirty seconds.
- Words such as "Nazi," "Communist" and "Socialist" carry penalties. If you use one of these words to compare to your opponent's political ideology, you are forced to stay quite for up to two minutes while the "victim" explains to you, calmly, why you're wrong.


Doesn't the second one force the first?

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vcharon
10/05/11 10:52:00 PM
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Jon Stewart is a noble man, he'd never attack an unarmed man.

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redrocket
10/05/11 10:57:00 PM
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PartOfYourWorld posted...
I've seen Stewart debate/discuss with a few Fox News pundits, and he does a good job holding his own. The only guy I've seen send Stewart crying in a corner is Obama.

When did this happen?

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Demon HunterX
10/05/11 11:01:00 PM
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also interested in seeing obama potentially own stewart

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PartOfYourWorld
10/05/11 11:06:00 PM
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IIRC, Stewart interviewed him several months ago and tried to ask some hard questions, but Obama had direct answers and challenges for everything. By the end, Stewart couldn't even maintain good eye contact. That said, I suppose the President of the United States is probably one of the most challenging people in the world to interview. I can imagine his status being overpowering even to a seasoned interviewer. In all honesty, I can't even remember Dubya getting "schooled" in any interviews.

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KommunistKoala
10/05/11 11:07:00 PM
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Obama went on the Daily Show and verbally destroyed JS iirc

it's not anywhere on youtube after a quick search but I'm sure the internet has it somewhere

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SovietOmega
10/05/11 11:15:00 PM
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wouldn't such an interview be on the daily show site?

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KommunistKoala
10/05/11 11:17:00 PM
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You'd think so!

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PartOfYourWorld
10/05/11 11:24:00 PM
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-27-2010/barack-obama-pt--1

Is it really a year old?

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Pretty_Odd
10/05/11 11:37:00 PM
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Dude, how the hell is it fair if he can't bring up all the socialist stuff? Why would you have rules against one side? That isn't a battle of wits.

And the horrifying truth is that these progressives are now on the move to push Obama out because he's not socialist enough, and likely won't run in 2012.

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Punch_Sideiron
10/05/11 11:43:00 PM
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Pretty_Odd posted...
Dude, how the hell is it fair if he can't bring up all the socialist stuff? Why would you have rules against one side? That isn't a battle of wits.

And the horrifying truth is that these progressives are now on the move to push Obama out because he's not socialist enough, and likely won't run in 2012.


Spoken like a true regressive aristocratic rightist.
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Pretty_Odd
10/05/11 11:47:00 PM
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Punch_Sideiron posted...
Pretty_Odd posted...
Dude, how the hell is it fair if he can't bring up all the socialist stuff? Why would you have rules against one side? That isn't a battle of wits.

And the horrifying truth is that these progressives are now on the move to push Obama out because he's not socialist enough, and likely won't run in 2012.

Spoken like a true regressive aristocratic rightist.


Uh, excuse me, regressive, aristocratic, and rightist all carry a penalty. Try again.

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Altimadark
10/05/11 11:48:00 PM
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If you're not allowed to use terms like "Nazi," "Communist" and "Socialist," then shouldn't you also bar things like the race card and such, to keep things fair?

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Punch_Sideiron
10/05/11 11:50:00 PM
#23:


Pretty_Odd posted...
Uh, excuse me, regressive, aristocratic, and rightist all carry a penalty. Try again.

Holy ****, you actually took that seriously?
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KimPilgrim
10/05/11 11:52:00 PM
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That's our GuiGa.

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Spark Mandrill
10/06/11 1:50:00 PM
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From: SupremeZero | #010
Doesn't the second one force the first?


No, because the first doesn't include the second in its criteria.

From: Pretty_Odd | #019
Dude, how the hell is it fair if he can't bring up all the socialist stuff? Why would you have rules against one side? That isn't a battle of wits.


Not imposing a penalty for Socialist comparisons would be unfair to Stewart. SMuffin would just plug his ears and scream communist all day if he were able to. Neither version of the rule is fair, but I picked the one that levels the playing field and forces SMuffin to exit his comfort zone.

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Pretty_Odd
10/07/11 10:34:00 AM
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Is this really how a communist thinks? Smuffin needs to be taken out of his comfort zone to make it "fair" for Stewart?

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JDTAY
10/07/11 10:53:00 AM
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My money's on SmartMuffin, because Jon Stewart uses writers, whereas Smuffin's special brand of [genius/insanity] is entirely self-produced.

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XIII_rocks
10/07/11 10:53:00 AM
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SMuffin would win in a surprise upset.

FOR JUSTICE

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VincentLauw
10/07/11 10:55:00 AM
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From: JDTAY | #028
My money's on SmartMuffin, because Jon Stewart uses writers, whereas Smuffin's special brand of [genius/insanity] is entirely self-produced.


This makes me think Smuffin has ghost writers or something

because I can't believe his level of insanity can all come from the same person

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muddersmilk
10/07/11 10:56:00 AM
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So it comes down to which comes first. Smuffin gets disqualified or Stewart is either stunned silent for 30 seconds or just decides to give up because it isn't worth it.

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XIII_rocks
10/07/11 11:04:00 AM
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It's funny how everyone in this topic is treating Smuffin as a joke, but people offer him serious debate all the time.

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CoolCly
10/07/11 11:19:00 AM
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posting here to remind myself later to watch Obama on the Daily Show

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ChichiriMuyo
10/07/11 12:05:00 PM
#34:


JDTAY posted...
My money's on SmartMuffin, because Jon Stewart uses writers, whereas Smuffin's special brand of [genius/insanity] is entirely self-produced.

Stewart pretty much destroyed Crossfire when he was brought on for an interview, and he didn't have any writers for that. Of course he destroyed them by the fact that they practically wouldn't let him talk.

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kevwaffles
10/07/11 12:48:00 PM
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From: PartOfYourWorld | #005
The only guy I've seen send Stewart crying in a corner is Obama.


I think you're confusing getting destroyed and fighting with kid gloves.

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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/07/11 1:11:00 PM
#36:


Punch_Sideiron posted...
Pretty_Odd posted...
Uh, excuse me, regressive, aristocratic, and rightist all carry a penalty. Try again.

Holy ****, you actually took that seriously?


guiga takes everything seriously... except for orders not to be within 50 feet of children...

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Pretty_Odd
10/07/11 7:06:00 PM
#37:


I'm gonna make this real easy for you guys that think it's "crazy" or a low blow to bring up communism.

http://www.cpusa.org/

That is the website of Communist Party USA. They don't hide what they're about. They are active. They (and other groups that have the same goal) are the backbone of this "occupy" garbage. So again, TC, why the f*** is it bad to bring up communism?

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