Board 8 > B8 survivor (Topic II): Some changes are afoot.

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Immediate after this challenge I will be making some slight rule changes and adjustments, as well as doing a few other things to make things better, so keep an eye open for those. That being said I will repost the current challenge:

Challenge #6

Epic Coaster

Hard to screw this one up, it's a one button game. You press the space key to jump your coaster from track to track. Of course there are a number of distractions to try to screw you up, no worries though, it's nothing like Ski Runner. Simple fun, and you're pretty much all on even ground here. There is no really strategy or way to get an upper hand here like with Pixel Purge, you just jump.

-You have until Wednesday, September 14, 9pm est
-And again, I'm only taking your current score, not your High Score

Good luck, have fun, link is below:
http://www.kongregate.com/games/knigg/epic-coaster

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Also, to respond to this:

Averaging the scores just doesn't work for me. It's showing favoritism towards the smaller team. The Blue Team keeps winning, so they are expected to perform all 12 players every week until the end of the challenge? Whereas Red Team keeps losing, but it really doesn't hurt them that much because it's just one less person to average out. If anything Red Teams score will gradually get better and better if they keep losing. Something about that just doesn't seem right to me. The teams should just be even, and if they are not even, they should be made even.

That's incorrect. Even if you used averages, Blue team would still have the advantage every week, because if one of their players fails to show up or does poorly, it matter less to the team's average score.

The general assumption every round should be that every player in the game is going to at least attempt each challenge, yes?

If we're using averages and a Blue player doesn't bother submitting a score, that's 1/12th of their team.

If a Red player doesn't bother submitting a score, it's 1/9th of our team.

Each individual score on our team holds more weight, so we're still disadvantaged.

We just wouldn't be completely screwed like we are with the current rules.

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Yeah, with the current rules, I don't even feel like I help the team out by going for a great score. Heck, I don't even feel the need to submit a score. I mean, I would have, but I forgot because I didn't feel the need, but I would have remember if my score made a difference. In real Survivor you can't sit the same players out back-to-back, which is why that works.

In this, it is just like all the best competitors playing and the worst people on their team just doing nothing ever week. Wow.

From: 3DSRage | #005
Heck, I don't even feel the need to submit a score.

k well this mentality's really not great either

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In this, it is just like all the best competitors playing and the worst people on their team just doing nothing ever week. Wow.

Someone mentioned this at the end of the last topic and it sounds like it could work.

Blue Team, I will sit out the two lowest scores that are not The Mana Sword or Charton, as those were the two scores that got dropped last challenge. This rule will now last the remainder of the game; the same person or people cannot have their scores dropped two challenges in a row. If they do so inadvertently, I will simply take out the next lowest score and theirs will still count.

I apologize to Blue Team for just throwing this new rule at you mid game. I think it is a good rule not just for Red, but for both teams really. It's not cool to have the same people constantly sitting out, this is a team competition, everyone must participate. Sitting out for one challenge is one thing, but to always be the same people sitting out is another.

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After playing the game myself some more, I learned that what I typed up in my description is misleading. I stated that there is no way to get an advantage when in fact there is a way to get a slight advantage. As for what it is you must do to get this advantage, I'll leave that for you to figure out.

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I love this game because I am a goddamn Canabalt veteran.

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I'll give this a bump I suppose.

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k well this mentality's really not great either

Well, If my score is the best on our team and it is still 3rd overall, it is not like anything will change ;)

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In this, it is just like all the best competitors playing and the worst people on their team just doing nothing ever week. Wow.

Someone mentioned this at the end of the last topic and it sounds like it could work.

Blue Team, I will sit out the two lowest scores that are not The Mana Sword or Charton, as those were the two scores that got dropped last challenge. This rule will now last the remainder of the game; the same person or people cannot have their scores dropped two challenges in a row. If they do so inadvertently, I will simply take out the next lowest score and theirs will still count.

I apologize to Blue Team for just throwing this new rule at you mid game. I think it is a good rule not just for Red, but for both teams really. It's not cool to have the same people constantly sitting out, this is a team competition, everyone must participate. Sitting out for one challenge is one thing, but to always be the same people sitting out for several challenges in a row is another.

What about Jdizzy...the decision to count his zero and not the other two was kind of arbitrary in the first place....

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What about Jdizzy...the decision to count his zero and not the other two was kind of arbitrary in the first place....

