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thundersheep
09/22/11 10:09:00 PM
#51:


...why so backwards America?

This kind of **** is just sad.

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crazyisgood
09/22/11 10:36:00 PM
#52:


What percent of Americans watch these debates?
What percent of Americans Watch the news?

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SubDeity
09/22/11 10:46:00 PM
#53:


Why do people even bother watching televised debates? It's meaningless theatrics.

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ExThaNemesis
09/22/11 11:06:00 PM
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From: SmartMuffin | #050
The funny thing is, Paul absolutely destroys ALL of the "who won the debate" polls. The various websites and polling agencies have responded by removing him as an option. Pay close attention, you're seeing more and more of these "who do you support" polls that only allow you to choose between Perry, Romney, and Bachmann.


What a f***ing joke.

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VF1MS Metal Siren
09/22/11 11:28:00 PM
#55:


As much as I think Ron Paul is crazy, the way the media box him out is atrocious and they should all be ashamed.

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thundersheep
09/22/11 11:33:00 PM
#56:


Yeah, this election is showing just how much the media really does control in your country... and it's kind of scary.

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YetAnothrShadow
09/22/11 11:38:00 PM
#57:


foolmor0n posted...
to be fair it was 2 people

This

I was expecting something alot worse. Obviously there's going to be a couple gay bashers in a republican debate.

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redrocket
09/22/11 11:42:00 PM
#58:


YetAnothrShadow posted...
foolmor0n posted...
to be fair it was 2 people

This

I was expecting something alot worse. Obviously there's going to be a couple gay bashers in a republican debate.

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Yeah, this wasn't like the execution question addressed to Perry where pretty much the whole crowd cheered.

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Pretty_Odd
09/22/11 11:46:00 PM
#59:


Oh boo hoo hoo.

You know, the most intolerant people to gays are the Arab countries. Gays are stoned to death there. So how is it that you have come to be on their side? Could it be that you're manipulated into thinking all these things?

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GaryOak151
09/22/11 11:48:00 PM
#60:


so why aren't you friends with the terrorists guiga

they are pretty close to your beliefs on a lot of social issues

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Pretty_Odd
09/22/11 11:51:00 PM
#61:


GaryOak151 posted...
so why aren't you friends with the terrorists guiga

they are pretty close to your beliefs on a lot of social issues

They're aligned with the progressives. That's how ridiculous it all is.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/05/arab-spring-making-life-tough-for-gays-sheikhs-still-emphasize-that-death-penalty-is-the-islamic-pun.html

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GaryOak151
09/22/11 11:57:00 PM
#62:


liberal muslims tend to vote democratic
terrorists hate progressives

i'm so tired i'm actually responding seriously to this topic

thanks anton chekhov

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red sox 777
09/22/11 11:58:00 PM
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/09/new-hampshire-poll-romney-huntsman-ron-paul-rick-perry.html

Glad to see New Hampshire knows what's up. Poll results if you don't want to open the link:

Romney 41%
Paul 14%
Huntsman 10%
Perry 8%
Palin 6%
Bachmann 5%
Gingrich 4%
Santorum 1%
Roemer 1%

I've also been impressed by Jon Huntsman- he seems like a smart, reasonable, person in the debates. Has the right vision for America and would know how to actually implement it. And as a bonus, he's from Utah- I've only ever met good people from that state, and it's a model for what America should be economically.

IMO New Hampshire is a great state to hold the first primary. So much more reasonable than most of the country. Perry, Palin, and Bachmann shouldn't be in the running for this.

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GaryOak151
09/23/11 12:03:00 AM
#65:


Huntsman looks like danny cordray from the office y/n

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SlymDayspring
09/23/11 3:29:00 AM
#66:


of course they boo him, and cheer rick santorum.

i dunno why this shocks anyway, they call them 'conservatives' for a reason, positive change scares them and they wish to continue being backwards.

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SmartMuffin
09/23/11 6:30:00 AM
#67:


I'll give Huntsman credit for standing by his principles, but they guy isn't even a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's a wolf in wolf's clothing. Centrist might be giving him too much credit. There are plenty of Democrats more conservative than him.

Anyway, Santorum is really starting to piss me off. It's like he's only there to engage, distract, and smear people with new and/or unique ideas (Paul, Johnson, and even Huntsman). He knows he can't win, so he's just trying to take out everyone who could really make a difference. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ends up as Romney's VP as a reward for being a "good soldier" and so Romney can trot him out there to try and convince conservatives that he isn't a leftist in disguise.

