Board 8 > ~SNIPING!~ Sniper Wolf vs. Duke Nukem

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X_Dante_X
08/12/11 9:25:00 PM
#1:


Can Sniper Wolf KO Duke Nukem with a single shot before one hour passes?



The fight takes place in Happiness Island - The in-game equivalent of the island on which the Statue of Liberty is situated. There is a small museum, the Statue of Happiness itself, and several small docks on the island. Access to the rest of the city is forbidden..



Guidelines
- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.
- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.



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- Bold your votes (using <b> and </b>).
- Provide a justification for why you think the selected merc would win. Fanboy logic, ignoring character assumptions or rules, and vague or unintelligible justifications are all grounds for having your vote disqualified.
- If you want to switch your vote, simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish.
- This match will end when one side reaches 7 votes, or in 6 hours, whichever comes first.



Sniper Wolf is as she appears in Metal Gear Solid.

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Duke Nukem is as he appears in the Duke Nukem series. He possesses his X-3000 from Manhattan Project, His Chaingun from Duke Nukem 3D, His Explosive Ammo Shotgun from Duke Nukem 64, and His RPG from Duke Nuken 3D. He also has his Jetpack, Night Vision Goggles, Scuba Gear, and Holoduke from Duke Nukem 3D.

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X_Dante_X
08/12/11 9:26:00 PM
#2:


Duke is very egotistical, and ready to take on the entire damn world. What he isn’t, however, is capable of taking a bullet to the skull. Sniper wolf has an hour (which to a sniper is all the time in the world) in order to locate Duke, and kill him. If Duke even realizes someone is out to get him, he isn’t the kind of guy who’d try to hide in terror – he’d go out and attempt to face his threat like a man, and beat them mano a mano. Unfortunately for him, Wolf isn’t a man, and isn’t afraid of fighting dirty with some sniping action. Either way, Duke just doesn’t have the durability to survive one bullet, nor does he have the maneuverability to dodge one – even with his jetpack. Wolf makes a living sniping tough targets, his movements in the jetpack wouldn’t be a big deal. Duke does have the use of his Holoduke, which is his greatest asset in trying to lure away Wolf’s bullet – but it only lasts 92 seconds , and Wolf tracks her targets much longer than that before taking the shot. While Duke does become cloaked during its use, he’s still somewhat visible, and snipers excel at tracking low visibility targets.

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_Regaro_
08/12/11 9:26:00 PM
#3:


Duke blows up the statue and kills Sniper Wolf in the process

prove me wrong

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Blairville
08/12/11 9:26:00 PM
#4:


Duke's manliness will deflect the bullet obviously.

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Drakeryn
08/12/11 9:27:00 PM
#5:


Obviously Sniper Wolf becomes one of Duke's babes. She swoons at the sight of him and he will carry her off triumphantly into the sunset.

But seriously, even without that, Duke still wins.

(1) Duke's knowledge

Mercs always know the win condition for any topic they're in, whether it's "kill all enemies," "wrangle the most cows," "bake a delicious cake," or, in this case, "survive for one hour." Duke should be aware that he's on a limited-time survival mission, and he can act accordingly.

(2) Duke's survivability

As it says in Duke Nukem 3D: "Murderous aliens have landed in futuristic Los Angeles, and humans suddenly find themselves atop the endangered species list. The odds are a million-to-one, just the way Duke likes it!" Hordes of aliens with chainguns, rocket launchers, shotguns, you name it -- and he canonically defeats them all. The man who single-handedly repelled an invasion of aliens packing heavy weaponry is not going to be brought down by a single bullet, especially when he has a heads-up that he's on a survival mission for an hour.


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_Regaro_
08/12/11 9:28:00 PM
#6:


ok yeah there's also the last sentence of what Drak said


I like my logic better

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HanOfTheNekos
08/12/11 9:29:00 PM
#7:


Does KO in this instance mean incapacitate or kill?

