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ExThaNemesis
08/02/11 1:24:00 PM
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At this point just because I love seeing people flip out over this stuff. I'd enjoy seeing my facebook wall overrun with "OMFG I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY'RE LETTING CASEY ANTHONY DO THIS EVERYONE NEEDS TO BOYCOTT HUSTLER AND I HOPE SOMEONE SHOOTS HER."

No, really. There were at least five status updates the day the verdict was released of people hoping that someone would kill her. This country is a joke.

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OctilIery
08/02/11 1:26:00 PM
#2:


Being mad that someone obviously guilty gets let off makes the country a joke, not the person getting let off?

"ok"

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Achromatic
08/02/11 1:29:00 PM
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From: OctilIery | #002
Being mad that someone obviously guilty gets let off makes the country a joke, not the person getting let off?

"ok"


Didn't seem obviously guilty to me.

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Leebo86
08/02/11 1:29:00 PM
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From: Achromatic | #003
Didn't seem obviously guilty to me.


>_>

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OctilIery
08/02/11 1:30:00 PM
#5:


Achromatic posted...
From: OctilIery | #002
Being mad that someone obviously guilty gets let off makes the country a joke, not the person getting let off?

"ok"
Didn't seem obviously guilty to me.

ok, let me rephrase the statement.

It's people that lack common sense and let off obviously guilty people that make the country a joke.

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SlymDayspring
08/02/11 1:31:00 PM
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Being mad that someone obviously guilty gets let off makes the country a joke, not the person getting let off?

how is she a joke if she, in your opinion, LITERALLY got away with murder? if anything the joke in that situation would be the florida justice system.

at any rate, I also hope she accepts the offer, because I too intend on facebook trolling.

I don't know if she will be able to thought, even if she wants to, because she is now ordered to stay in orlando and be on probation for a year because of check fraud "lawl"

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FFDragon
08/02/11 1:31:00 PM
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OctilIery posted...
Being mad that someone obviously guilty gets let off makes the country a joke, not the person getting let off?

"ok"

But just think of how many people will be getting off when she takes Hustler's offer !!

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Achromatic
08/02/11 1:32:00 PM
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From: OctilIery | #005
Achromatic posted...
From: OctilIery | #002
Being mad that someone obviously guilty gets let off makes the country a joke, not the person getting let off?

"ok"
Didn't seem obviously guilty to me.

ok, let me rephrase the statement.

It's people that lack common sense and let off obviously guilty people that make the country a joke.


I disagree. Common sense should not guide our legal system. There are some mistakes, but generally our legal system is good stuff. Public perception guiding our legal system would be much worse than this system could ever be. Hint: The country isn't a joke aside from our debt situation.

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Leebo86
08/02/11 1:33:00 PM
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She obviously did something criminal.

I agree that proving it was very difficult.

But thinking she didn't do anything criminal is pretty lol.

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Achromatic
08/02/11 1:34:00 PM
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From: Leebo86 | #009
She obviously did something criminal.

I agree that proving it was very difficult.

But thinking she didn't do anything criminal is pretty lol.


Okay, cool. Well when you thinking she did something criminal means anything let me know.

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OctilIery
08/02/11 1:34:00 PM
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Being mad that someone obviously guilty gets let off makes the country a joke, not the person getting let off?

how is she a joke if she, in your opinion, LITERALLY got away with murder? if anything the joke in that situation would be the florida justice system.

at any rate, I also hope she accepts the offer, because I too intend on facebook trolling.

I don't know if she will be able to thought, even if she wants to, because she is now ordered to stay in orlando and be on probation for a year because of check fraud "lawl"

Poorly worded. What I meant was that her getting let off makes the country more of a joke than people getting mad over it does.

I disagree.

Ok. Then you're wrong. End of discussion.

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Leebo86
08/02/11 1:35:00 PM
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From: Achromatic | #010
Okay, cool. Well when you thinking she did something criminal means anything let me know.


Just making sure we're on the same page... you made it sound like you didn't think she did anything criminal. Or at least you thought she might not have.

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OctilIery
08/02/11 1:36:00 PM
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The whole point of a jury is to convict someone when it seems they did something criminal.

She was obviously guilty, she didn't get convicted, the system failed. End of story.

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Achromatic
08/02/11 1:37:00 PM
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From: Leebo86 | #012
Just making sure we're on the same page... you made it sound like you didn't think she did anything criminal. Or at least you thought she might not have.


No, I meant she wasn't guilty in the sense of the fact that no burden of proof was met. I don't care if you think she did something criminal, she probably did. But I just got sick of hearing about how she should have been found guilty when there is no way in hell that is true. I live in Florida, and it was buzz for a very long time around here. Like I don't have any problem with people having an opinion on the subject but I got a lot of "why did that damn jury let her off" and I am like "lack of evidence?" so I get annoyed on this subject quickly I suppose.

(See, like Joyrock)

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Leebo86
08/02/11 1:38:00 PM
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The thing is... I can't really think of any reasonable explanations for all the circumstances that don't involve her doing something horrible to her daughter.