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metroid composite
09/23/11 6:35:00 AM
#68:


SmartMuffin posted...
I'll give Huntsman credit for standing by his principles, but they guy isn't even a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's a wolf in wolf's clothing. Centrist might be giving him too much credit. There are plenty of Democrats more conservative than him.

Probably why I like him so much in the debates.

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Swifticuffs
09/23/11 6:39:00 AM
#69:


I agree that this is sick that they boo but let's get something straight

in the military females/males are segregated against. They're separated from one another since sexual contact is extremely prohibited. The idea is you're serving, you're fighting, you're not screwing around while on duty. Gays in the military are then right next to their own... attraction you dig? I think they should be allowed in, but certainly anyone can see why this is a touchy subject, no?

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SlymDayspring
09/23/11 6:50:00 AM
#70:


you cannot say because it is possible that some gay soldier somewhere might do something sexual that it is a legitimate complaint. if someone breaks the rules they get punished. the presumption is innocence and following the rules, so no, it isn't a 'touchy subject'.

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Biolizard28
09/23/11 6:53:00 AM
#71:


Literally saying that gay people have no self control. And like Cyclo said, if there are rules to follow, then you're penalized for breaking them. Simple as that.

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SmartMuffin
09/23/11 6:54:00 AM
#72:


Literally saying that gay people have no self control.

Separate bathrooms for men and women suggest that men have no self control.

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Swifticuffs
09/23/11 6:57:00 AM
#73:


aye you people just refuse to use your common sense

for once smart muffin is 100% right and here come you guys with your outrageous self defense of everything and anything gay

no hope for this board. They don't need to act on anything or have "self control." They're surrounded by what they're attracted to and there's plenty of soldiers in a platoon. The eye candy alone, because in that situation you're bound to find at least one you like, is enough to boost morale for a soldier in basic training. A straight one is lucky to get a glimpse at a female drill sergeant and you won't want to look at her again.

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SlymDayspring
09/23/11 6:58:00 AM
#74:


And I am sure that people like yourself would love to have separate bathrooms for gay men and straight men, but that just isn't reasonable to have four different bathrooms everywhere. The reason for bathroom separation also involves kids, the difference in equipment of the sexes, etc. It just is not the same situation at all.

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Justin_Crossing
09/23/11 6:59:00 AM
#75:


From: SmartMuffin | #072
Literally saying that gay people have no self control.

Separate bathrooms for men and women suggest that men have no self control.


I'm pretty 99% sure that separate bathrooms were not created with that premise.

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SmartMuffin
09/23/11 7:00:00 AM
#76:


Yeah, and people have no idea what military service is actually like. It's not nearly as simple as say, sharing a locker room at the gym. On submarines, you're talking about a few hundred dudes locked in a small enclosed space underwater together for six months at a time where they literally share beds. Not at the same time of course, but basically, when you wake up from sleeping, someone else is just getting off their shift and about to sleep in the same bed you just got out of.

So, if you're so against any sort of perceived guilt, and so sure gays should be allowed in that situation, why shouldn't women be allowed? Hell, the same logic applies to Rick Santorum. If he's so adamant that "sex shouldn't be an issue" in the military, then why do we discriminate based on gender?

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metroid composite
09/23/11 7:02:00 AM
#77:


SmartMuffin posted...
Separate bathrooms for men and women suggest that men have no self control.

Or that:

1. Different bathrooms have different requirements (urinals, sanitary napkin disposals)
2. Women want privacy for some actions that require mirrors (adjusting makeup, adjusting bras).
3. Due to different hormones, urine from different genders smells different.
4. Washroom sinks are different heights to account for average height of the gender.

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Biolizard28
09/23/11 7:03:00 AM
#78:


From: SmartMuffin | #076
So, if you're so against any sort of perceived guilt, and so sure gays should be allowed in that situation, why shouldn't women be allowed? Hell, the same logic applies to Rick Santorum. If he's so adamant that "sex shouldn't be an issue" in the military, then why do we discriminate based on gender?


You tell me.

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SmartMuffin
09/23/11 7:04:00 AM
#79:


Because there are practical considerations involved. Women don't want to shower with a bunch of dudes. We don't call them bigots for that. Yet for some reason, straight men who don't want to shower with a bunch of gay men are hatemongers. I'm just demanding consistency. Either allow for discrimination or don't, but stop telling me that some discrimination is okay but other discrimination is bad.