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X_Dante_X
08/12/11 9:29:00 PM
#8:


I assume thats up to your own interpretation, Han.

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_Regaro_
08/12/11 9:30:00 PM
#9:


Always bet on Duke


Also what Drak said and what I said earlier

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Drakeryn
08/12/11 9:30:00 PM
#10:


Every 4 days, Sniper Wolf may attempt to KO a preselected opposing enemy Merc with only one shot before one hour is up. If she can't, the Merc survives to fight.

Since it speaks about survival, I think she needs to kill in order to win.


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X_Dante_X
08/12/11 9:31:00 PM
#11:


I disagree - I think the "survives to fight" is just flavor, a Knock Out is a Knock Out. Regardless, use whatever you feel is right.

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WarThaNemesis2
08/12/11 9:32:00 PM
#12:


Duke gets drunk after one damn beer. His manliness is all a lie. Sniper Wolf

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X_Dante_X
08/12/11 9:39:00 PM
#13:


There is really absolutely no reason to believe Duke can survive a sniper round to the skull - Even if he canonically repelled aliens, does he have any "cutscene feats" that were so important the other day, that could show him able to withstand bullets to the skull?

He is 100% human, nothing special at all about him. If a sniper round hits his skull, he is done for.

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KJH
08/12/11 9:42:00 PM
#14:


Sniper Wolf.

Duke's already gonna be hesitant to kill a lady, loathe to use real cover or subtlety yet won't know where Sniper Wolf's attacking from, and is absolutely loaded up with explosives. Given Wolf could nail Solid Snake with a shot from long range in a blizzard just as a warning, there's no problem on hitting Duke and either blasting his brains out with a bullet through the skull or gibbing him by shooting one of the tons of explosives on hand.

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FFDragon
08/12/11 9:42:00 PM
#15:


why couldn't duke just chill in the statue of liberty for an hour

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X_Dante_X
08/12/11 9:43:00 PM
#16:


Duke is far too manly for that, FFD. If he's in a survival situation, he wants to make it into a Dukival situation.

Too bad for him he'll lose his face in the process

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Drakeryn
08/12/11 9:44:00 PM
#17:


He is 100% human, nothing special at all about him.

His feats indicate otherwise. Just going by plot -- aliens have taken over, presumably wiping out untold ordinary humans in the process, but then Duke arrives on the scene and takes on the alien invasion himself. The fact that he's able to do this and succeed suggests that he's well beyond ordinary.


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FFDragon
08/12/11 9:44:00 PM
#18:


WarThaNemesis2 posted...
Duke gets drunk after one damn beer. His manliness is all a lie. Sniper Wolf

X_Dante_X posted...
Duke is far too manly for that, FFD.

You have votes for you that even state otherwise!

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X_Dante_X
08/12/11 9:45:00 PM
#19:


His actual manliness and his own perceived manliness are two different things!

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WarThaNemesis2
08/12/11 9:45:00 PM
#20:


I never said Duke doesn't THINK he's manly!

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Psycho_Kenshin
08/12/11 9:49:00 PM
#21:


This is obvious, Sniper Wolf is a very attractive, highly sexual woman. Duke is Duke. They'll just be ****in'. Maybe she'll shoot him first, maybe not, his ego bar is strong enough to take that and still git. it. on.


As for an answer to who would win, it's not really fair since in Sniper Wolf's universe its much easier to die (as she knows), Duke has handled crazy stuff, Duke would win a fight due to his unfair advantage there.

Always bet on Duke.

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X_Dante_X
08/12/11 9:51:00 PM
#22:


Dukes feats really don't suggest anything about his durability - Yeah, he's good at killing aliens, but the fact is we still have no reason to believe he can tank this bullet.

Psycho - What crazier stuff has duke handled that allows him to tank a sniper bullet to the skull?

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Drakeryn
08/12/11 9:53:00 PM
#23:


Dukes feats really don't suggest anything about his durability - Yeah, he's good at killing aliens, but the fact is we still have no reason to believe he can tank this bullet.