I'm not sure what you want me to do here. I have to pick 2, I picked the first two going down the list. I think after this challenge I am going to make the teams pick who they want to sit out prior to the challenge, this just isn't working anymore. I thought it would, but it's just not. It will in fact be much easier for me if I know who is sitting out, rather than picking the lowest scores, especially if there's a 3 way tie for the lowest score and I have to pick 2 of them like this case.

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Or you could just average out the scores into one "Team Score" like we've been saying. If members of a team are bringing the team down, they will be voted out, doing it any other way allows players with very little skill (Or who only show up every couple of games) who happened to get a lucky tribe selection to last longer than members from the other tribe who are actually trying their hardest to survive. I really think averages is the best way, I don't know if people would agree but I don't see any other way being as fair...

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Averaging still just doesn't feel right to me, it's hard to explain, just doesn't feel like the winning team is being rewarded at all for winning, but is in fact just making it a lot harder on themselves.

Opting out seems better and it's how they actually do it on the show and probably how I should have done it in the beginning. As for the players with little skill being on the better team. Well for one you won't be able to sit out a player more than one challenge consecutively, and technically, there shouldn't be 'a better team'. Sure a certain team may be better at a particular challenge and have different skill sets, but overall they should be pretty even. I know what you're thinking, but I'm not yet convinced Red Team is the worse team here. They just aren't playing as a team and that's why they aren't winning more in my honest opinion.

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From: ff6man | #021
Or you could just average out the scores into one "Team Score" like we've been saying. If members of a team are bringing the team down, they will be voted out, doing it any other way allows players with very little skill (Or who only show up every couple of games) who happened to get a lucky tribe selection to last longer than members from the other tribe who are actually trying their hardest to survive. I really think averages is the best way, I don't know if people would agree but I don't see any other way being as fair...

This post contains nothing but the truth.

And like I already said, using averages, the larger team still has an advantage. It's just not a horrifically unfair advantage like they have now.

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Also, if you start having players opt out/ban players from having their score dropped in consecutive challenges, isn't that ruining the flow of the game?

Whereas if we start using averages, nothing changes, because we could've been using them the whole time and the same teams would've won.

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Also, as I already pointed out, you're never going to be able to have this play exactly like the show. The fundamental difference being that we're still in the tribe phase, yet we're doing individual challenges.

If we were all meeting up to play some 8 v 8 flash soccer game or something, the idea of having players sit out would make sense.

But every challenge, each individual player is responsible for their own score, entirely separate from the rest of the players in the game, including their team members.

In the show, there's a general concept that every player on a given tribe has to uphold their share of responsibility. If a tribe member is lacking, they will cause their tribe to lose, and are likely voted out.

The way we have this set up, players on the larger tribe are free to do absolutely nothing, and it doesn't penalize their tribe at all.

Whereas on the smaller tribe, every player counts.

How is that fair?

By using averages, we instill that every player in the game has a responsibility to show up and attempt to do well.

Again, the larger team still has an advantage, because if someone on their team fails to show up or underperforms, it affects the team average less than it does on the team with less players.

I just think if an individual is failing to perform in challenges, their entire tribe should feel the consequences of that.

Isn't that how it works in the show?

That's all I'm saying.

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Oh, one more thing.

On the show, when players sit out, the players who don't participate in a given challenge are decided before the challenge starts. They don't get to even practice or attempt the challenge.

They have to strategically select the players they think will do the worst in the challenge.

Whereas here, you're letting the entire tribe attempt any given challenge, and then decide after the fact to drop the scores of the players who did the worst/failed to show up.

So basically, the larger tribe is given way more chances at putting up good scores.

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Also, as I already pointed out, you're never going to be able to have this play exactly like the show. The fundamental difference being that we're still in the tribe phase, yet we're doing individual challenges.

If we were all meeting up to play some 8 v 8 flash soccer game or something, the idea of having players sit out would make sense.

But every challenge, each individual player is responsible for their own score, entirely separate from the rest of the players in the game, including their team members.

I tried explaining this to you once. It's about communication. Talk to each other, give each other strategies, tell you team mates your high score, let them try to beat it, then try to beat theirs after they do. Compete against each other before you compete against Blue Team. You will have much better scores I promise.

On the show, when players sit out, the players who don't participate in a given challenge are decided before the challenge starts. They don't get to even practice or attempt the challenge.