And apparently the jury could.

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Achromatic
08/02/11 1:39:00 PM
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That's not how burden of proof works, Leebo.

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SlymDayspring
08/02/11 1:39:00 PM
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literally NOBODY thinks she did not do anything criminal. she obviously BARE MINIMUM lied to the cops. The dispute tends to be whether or not she committed pre-meditated murder or if there was some kind of accident or something else entirely.

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Leebo86
08/02/11 1:40:00 PM
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In a circumstantial case, the "reasonable doubt" has to still fit with all the circumstances. If it doesn't, it's not reasonable.

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OctilIery
08/02/11 1:41:00 PM
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And in the end it doesn't matter, because she was guilty, but got let off.

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Achromatic
08/02/11 1:41:00 PM
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From: Leebo86 | #018
In a circumstantial case, the "reasonable doubt" has to still fit with all the circumstances. If it doesn't, it's not reasonable.


Again, the doubt came mostly from the weak case in general. Like, they had nothing to prosecute her with from what I saw. I don't pretend to follow the trial closely but from what I have read during and since it seems like there was barely a case here.

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HanOfTheNekos
08/02/11 1:42:00 PM
#21:


Achromatic posted...
From: OctilIery | #005
Achromatic posted...
From: OctilIery | #002
Being mad that someone obviously guilty gets let off makes the country a joke, not the person getting let off?

"ok"
Didn't seem obviously guilty to me.

ok, let me rephrase the statement.

It's people that lack common sense and let off obviously guilty people that make the country a joke.
I disagree. Common sense should not guide our legal system. There are some mistakes, but generally our legal system is good stuff. Public perception guiding our legal system would be much worse than this system could ever be. Hint: The country isn't a joke aside from our debt situation.


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Leebo86
08/02/11 1:43:00 PM
#22:


They had a mountain of circumstantial evidence. Circumstantial evidence isn't weak by default. It's just a description of a kind of evidence. There wasn't a lot of direct evidence, like a witness or DNA at the burial scene, but you don't necessarily need direct evidence to prove a case.

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SlymDayspring
08/02/11 1:44:00 PM
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there was no case. they had almost no evidence and relied entirely upon creating a story about how she was some party girl who wanted to kill her kid to keep partying, but didn't supply anything to actually tie her to killing her at all. legally, they had a very weak case in my opinion.

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Achromatic
08/02/11 1:45:00 PM
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From: Leebo86 | #022
They had a mountain of circumstantial evidence. Circumstantial evidence isn't weak by default. It's just a description of a kind of evidence. There wasn't a lot of direct evidence, like a witness or DNA at the burial scene, but you don't necessarily need direct evidence to prove a case.


Actually from what I know Circumstantial is another word for weak by default, really. I mean you just ran into their problem: They had nothing concrete. That's... never good for a case.

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edwardsdv
08/02/11 1:45:00 PM
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I would like to thank this topic for proving Exthas point in the OP.

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Leebo86
08/02/11 1:45:00 PM
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From: Achromatic | #024
Actually from what I know Circumstantial is another word for weak by default


That's a misconception. Perhaps it's one the jury had too.

Not saying they were wrong, but they may have had that misconception.

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Achromatic
08/02/11 1:45:00 PM
#27:


Extha's real point: I want to see Casey Anthony naked.

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Achromatic
08/02/11 1:46:00 PM
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From: Leebo86 | #026
That's a misconception. Perhaps it's one the jury had too.

Not saying they were wrong, but they may have had that misconception.


Well why is that a misconception? I mean basically I give the jury the credit of them having sat in the box and heard everything. If they believe the evidence they had was weak, it was weak. The job is to convince the jury. I mean what exactly was strong about the case? I don't understand really.

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ExThaNemesis
08/02/11 1:47:00 PM
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From: Achromatic | #027
Extha's real point: I want to see Casey Anthony naked.


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ExThaNemesis
08/02/11 1:47:00 PM
#30:


but seriously my point is that this country is a joke because so many people care so much about this (read: joyrock)

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Leebo86
08/02/11 1:47:00 PM
#31:


I'm not disagreeing with you that it was a difficult case to prove. It's not obvious in the sense that it should have 100% led to a guilty verdict. It wasn't the strongest possible case.

I don't think we disagree that much.

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Ayuyu
08/02/11 1:48:00 PM
#32:


Achromatic posted...
Extha's real point: I want to see Casey Anthony naked.

Good reason.

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Achromatic
08/02/11 1:48:00 PM
#33:


From: Leebo86 | #031
I'm not disagreeing with you that it was a difficult case to prove. It's not obvious in the sense that it should have 100% led to a guilty verdict. It wasn't the strongest possible case.

I don't think we disagree that much.


Yeah probably not. You are reasonable and we are just debating some merits here. If I had any venom it was directed towards someone like Joyrock, not you Leebo.

We are bros from the OT days.