He's good at killing hordes of aliens who are armed to the teeth with automatic weaponry. Either he's some kind of crazy insane dodgewhore or, more likely, he's tough enough to take a hit and keep fighting.


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FFDragon
08/12/11 9:54:00 PM
#24:


I honesty don't think she ever lines up a shot.

Duke has ADD, he could get lost in that museum for several hours and come out wearing one of these:

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Psycho_Kenshin
08/12/11 9:58:00 PM
#25:


X_Dante_X posted...
Dukes feats really don't suggest anything about his durability - Yeah, he's good at killing aliens, but the fact is we still have no reason to believe he can tank this bullet.

Psycho - What crazier stuff has duke handled that allows him to tank a sniper bullet to the skull?


Well, I mean depending on how literally to take this, I've literally taken sniper bullets to the skull or railgun bolts or rockets and survived as Duke. He gets attacked by an alien mothership, and it just knocks him out for a few hours.

Pretty much, its a more realistic (aka killable) character versus a very over-the-top action hero. Gotta bet on Duke.

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HanOfTheNekos
08/12/11 10:16:00 PM
#26:


Wolf couldn't even kill Meryl.

Duke

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X_Dante_X
08/12/11 10:18:00 PM
#27:


It's been a long time since I've played MGS1, but wasn't wolf not even trying to kill Meryl? I'm pretty sure the intent was to injure her to get snake to do something or other, maybe a warning shot

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X_Dante_X
08/12/11 10:19:00 PM
#28:


Campbell : Meryl! Damn!! Snake, it's a trap! Sniper's trick to lure you out.The sniper's waiting for you to go and help Meryl so he can pick you off...Don't do it!

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HanOfTheNekos
08/12/11 10:21:00 PM
#29:


X_Dante_X posted...
Campbell : Meryl! Damn!! Snake, it's a trap! Sniper's trick to lure you out.The sniper's waiting for you to go and help Meryl so he can pick you off...Don't do it!

Yeah, well Snake beats her anyway.

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MarvelousGerbil
08/12/11 10:22:00 PM
#30:


Easily

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X_Dante_X
08/12/11 10:23:00 PM
#31:


you should bold that and add a justification, Gerbil! something like "Duke couldn't possibly survive a shot to the head from wolf"!

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dragon22391
08/12/11 10:24:00 PM
#32:


Snake, a stealth operative, or Duke, machismo-laden loudmouth who actively trash talks his enemies as he's trying to kill them.

A very intense blizzard, versus a clear and sunny day on a small island.

Yeah, no disparity there at all.

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GANON1025
08/12/11 10:26:00 PM
#33:


Because of the vague wording of the writeup, can events and feats from DNF be taken into account here?

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dragon22391
08/12/11 10:45:00 PM
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Y'know, that's a good question. There isn't a rule against as far as I know.

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FFDragon
08/12/11 10:46:00 PM
#35:


I got flak for trying to use Tekken 6 crap for Heihachi when it came out, but I don't remember if there was an actual ruling on it.

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KJH
08/12/11 11:15:00 PM
#36:


Solid Snake's a better action hero than Duke. Duke's level of action hero is only MAYBE Arnold Schwarzenegger near the very end of Commando, when fighting his fat rival.

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FFDragon
08/12/11 11:19:00 PM
#37:


Duke is at least end of Predators Ahnold.

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X_Dante_X
08/12/11 11:47:00 PM
#38:


I wonder if dukes honor code will allow him to steal that hat at the museum. Theres no one tending the shop, so it'd have to be stolen!

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FFDragon
08/13/11 3:32:00 AM
#39:


Is it tied?

I don't even know.

But whatever.

What I said earlier -- There's just too many places for Duke to be completely covered and impossible for Wolf to shoot him. I think Duke would actually have to try harder to get shot than not.

So yeah. Balls of Steel are better than a single bullet.

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