This is how it will be. While the losing tribe is voting a person off, the winning tribe will be deciding who is sitting out the next challenge. They will have no clue what the next challenge is beforehand.

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Alright then.

I'm just saying, with averages the game would retain consistency at least.

But do what you will.

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Just letting everyone know I may be a tad late tallying scores tomorrow. Maybe not, but if I'm like a half hour to an hour late you know.

All pms do have a time on them though so remember, 9pm est tomorrow!

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ahhhhh godammit. I think this might be the end of our winning streak. I'm having the hardest time getting past 200k BECAUSE I KEEP ****ING FALLING!!!!! D:

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Hey everyone, I really hate to say it but I think I'm gonna bow out. S***'s getting real IRL this past few days. Gotta study/take my SATs, go through some driving courses, find a job and residence in Tampa all within the next month or so or things will be pretty bad for ol' JZ.

I definitely wouldn't have entered if I knew things were gonna sprout up like this all of a sudden but there it is. Thanks to my awesome team for keepin' it real, thanks to Ikon for not dropping this like so many game hosts and a very special thanks to Dante because why the f*** not.

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I'm close enough to Jeff Zero, right? I should get his spot as well as my own. Totally the fairest way to do things.

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challenge rendered pointless by player quitting? I think so!

Or else we just eliminate him and we sitout three and go through with the week as planned?

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I'm thinking the latter would be a better idea.

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Yeah the latter

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Interesting. Okay, here's what I'm doing, Jeff Zero is gone, leaving Red Team with just 8 players. Blue Team still has 12 players, so Blue you'll actually be sitting out 4 players. The 4 lowest scores that aren't Charton or The Mana Sword, that was the new rule introduced in post #7 because it's not fair to have the same people sitting out consecutive challenges, the is after all a team game.

I will tally soon.

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Sounds good.

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So did the Red Team finally get there act together? And if so was it still not enough to take on the dominating force that is Blue? And how about that Jeff Zero character just leaving the tribe suddenly, what's up with that? IRL stuff, psh, whatever. haha. Will that have any effect on anything? Well it might, because now I have to take out the 4 lowest scores from Blue that aren't Charton and The Mana Sword, that could mean trouble if they decided not to participate. Let's see how it all pans out shall we?

* = Did not participate/submit a score.
** = Lowest score not counted in total.

Blue Team
ff6man.....................1,894,978
Dexter28..................1,677,312
Charton....................0 *
The Mana Sword.....334,273
Chronic1000............1,464,959
ctesjbuvf..................1,142,337
Justin_Crossing.......1,306,248
jdizzy........................0 **
ImTheMacheteGuy...921,019 **
UnderUrMattress......952,585 **
edwardsdv................1,126,151
Ayuyu........................1,017,657 **
Total....................8,946,258

Red Team
Regaro_Ukiera..........1,060,267
JeffreyRaze...............1,465,094
Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer....1,089,689
illuminatusbubu.........1,027,194
3DSRage...................1,205,956
X_Dante_X................1,172,792
Luster_Myst...............1,152,116
Warning_Crazy..........1,023,107
Total.....................9,196,215

Ohhh looks like Blue Team wins again... Wait, WHAT?!?! Red Team won?!? Yeah that's right, Red Team won this challenge. But don't you gloat too much though, even with Chartons 0, and The Mana Swords pretty weak score in the mix, they still only lost by not even 250k. In fact 3 of the top 4 scores are still from Blue Team, just saying. But how about Red Team, not one score under a million, talk about consistency, that's what it takes to win challenges. You deserve this one Red Team.

With that said, Blue Team it is you that will be voting a player off. You have until
Thursday, September 15th, 9pm est to send me your votes.
Nearly forgot, ff6man, with a score like that, yeah, you're immune, no one vote for him.


As for you Red, for once, you don't have to worry about anything.

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Damn, really sad my score didn't get us the win. Ah well.

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Phew, finally. V_V.

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Very close game, props to Red Team for that close win.

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**** yeah.

Jesus.

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Bah... seriously having to count a 0 and bad score when we had good enough scoresto win this in the old method...

Whatever its long past time we purged our inactives.

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From: edwardsdv | #047
Bah... seriously having to count a 0 and bad score when we had good enough scoresto win this in the old method...

only serving as further proof that the old method was incredibly unfair tbqh

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