Board 8 > NCAA Games II: Week 12 Results and Discussion Topic

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Melee at its peak potential is a top 5 game in this contest.

And stop suggesting matches with no rivalry connection for rivalry week just because you want to see games face each other.

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hey Leon I say you set up Chrono Trigger vs Umineko for the next rivalry week because I want to see if Chrono Trigger can keep up its great RPI plus B8 has loved both games at one point so it would be a great match

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Connection established

Consider it done

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The connection between RE4 and SSBM should be plainly obvious.

SSBM was the GameCube's first major game, and RE4 was the GameCube's last one.

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Nonsense

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I oppose CT vs. Umineko on the grounds that Umineko will hurt CT's SOS to the point that it would probably need to win with 100% of the vote to maintain its RPI.

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I already addressed that tbqh

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I feel rivalry shouldn't mean SFF. As a general rule, I'd like to put fanbases that dislike each other together in rivalry matches.....Nintendo vs. Square is of course our biggest rivalry, and Old vs. New is pretty good too.

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Eh, some of the more heated discussions are going to be "Which game in the series is the best one?" so they make more natural and better rivalries, honestly.

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Well, there's just no vitriol, no passion, in the Mario series debate at least. There is some in the Zelda series debate, but even there, I feel like most of the debate on it on this board is due to you and LMS. Same with Final Fantasy- people have a favorite Final Fantasy game, but they don't see the others as the enemy, which is what rivalries are all about.

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90s games > 00s games

I have plenty of passion about Mario 64 undeservedly beating these other Mario games!

And FF debates get plenty passionate because they're much more different from entry to entry than series like Mario and Zelda.

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FF debates used to be passionate, but as Square has lost relevance on this site, they've really quieted down. I haven't seen FFVI fans trash VII in any big way in years.

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Eh, you're not in the right topics if you don't see some passionate FF debating from time to time.

Besides, this "vitriol" you want is largely non-existent during the offseason because it's usually contest newbies who come to the board complaining about how the game beating the game they like sucks.

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RE4 is legit, MGS3 was fake. Feels pretty good.

Also hoorah for FFVIII!

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IF ONLY I WEREN'T ASLEEP...

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I wonder if getting crushed by CT would raise Umineko to 167 in the RPI.

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Congratulations to Black Turtle for winning the guru contest.

All right, let's check how Nintendo vs. Square/Enix is going this contest (note that I'm counting Super Mario RPG as Nintendo, and I'm pretending like FR/LG was never in this contest):

Week 1
Star Fox 64 > The World Ends With You
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance > Nier
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > Kingdom Hearts II
Super Metroid > Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride
Professor Layton and the Unwound Future > Star Ocean: The Second Story

Final Fantasy IX > The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
Kingdom Hearts > Mario Kart DS
Nintendo wins, 5-2

Week 2
Star Fox 64 > Final Fantasy VIII
Super Smash Bros. > Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride
Super Metroid > Star Ocean: The Second Story

Chrono Trigger > The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Nintendo wins, 3-1, and is overall winning by 8-3

Week 3
Super Mario 64 > Chrono Cross
Super Mario Bros. 3 > Final Fantasy VII
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow > Final Fantasy VI

Final Fantasy IX > Mario Kart 64
Final Fantasy Tactics > Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
Nintendo wins, 3-2, and is overall winning by 11-5

Week 4
Paper Mario > Kingdom Hearts
Super Mario 64 > Final Fantasy VIII

Chrono Trigger > Mother 3
Final Fantasy IX > Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum
Nintendo and Square tie, 2-2, and Nintendo is overall winning by 13-7

Week 5
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Final Fantasy VII
Fire Emblem 7 > Final Fantasy Tactics
Super Smash Bros. Melee > Final Fantasy X
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past > Final Fantasy VI

Chrono Trigger > Super Mario Bros. 3
Nintendo wins, 4-1, and is overall winning by 17-8

Week 6
Super Mario Bros. 3 > Xenogears
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > Star Ocean: The Second Story

Final Fantasy VIII > Elite Beat Agents

...I'm stopping here because I don't have the will power to continue further.

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RE4 what a great game.

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Yesterday's results:

Sonic CD (Sonic Overload Conference) (3-9) – 12 (26.09%)
#23 Paper Mario (Games of the Decades Conference) (11-1) – 34 (73.91%)
--Apparently paper is strong enough to survive a Sonic Boom.

Xenogears (Brawl for Broke Conference) (8-4) – 26 (61.90%)
World of Goo (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (2-10) – 16 (38.10%)
--Xenogears gets an easy win over World of Goo.

flower (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (1-11) – 15 (40.54%)
Gears of War (Sonic Overload Conference) (1-11) – 22 (59.46%)
--It took 23 tries, but a Gears of War game finally won a match in the contest.

Tales of Symphonia (Cult RPG Galaxy Conference) (10-2) – 33 (70.21%)
Starcraft (Fanservice Conference) (7-5) – 14 (29.79%)
--Symphonia tears Starcraft apart.

Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (Brawl for Broke Conference) (7-5) – 21 (51.22%)
Hotel Dusk: Room 215 (Smackdown Hotel Conference) (4-8) – 20 (48.78%)
--This one looked headed for overtime, but Brotherhood got the last minute vote to break the tie and get the win.

Demon's Souls (Zelda Overload Conference) (2-10) – 14 (30.43%)
#3 Super Mario 64 (Nintendo Objections Conference) (11-1) – 32 (69.57%)
--Super Mario 64 takes care of business against Demon's Souls.

The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (Zelda Overload Conference) (8-4) – 23 (46.94%)
Portal (Patriot Time Portals Conference) (10-2) – 26 (53.06%)
--It was a hard fought match, but Portal winds up on top at the end.

Mother 3 (Sonic Overload Conference) (8-4) – 26 (63.41%)
MVP Baseball 2005 (Metroid Eater Conference) (0-12) – 15 (36.59%)
--No comment necessary at this point.

Super Smash Bros. (Smash Trigger Conference) (6-6) – 28 (58.33%)
Elite Beat Agents (Nintendo Objections Conference) (1-11) – 20 (41.67%)
--Elite Beat Agents hasn't won since Week 1, yikes.

Valkyria Chronicles (Brawl for Broke Conference) (7-5) – 27 (71.05%)
Suikoden III (Fanservice Conference) (2-10) – 11 (28.95%)
--Valkyria Chronicles puts a beatdown on Suikoden III.

Viewtiful Joe (Brawl for Broke Conference) (5-7) – 20 (46.51%)
F-Zero GX (Patriot Time Portals Conference) (7-5) – 23 (53.49%)
--Even with his VFX powers, Joe couldn't slow F-Zero down enough to get the win.

#25 Final Fantasy VII (Fanservice Conference) (10-2) – 36 (83.72%)
Gitaroo Man (Thousand-Year World of Sunshine Conference) (0-12) – 7 (16.28%)
--When FFVII gets the blowout of the day, that says a lot about the competition.

Mortal Kombat II (Patriot Time Portals Conference) (2-10) – 11 (24.44%)
#20 Final Fantasy VI (Twilight Barrel Galaxy Conference) (9-3) – 34 (75.56%)
--FFVI will gladly take a break from its grueling schedule for a freebie win against MK2.

Suikoden V (Patriot Time Portals Conference) (4-8) – 19 (46.34%)
Killer7 (Metroid Eater Conference) (5-7) – 22 (53.66%)
--Killer7 has won 4 out of its last 5 and is starting to turn its record around.

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Gears of War's RPI probably went down anyway!

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Argh, DKC2/Galaxy 2 one of the hardest votes I've had to make in the contest

Perhaps the best 2-D platformer vs. perhaps the best 3-D platformer

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I think Symphony of the Night should face its true rival in rivalry week, PW3. The weakest undefeated vs. the strongest very-defeated!

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I can set up RE4 vs. SOTN, sure!

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LeonhartFour posted...
Mother 3 (Sonic Overload Conference) (8-4) – 26 (63.41%)
MVP Baseball 2005 (Metroid Eater Conference) (0-12) – 15 (36.59%)
--No comment necessary at this point.

I know exactly how you feel but feed off of my optimism because justice will be served eventually

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RPI

1. Chrono Trigger (1)
2. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (2)
3. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (4)
4. Resident Evil 4 (5)
5. Super Mario 64 (3)
6. Final Fantasy IX (6)
7. Super Mario Bros. 3 (7)
8. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations (8)
9. Metal Gear Solid (9)
10. Super Metroid (10)
11. Super Mario Galaxy 2 (11)
12. Super Mario Galaxy (12)
13. Final Fantasy X (13)
14. Batman: Arkham Asylum (14)
15. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (15)
16. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (16)
17. Super Smash Bros. Melee (17)
18. Portal (20)
19. Super Mario World (18)
20. Final Fantasy VI (19)
21. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (21)
22. Mario Kart 64 (22)
23. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (24)
24. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (23)
25. Mega Man 2 (25)
Paper Mario (26)
Tales of Symphonia (29)
Sonic 3 & Knuckles (27)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (28)
Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (30)

159. Gears of War (163)

Nothing important. Portal boosts for beating Wind Waker. SM64 drops for facing Demon's Souls.

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Well, dang. Zelda:WW's record is pretty trashed now. It had excuses for its first three loss, but it's fourth loss today is its worst. Still, the Wind Waker defeated Metroid Prime, Majora's Mask, and Okami, so its overall resume is decent.... nothing convincing, of course.

Success:
I'm loving how RE4 > MGS3 has been firmly established now after arguing through (at least in the weekly voting) for many weeks. Maybe RE4 could end up in 3rd....or 2nd... I wouldn't mind seeing it end up #1.

