Board 8 > NFL Stats and Discussion Week 4: Where the Lions, Bills, and Raiders Happen

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From: TimJab | #250
He had no reason to give himself up. He thought the play was over

There you have it.

If he stops playing and he's down on the ground, he gave himself up. He can't just lay on the ground for 30 seconds and the play keeps going.

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He thought the play was over because he had been "tackled". Cruz himself came out and said that he thought he had been touched down by a defender. Didn't happen.

He could have gotten up and kept running. Instead he got up and dropped the ball, which is a the definition of a fumble. The play should have been live.

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But it doesn't matter if it didn't happen or not. He stayed on the ground. If he had gotten up and the ball was stripped, then it would've been a fumble, sure.

This wouldn't even be an issue if someone hadn't stripped the ball out of his hand, but it's ultimately a judgment call by the refs to determine when he "gave himself up" on the play. Cruz was stupid for not playing to the whistle, and anyone who doesn't play to the whistle is stupid. The Cardinals did the right thing by trying to strip the ball and take it because the whistle hadn't blown.

I'm not really sure what I even think about the call right now, but it's not as black and white as some people are saying.

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When he dropped the ball, he was still on the ground.

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TimJab posted...
He didn't give himself up. He had no reason to give himself up. He thought the play was over and it wasn't. That is the exact reason why quarterbacks slide feet-first, since you obviously can't slide in that manner to stretch for a first down or a touchdown.

He thought the play was over, thus he put the ball on the ground (he didn't drop it, he literally placed it and let it go) and made no effort to advance. Whether or not he intended to "give himself up" making no effort to advance after falling on the ground falls under the "giving yourself up" rule.

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Peter Boy with the long touchdown!

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So is Indy's defense legit, or are Pittsburgh's and TB's offenses just bad?

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"I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now."

Another long TD for Peter Boy!

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Is anyone else actually watching this game?

It's been better than I thought it was going to be, at least.

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Man, I wish the Titans hadn't let Blount go.

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Yeah, Blount is a powerhouse.

That 3rd down run by Freeman during the scoring drive was so clutch.

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how is Ronnie Brown working out

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so james harrison out indefinitely with the eye socket injury.

I guess a new steeler LB is about to be born into stardom. Losing gildon? No problem. Losing porter? No problem....same goes for harrison.

Looks like people will have more excuses to dismiss the Titans after they beat the Steelers on Sunday now.

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