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Leebo86
08/02/11 1:54:00 PM
#34:


What I meant by the fact that it's a misconception that "circumstantial is by default weaker than direct" is the fact that direct evidence is often very weak. A witness can have a poor memory or think they saw something they didn't actually see.

A circumstance can't change. The fact that Casey was shown on video calmly renting a movie hours after her daughter died (whether by murder, accident, or whatever, it doesn't really matter) is irrefutable. It doesn't prove murder, but it's not going to waver.

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Biolizard28
08/02/11 1:54:00 PM
#35:


OctilIery posted...
ok, let me rephrase the statement.

It's people that lack common sense and let off obviously guilty people that make the country a joke.

You just said the exact same thing that was implied in your first post.

And you're still completely wrong.

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Procrastinater
08/02/11 1:54:00 PM
#36:


We should start a "Get Casey Anthony Naked" fan page.

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Achromatic
08/02/11 1:55:00 PM
#37:


From: Leebo86 | #034
What I meant by the fact that it's a misconception that "circumstantial is by default weaker than direct" is the fact that direct evidence is often very weak. A witness can have a poor memory or think they saw something they didn't actually see.

A circumstance can't change. The fact that Casey was seen calmly renting a movie hours after her daughter died (whether by murder, accident, or whatever, it doesn't really matter) is irrefutable. It doesn't prove murder, but it's not going to waver.




Well, yeah I can see what you mean. I am saying that circumstantial evidence is always weak though. It doesn't have to be weaker than default, but its always weak and therefore is a known weakness. While direct has a possibility of being weak but can in fact be very, very strong.

Also who rents a movie after committing murder how odd.

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ExThaNemesis
08/02/11 1:55:00 PM
#38:


From: Procrastinater | #036
We should start a "Get Casey Anthony Naked" fan page.


can you imagine how pissed people would get?

Let's do it.

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Leebo86
08/02/11 1:56:00 PM
#39:


From: Achromatic | #037
Also who rents a movie after committing murder how odd.


And based on the forensic evidence, even if you think the death was an accident, the body was in the trunk while she was renting that movie. Nice.

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SBell0105
08/02/11 1:57:00 PM
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From: Leebo86 | #039
And based on the forensic evidence, even if you think the death was an accident, the body was in the trunk while she was renting that movie. Nice.




For some reason i was just reminded of "The Vanishing"

I dont know why.

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TimJab
08/02/11 2:01:00 PM
#41:


From: OctilIery | #013
The whole point of a jury is to convict someone when it seems they did something criminal.


That's not it at all.

The point of a jury is to convict someone when it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the did something criminal.

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ExThaNemesis
08/02/11 2:03:00 PM
#42:


joyrock is one of the facebook people I was talking about. Literally enraged about a case that has no impact on his own life.

Find something better to focus your energy on.

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ShatteredElysium
08/02/11 2:07:00 PM
#43:


ExThaNemesis posted...
From: Procrastinater | #036
We should start a "Get Casey Anthony Naked" fan page.
can you imagine how pissed people would get?

Let's do it.

I'm down, if only because I'm getting pretty tired about how hung up people are about this case. It was bad enough hearing it non-stop off the wife and mother-in-law non-stop when I honestly couldn't give a f*** and they at least live in Florida.

Terrible s*** happens every day. Some of it far worse than this case. Yes it's horrible and all but going on and on about it won't change a thing. Not for the current case nor for any future cases that are similar. People should instead vent at terrible stuff they may actually be able to have an impact on imo.

It was similar when Amy Winehouse died. So many people harping on about her death and how it was a terrible tragedy and the such whilst completely ignoring what happened in Norway at virtually the same time.

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Leebo86
08/02/11 2:07:00 PM
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I too would like to see her take that offer, just because... hey, she's gonna need the money so why not get naked at the same time.

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OctilIery
08/02/11 2:08:00 PM
#45:


Actually I have focused next to no energy on the case, Extha.

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ExThaNemesis
08/02/11 2:08:00 PM
#46:


I liked what the head investigator said after the trial the best.

Something to the effect of: "We will continue working on the 100-some odd (don't remember the real number) other unsolved murder cases in this county which are no more or less important than [the Casey Anthony] case."

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SmartMuffin
08/02/11 2:09:00 PM
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I'd join that Facebook group except I don't want anyone from B8 knowing me on Facebook <_<

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OctilIery
08/02/11 2:09:00 PM
#48:


Honestly, this isn't even the worst injustice this year. That goes to Texas ruling in favor of a school who kicked a girl off her cheerleading team because she refused to do a cheer specifically for a boy who raped her.

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ExThaNemesis
08/02/11 2:11:00 PM
#49:


From: SmartMuffin | #047
I'd join that Facebook group except I don't want anyone from B8 knowing me on Facebook <_<


I doubt anyone on board 8 wants to know you any more than they have to.

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SmartMuffin
08/02/11 2:13:00 PM
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I doubt anyone on board 8 wants to know you any more than they have to.

I can think of at least one person who almost certainly does!

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