Failure:
Ouch, Star Fox 64.... why did I ever rank it above #20? Yet, its loss to MMX actually felt expected before the match even took place. Say goodbye to FF6... THIS is the new wildcard of the season!

On to the RPI rankings... FFIX is ranked #6 in the RPI now. I suppose it moved up 2 spots because of MMX's victory. Well, dang. Something's gotta take FFIX down to earth. FFIX is becoming the new Galaxy 2 here. Oh, and I mentioned bringing FFX down to earth with a loss.... I meant a loss to a game that's below the top 10.

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You all won't be so high and mighty when MGS3 beats RE4 in the upcoming Rivalry Week!

But FFIX has a high RPI because it's beaten a lot of good (though not any great, no wins over a top 25 game) games. It only has two matches against games with a losing record, although it's got Halo 1 and GoldenEye the next two weeks, so that'll change.

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Portal shouldn't have dropped out of the top 25. its last two weeks have proven it's legit, even with a loss.

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Yeah, Wind Waker losing to Portal wasn't a bad loss. Portal got beaten handily by MGS1, sure, but MGS1 is proving it's a legitimately strong game week by week. I don't think this makes either game look bad. It makes them both look pretty solid, really.

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So Twilight Princess suffers a narrow loss to Final Fantasy VIII, but Wind Waker is only four votes away from upsetting...Portal. Looks like we know who's stronger now!

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Yep.

Twilight Princess is still the champ!

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The Real Truth posted...
RE4 what a great game.

You're probably angry that I voted for Galaxy there, but I definitely agree with this sentiment. I would've voted for RE4 over Mario 64 anyway.

Both RE4 and SMG are god-tier games for me.

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He probably has no idea what you voted for because nobody cares.

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LeonhartFour posted...
Yep.

Twilight Princess is still the champ!

OH COME ON!!!

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And I just realized:

Portal > Wind Waker > Majora's Mask > Metal Gear Solid > Portal

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oh my god...that makes no sense

Portal > Portal?????

Ulti, don't post that in here! You'll attract all your literally obsessed followers and this will 500 before the week is over!

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Blah blah blah blah

LMS's garbage is more welcome than that. Keep that out of here, please.

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It only took us 8 years to figure out that Wind Waker was the problem. You'd think Nintendo would have started feeling the effects by 2005-6, but that was when the DS and Wii took off as huge successes. Looks like Wind Waker, like Brawl after it, was a cancer that took deep root and did not bear dark fruit until long afterwards.

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If the dark fruit that was born long afterwards was Galaxy 1 & 2, I'll take it.

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We might as well blame Melee. Without Melee, there is no Brawl, and without Brawl, well......that would cure a host of evils, would it not?

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UltimaterializerX posted...
Wind Waker ruined Nintendo and should be 0-12 with no votes cast for it in any match. No game has ever submarined an entire company faster than Wind Waker destroyed Nintendo.

Thank GOD Portal won that match. Good, innovative, charming gaming should always triumph over awful garbage.

How could the only top tier Zelda game aside from A Link to the Past destroy Nintendo? Although then again I'm not such a huge fan of the N64 Zelda games so maybe I shouldn't be talking.

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Don't worry LMS, no one else understands Ulti's logic on this one either.

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red sox 777 posted...
It only took us 8 years to figure out that Wind Waker was the problem. You'd think Nintendo would have started feeling the effects by 2005-6, but that was when the DS and Wii took off as huge successes. Looks like Wind Waker, like Brawl after it, was a cancer that took deep root and did not bear dark fruit until long afterwards.

No, Wind Waker was a new life for Nintendo if anything. It would be the best game in the series if it weren't for HEY YOU HAVE TO GRIND FOR HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY AS PART OF A FETCHQUEST at the end. And Brawl would be the best Smash game if it weren't so sluggish.

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red sox 777 posted...
Don't worry LMS, no one else understands Ulti's logic on this one either.

This rises entirely out of Ulti's impossible expectations for the franchise. According to him, the Zelda series was once the best in all of gaming, which can't possibly be true. You have two games released in 1987/8, a dormancy period until 1992/3 which again only saw two games, and then 1998, which sees a remake of a 1993 game and, oh, OCARINA OF TIME. Then we wait until 2000:

2000 - new N64 game
2001 - new GBC game (shut up I count the Oracles as one game)
2002 - remake that ships with multiplayer-only quest
2003 - yeah

I don't see anything here that suggests "best franchise ever".

And last time I played through The Wind Waker I DID go in expecting overrated trash.

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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2455

Best series ever? You bet.

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Lol GameFAQs. And that took place AFTER Wind Waker anyway.

With Smash Bros. and 3D Zelda, I don't at all understand how someone could say that one entry in any of those DESTROYS the other entries considering how they all play similarly to each other (well, only within their respective franchises).

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Link's Awakening is the only top-tier Zelda game anyway so your argument is already flawed from the beginning!

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