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metroid composite
09/23/11 7:07:00 AM
#80:


SmartMuffin posted...
So, if you're so against any sort of perceived guilt, and so sure gays should be allowed in that situation, why shouldn't women be allowed?

Easy answer: women should be allowed on submarines.

In fact, I've heard a good argument that submarines should be staffed primarily by women. Women are shorter, which works better in the cramped spaces; women eat less, which works better with the limited rations; women are more social and less solitary, which works better when you can't get away from people for months on end.

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Biolizard28
09/23/11 7:07:00 AM
#81:


Last I checked, the military doesn't currently deny female applicants solely based on the fact that they're female.

And you say "a bunch of gay men" as if gays will be lining up to join an organization that will probably never accept them even if the government tells them to.

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Swifticuffs
09/23/11 7:10:00 AM
#82:


From: Biolizard28 | Posted: 9/23/2011 10:07:46 AM | #081
Last I checked, the military doesn't currently deny female applicants solely based on the fact that they're female.

And you say "a bunch of gay men" as if gays will be lining up to join an organization that will probably never accept them even if the government tells them to.


last time i looked, females couldn't perform certian MOS in the military. So there's still some fort of discrimination/segregation. Look it up

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SlymDayspring
09/23/11 7:10:00 AM
#83:


what the **** is the big deal about sharing beds if you are not in it at the same time? or being in a "close space"? I know a gay soldier who was on a sub, there didn't seem to be any problems.

they probably discriminate based on gender too much as well, that hardly means that it is OK to do so with sexuality.

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muddersmilk
09/23/11 7:11:00 AM
#84:


It really is ridiculous how hard the major news places are working to pretend Paul isn't even running.

Obama is problematic too - the right hates him and the left is dissatisfied as well. For almost every American citizen, he would not be the first choice for president. But it's taken for granted that he'll be the nominee, and he'll face Romney or Perry in the election and most on the left will vote Obama because "hell no the other choice."

This basically discribes me. I'm a moderate and have never really been a big fan of Obama, but its like the Republicans want me to pick him by only giving me options that I cannot possibly see myself voting for. I really want them to nominate a candidate I can support, but I'm really doubting that is going to happen.

This is why I will be changing to a Republican for the Iowa Primary in a vague hope that I can find someone to support.

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Biolizard28
09/23/11 7:12:00 AM
#85:


From: Swifticuffs | #082
last time i looked, females couldn't perform certian MOS in the military


Name them.

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metroid composite
09/23/11 7:13:00 AM
#86:


SmartMuffin posted...
Because there are practical considerations involved. Women don't want to shower with a bunch of dudes. We don't call them bigots for that.

Oh please, women not serving on Submarines isn't because they choose not to.

Showering is an inconvenience. The same way MASA spacesuits being designed for males, and needing to completely remove the spacesuit just to pee when used by females is an inconvenience. And yet, gasp, there are female astronauts.

If females were permitted on submarines, I guarantee there would be women serving on submarines.

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Swifticuffs
09/23/11 7:14:00 AM
#87:


infantry. Women can't be 11bravo or 11charlie or 11alpha whatever it stands for. I'm guessing the reason why is that women are perceived to not survive multiple shots on the front line compared to a male... some physical inferiority or something I don't know. All I know is, from what I hear from my sergeants (yes, I've been in the military for a year now) females can not be infantry soldiers. most are nurses or some sort or form of medic from what I've seen.

That's discrimination is it not? I see some badass females in my platoon who could kick some ass.

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DeathChicken
09/23/11 7:17:00 AM
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It's more along the lines of not feeling they're physically strong enough to do stuff like haul wounded soldiers out of harm's way

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Swifticuffs
09/23/11 7:19:00 AM
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From: DeathChicken | Posted: 9/23/2011 10:17:42 AM | #088
It's more along the lines of not feeling they're physically strong enough to do stuff like haul wounded soldiers out of harm's way


i figured it was something along those lines, yea

but shouldn't they screen to see the physical power/condition of the woman first before deciding on such a thing?

in the end it's still discriminatory but you don't see people whining about it that much.

The end of the story is there's always gonna be something. Don't ask don't tell is finally, and rightfully gone, and progress is being made. Carry on.

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Biolizard28
09/23/11 7:20:00 AM
#90:


From: Swifticuffs | #087
infantry. Women can't be 11bravo or 11charlie or 11alpha whatever it stands for. I'm guessing the reason why is that women are perceived to not survive multiple shots on the front line compared to a male... some physical inferiority or something I don't know. All I know is, from what I hear from my sergeants (yes, I've been in the military for a year now) females can not be infantry soldiers. most are nurses or some sort or form of medic from what I've seen.

That's discrimination is it not? I see some badass females in my platoon who could kick some ass.


I knew you'd bring up infantry, and you answered your own question: physical inferiority. If you want to call it discrimination, go ahead, but it's as discriminatory as refusing to use cats to pull your sled.

Granted, I'm of the opinion that if a female can meet or exceed the requirements to become front line infantry, she should be able to. However, I don't see a problem with this as a general rule.

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metroid composite
09/23/11 7:21:00 AM
#91:


DeathChicken posted...
It's more along the lines of not feeling they're physically strong enough to do stuff like haul wounded soldiers out of harm's way

So...have minimum strength requirements for front line combat, and not staggered minimum strength requirements--just a flat "you must be able to lift ___lbs" regardless of your gender.

Yeah, that's going to prevent a lot of women from being on the front lines, but not 100% of women.

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muddersmilk
09/23/11 7:22:00 AM
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Yeah, I have a female friend who just joined the Navy, it was made clear to her that she would not be given the chance to serve on a sub.

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Swifticuffs
09/23/11 7:22:00 AM
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From: Biolizard28 | Posted: 9/23/2011 10:20:17 AM | #090
I knew you'd bring up infantry, and you answered your own question: physical inferiority. If you want to call it discrimination, go ahead, but it's as discriminatory as refusing to use cats to pull your sled.

Granted, I'm of the opinion that if a female can meet or exceed the requirements to become front line infantry, she should be able to. However, I don't see a problem with this as a general rule.


you just repeated what I elaborated on below yet you refuse to see it as a problem when in other topics like the gay people giving blood thing you raged and wanted screening and justice. Well the same can be said here. Determine first if she's able to, don't simply cast her aside and discriminate. If you're going to be gung ho for all these rights, at least be 100% consistent buddy.

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Biolizard28
09/23/11 7:29:00 AM
#94:


From: Swifticuffs | #093
you just repeated what I elaborated on below yet you refuse to see it as a problem when in other topics like the gay people giving blood thing you raged and wanted screening and justice. Well the same can be said here. Determine first if she's able to, don't simply cast her aside and discriminate. If you're going to be gung ho for all these rights, at least be 100% consistent buddy.

Game.


First of all, I didn't want their blood to be screened pre-donation. The blood is screened during the process anyway, so denying gays from donating on the grounds that they're at a higher risk for HIV is ridiculous because of it. Not to mention that any organization would be ripped to shreds if they refused to accept the blood of black donors, even though they're also at a higher risk for HIV.

Second of all, I already told you what I thought should happen and that I'd never argue against females on the front lines, just that I consider it less of an injustice and thus far lower on my laundry list of s*** that needs to happen/be erased.

But continue to believe you won. Your mind is the only place that's ever true.

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ExThaNemesis
09/23/11 7:31:00 AM
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So I just want to know how many people in this topic are in/are planning to join the military.

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Swifticuffs
09/23/11 7:33:00 AM
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rofl bio

i've won by not being you years and years ago pal. nice argument XMFD. utterly pathetic backtracking and dodging.

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Minipoooot
09/23/11 7:41:00 AM
#97:


Women will be allowed to serve on subs soon, I believe.

I will be in the military soon and I fully support the repeal of DADT.

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OmarsComin
09/23/11 7:42:00 AM
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you're not screwing around while on duty.

from all the people I've talked to who are active or retired military, this doesn't sound true at all! I hear some stories about Iraq.
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CeraSeptem
09/23/11 7:53:00 AM
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Because there are practical considerations involved. Women don't want to shower with a bunch of dudes. We don't call them bigots for that. Yet for some reason, straight men who don't want to shower with a bunch of gay men are hatemongers

You realize that these are not the same thing right.

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09/23/11 8:28:00 AM
#100:


ExThaNemesis posted...
From: SovietOmega | #008
maybe his name was boo? ._.
They're not saying boo, they're saying boo-urns!

Topic over, ExTha wins.

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ExThaNemesis
09/23/11 9:20:00 AM
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I don't know if I want the 'distinction' of winning this topic, Raven. >.>

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